Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

People shouldn't hang on to every word Yoshi-P says. SE has had to retract some of their features and statements.

And until we have a post 1.19 response, we can post all we like about what was said in a translation or a producer letter.

@Travesty, I don't think we'll be able to convince the other party what you and I see. If it's not affecting them negatively or they do not acknowledge that it is affecting them, it is unlikely they will change their stance.

edit: Wow things have changed since I started typing this.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Wow, you really need to read what I've been saying. I'm not complaining strictly about people powerleveling low levels lol. I've actually cited someone going from 35-44 in 2 hours as an example of the problem.

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Yeah I might not be up to date on the 300 posts in this thread. People have also reported 200K exp per hour in parties, I didn't do the exact math but (http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Skill_Points) it looks like they would be able to get from 35 through half of 39 in an hour. So... that's pretty darn close to PL, what difference does it make

Travesty I would like you to create a level 1 character / class and have someone PL you to 50 and you tell us how long it takes.

As much as i accept the idea of PLeveling, i think it still should take some time, although i also accept 1-50 in a couple of days / hours. Im not sure if lvling as fast as people have been reporting is working as intended or not as it does seem rather quickly. How about making plvl only possible on characters that have had a class reach cap. I do remember yoshi-p saying that if the claiming system does completely break the game then they will change it. But after reading this thread it seems that the claiming system isnt the issue since lvl 50 actually join your party. Plvling in this manner is rather stupid because the 50 can initiate the 1st attack thus getting hate and being able to kill any lvl mob for the rest of the party. Instead of having the lower level player tag 1st and having the 50 kill it afterwards out of the party.

How are the 2 methods different? In the 2nd method the low lvl player takes a risk of tagging higher lvl mobs that can 1-2 shot him if the plvl doesnt respond fast enough.

But both methods shouldent be a problem if a cap is in place, i my self have not tested plvl yet. Can somone tell me if there is a difference in xp for both methods?

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Originally Posted by Mindx3

As much as i accept the idea of PLeveling, i think it still should take some time, although i also accept 1-50 in a couple of days / hours. Im not sure if lvling as fast as people have been reporting is working as intended or not as it does seem rather quickly. How about making plvl only possible on characters that have had a class reach cap. I do remember yoshi-p saying that if the claiming system does completely break the game then they will change it. But after reading this thread it seems that the claiming system isnt the issue since lvl 50 actually join your party. Plvling in this manner is rather stupid because the 50 can initiate the 1st attack thus getting hate and being able to kill any lvl mob for the rest of the party. Instead of having the lower level player tag 1st and having the 50 kill it afterwards.

How are the 2 methods different? In the 2nd method the low lvl player takes a risk of tagging higher lvl mobs that can 1-2 shot him if the plvl doesnt respond fast enough.

But both methods shouldent be a problem if a cap is in place, i my self have not tested plvl yet. Can somone tell me if there is a difference in xp for both methods?

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Unless I'm misunderstanding you there is no true difference. If a level 1 attacks something first, then a 50 comes to own it.. the 50 is still going to grab hate. The only problem I guess would be that if its a level 1 vs. a level 39 mob then the level 1 is going to get steam rolled in one shot. However there are methods around this as well (pull with ranged item + stoneskin, and the 50 taunts.. etc.). I guess having the level 1 hit the mob would also prevent him from going AFK /follow the r50 who is owning everything.

The game has been out for a year, who cares if people get to max level in a week or 3 days, 2 days. There is still 7 classes in the game. They would have to invest time to do the storyline, class quests, GC quests, gear up, farm money, etc... it's not like they are going to come in and hit R50 and being at the same "level" as you in a day.

Im sorry i ninja edit my post, 2nd method the plvl is not within the party, and i agree with everything u said

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Originally Posted by Issac

Put some actual effort into reading before slinging insults like that.

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Put effort into reading your mindless post before I sling insults? I didn't sling insults I just said don't be a hypocrite. Testing the theory my ass. You probably out there right now grinding away and on the of chance you aren't, well good for you bud. YoshiP intended for it to be that way, though I did agree to some sense and think they should reduce SP gain overall.

Honestly, I doubt the system will stay this way I think it is to just rope people into playing the game til PS3 launches. Then it will most likely be nerfed hard core and be more reasonable. The quick leveling is a big incentive for new people to play and not get bored after logging on and not being able to do anything with his friends because they are all rank 50 all classes above 30 etc. Give the PC players a nice treat and a reason for new players to want to join a game that was dying on its knees. As I said it will probably get fixed down the road so just hang tight and enjoy it while you have it and not complain because of an assumption.

I can't believe people are actually defending this System Exploit. Why would you play a game that no longer requires you to do anything? Do you honestly feel like you accomplished something when you get PLed 6 levels in an hour?

I am ashamed to admit that WoW is no longer the easiest MMO on the market. FFXIV has taken the Crown and assassinated the other contestants. This isn't even a game any more.

Someone made the point that it has become push button receive xp, but sadly enough you don't even have to push the button after this patch.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

I can't believe people are actually defending this System Exploit. ...
Someone made the point that it has become push button receive xp, but sadly enough you don't even have to push the button after this patch.

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I logged in and I was already rank 50.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

I can't believe people are actually defending this System Exploit. Why would you play a game that no longer requires you to do anything? Do you honestly feel like you accomplished something when you get PLed 6 levels in an hour?

I am ashamed to admit that WoW is no longer the easiest MMO on the market. FFXIV has taken the Crown and assassinated the other contestants. This isn't even a game any more.

Someone made the point that it has become push button receive xp, but sadly enough you don't even have to push the button after this patch.

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Eh... last time I looked at this thread it had under 100 post... Not its almost 300. Bleh.

Sure. Its a "system exploit" but the problems caused by it are distinctly personal. You don't have to power level, and if you choose to, you have no right to complain about any problems it causes you (becoming bored, etc).

The issue isn't that people can power level, its that everyone thinks it effects them when really you decide whether or not it even matters to you. If you don't want to power level, don't do it -- The only really issue is that there are going to be people who do it then complain about it like someone forced them to -- its a social issue, not a game mechanics issue.

Its a problem, if you want to call it one, because of what people will do it with, not because it is inherently wrong or bad. I have a lack of opinion, frankly. If people want to power level, I don't care if they do. If someone doesn't want to, then whatever. I just don't want to hear someone who does complain about the game lacking content when they are uses an unintended acceleration of the game's natural pace.

I talk about my view point and opinion of the whole thing in my most recent blog post: http://violentdjango.tumblr.com/post...-stairs-gaming