Not going to deal with quotes while on my phone, so quick points:
1. The implication that Cleric Stance was created just for solo play is unsupportable. Even if it weren't...that was then; this is now. Original intention dating back 2+ years is irrelevant.
2. That dev commentary on how DPS minimums are calculated for end-game raids needs not to be trotted out for the purpose of poo-pooing CS as a legitimate tool in party play; it's a complete misrepresentation of the article.
3. Once again, DPS provided by other roles has very little to do with healer DPS expectation. Healers are only "making up" for a party's lacking of DPS when in raids where the group is progressing while under the expected minimum ilvl. In every other way they are simply doing their jobs by attacking when heals aren't needed. If they're really good, they time their heals and buffs correctly to maximize DPS uptime.
Should Cleric Stance be disabled in party instances?
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12-12-2016, 10:54 PMCynfael
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12-13-2016, 12:21 AMWarkupo
Just get rid of Cleric Stance and have the damage scale off MND. I don't feel like it adds much to gameplay, it's just small learning curve to get over that occasionally kills newer parties.
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12-13-2016, 02:51 AMRenniesI would love for them to do this, at least then lazy people wouldn't have the "Cleric Stance is too risky I can't tell when it's safe to press the button!!11" excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warkupo
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12-13-2016, 03:08 AMCleftobismal
They need to overhaul how the dps skills work in PvP if things were to scale off of mind. Healers are still stupidly op in it despite cleric stance being disabled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxvhaK_ElTU
Keep in mind that we will lose the damage boost we gain from cleric stance. Which in itself can make the classes feel a little underwhelming in damage when we actually do solo. (Quest instances)
There are ways of course to get around this, as some solo instances has us keep healing the NPC's to defeat the content.
At the same time we have a skill quest like SCH where its' required for you to DPS and remove status affliction + maintaining the HP's of the npc.
Just something to think about because the damage boost is there for a reason. -
12-13-2016, 04:00 AMRennies
If the damage boost loss is too significant they could simply increase the total potency of every damage spell by 10%.
For PvP they could probably just reduce the potencies by 90% and it'd be effectively the same as it is now. -
12-13-2016, 04:05 AMCleftobismalI'd think they'd have to change how MID scales with potency. Which will effect heals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rennies
As far as PvP goes, there is a stat that determines how much player damage you do and take. I'm sure they could think of something.
Removing Cleric stance all together seems like a good idea. But is it really..? -
12-13-2016, 04:23 AMRennies
Cleric Stance purely exists as a tool to punish players for not knowing a fight, so I wouldn't care if it got replaced with something fun.
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12-13-2016, 05:27 AMCorvinusV
A good healer in CS will not be out damaging a good DPS in any circumstance, if that healer is still performing their main role. Of coarse a good healer will be able to keep up with a bad DPS in damage, but the same is true for good tanks that are stance dancing as well.
You can't compare a bad DPS to a good healer anyway. You'd have to compare them as if they both playing optimally, in which case I think it works great as is across the triad. Nothing wrong with CS in my opinion. -
12-13-2016, 05:43 AMCleftobismal
There are cases where a healer can out dps a tank in defense stance. But typically its slightly under the Tanks DPS. Despite this, I find it dumb that they would ask a healer to dps more than a tank.
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12-13-2016, 05:43 AMMaikoRaines^Quote:
Originally Posted by Taika
Pretty much ^