JP Community of this game

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Being a foreigner in Japan for almost 4 years now I can assure you it is not a myth unfortunately
And on the other side, if you could read Japanese, you would see that on the Japanese boards they are having the same discussion
most of the post in the topic are about players wishing they could speak english more to play with other players

and important language for academia in Japan? let me laugh! I have Japanese english teachers asking me for advice... and english is not even my first language...
even in my company, my direct boss from the "international team" does not speak english

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I wrote " (...) most important international language for both business and academia", at which point did I state that is the most important language for academia in Japan?

It's pretty much about the culture. The western side of the world has become one spoiled bunch of kids tbh.
Something went wrong? -> Never my fault, I AM LEET, let's blame someone else!

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Being more polite and less screaming, raging and blaming others for mistakes they make or mistake a person made themselve may help improve the community

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Sometimes being helpful can be seen negatively, it's all on the perspective of the individual.
You could try to help those who you think are making mistakes, but they could find it offensive because you are intruding on their inner sanctum of self-confidence. You could call those people arrogant but they think you're the same. In the end, people stopped caring instead they all think for themselves.
This could be one of the reason what makes this community so vile.

I'm with you OP. It was no hard decision to chose a JP server to transfer to before phase 4. The the first parties for titan all the way up to the one we finally killed it with did not rage at deaths nor point blame. If anyone was doing anything wrong, they just pointed it out. Helped me figure out titans pattern too, and got me using sacred soil at the last phase. We killed it and everyone told me good job on the sacred soils. Fun times, no harsh times.

Was the same for duty finder dungeons and fights, but of course titan fights always failed for DF :P

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Originally Posted by Theref

Awesome post

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Hey please check out a post I made specifically about this subject from my perspective and let me know what you think. I totally agree with you on this.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ican-Strangers

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Originally Posted by Norister

Japanese folks are polite and calm in nature. The rest of the world is too flammable.

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Disciplined would be a better word for it. They can be polite and calm as well, they just happened to be far more disciplined than many other countries.

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Originally Posted by Evilized

My weeaboo alarm started sounding the second I clicked this thread.

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these threads that overly generalize JP/NA cultures flaws and strengths are totally nonsensical.


not every american, NA/EU is a jerkass with a temper tantrum


not is a every JP person is a super polite never be rude saint. this is really what wrong with the world today, people making idiotic generalization based on stereotypes and apply said type to everyone.

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Originally Posted by astrobear

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these threads that overly generalize JP/NA cultures flaws and strengths are totally nonsensical.


not every american, NA/EU is a jerkass with a temper tantrum


not is a every JP person is a super polite never be rude saint. this is really what wrong with the world today, people making idiotic generalization based on stereotypes and apply said type to everyone.

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I was a fake JP back in the XI days. I had a JP search comment macroed, when I joined a party, I /p'ed Yoroshiku, and stayed silent after that.

Why did I do this? It's true that not all NA players are idiots and not all JP players are godlike. However, there's something called a "trend" that I noticed among NA players. That trend was that NAs tended towards idiocy, selfishness, individual "me me me"ism and all around mediocrity, and JPs tended toward collectivism, efficiency, and teamwork to actually get stuff done. This translated into a higher XP/hour rate. In all my years of partying, I blacklisted one JP and many many MANY NAs for playing like idiots.

If were sharing experience's with JP players let me share mine:

Standing around shouting for a group, my answer after over an hour?
.................................................................Nothing.

Standing around asking for help, my answer after an hour and a half?
.................................................................Nothing.

From my experience on my JP server, seems like when you want to group or need help a whole lot of nothing happens and you're simply on your own.
It's why I've been stuck using the DF for 2 weeks now for Titan HM, cause no matter how you shout or when you shout nothing happens.

I've even had a DF group quit on me stating they didnt want to play with me because I'm American.

My experiences so far. The server was better in 1.0 when it was Eng/JP mixed. At least then everyone didn't seem to feel that their servers were meant for only one spoken language.

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Originally Posted by astrobear

INDEED

these threads that overly generalize JP/NA cultures flaws and strengths are totally nonsensical.


not every american, NA/EU is a jerkass with a temper tantrum


not is a every JP person is a super polite never be rude saint. this is really what wrong with the world today, people making idiotic generalization based on stereotypes and apply said type to everyone.

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because it's based on our own experience?
if you had 100x DF runs with NA and 100x runs with JP, you'll understand the differences

of course it's not for everyone, no one is saying that
but based on my own experience, i can say that JP community is better than NA

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Originally Posted by Orsnoire

....And not once have I been booted or had a JP player leave due to me being "gaijin"
(BTW, you shouldn't be using that term. It's extremely offensive for those who actually understand what it means and its origin.)

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Gaijin is NOT offensive :-P I don't know about its historical origins but even so in modern day Japan this is not an offensive term and is often (I wanna say 80-90% of the time) coupled with -san as in "gaijin-san" so how can you interpret that has having any intention of being disrespectful?. When people talk about "gaijin" being offensive it's just over sensitive P.C. bull crap. I've been living here for 6 years and speak fluent Japanese. Gaijin is not as derogatory as most foreigners who know two words of Japanese seem to think.

Another thread making generalizations about everyone in the NA/EU while circle jerking saying the Japanese players are perfect in all ways...lovely love this community :D

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Originally Posted by GiseleValkyrie

Another thread making generalizations about everyone in the NA/EU while circle jerking saying the Japanese players are perfect in all ways...lovely love this community :D

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Please tell me which part of my original post on this thread that generalizing about everyone in the NA/EU
Please tell me which part of my original post on this thread saying that Japanese players are perfect in all ways

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Originally Posted by Theref

I by no mean have no intention to speak ill on our fellow english speaking players, be it NA/EU. I didn't say anything about Japanese being much better, JP > NA; JP > All; No. I posted this thread to share you my experience that I had during hours spent on this server (And that happen to be Japan server). That's it. http://i.imgur.com/riV5HG5.gif Love and Peace to everyone

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Originally Posted by Theref

Please tell me which part of my original post on this thread that generalizing about everyone in the NA/EU
Please tell me which part of my original post on this thread saying that Japanese players are perfect in all ways

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referring to all the other post. Pretty sure no one will say that they have alot more nice players sure but some of the post here are honestly just :/

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Originally Posted by GiseleValkyrie

referring to all the other post.

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Sadly but true, I don't know why my thread become this :( http://puu.sh/3c70i.png

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Originally Posted by Evilized

My weeaboo alarm started sounding the second I clicked this thread.

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that word gets used a little too much

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Originally Posted by Theref

Sadly but true, I don't know why my thread become this :( http://puu.sh/3c70i.png

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I'm not blaming you :/

I don't think our community is so bad (referring to the NA community) compared to other gaming communities. There's a schism between what people in the forum are describing and what's actually happening ingame.

My experience right now 1-50 is that it's not all the doom and gloom some people want to make it out to be. But yes there are definitely more bad apples at 50 than there were when I was leveling. What we can do however, which is within our full power as a community is, lead by example, I greet my fellow party members whenever we go in and thank them when we are done. Now if I can influence even 1 or 2 people to do the same, and they in turn can influence a few then it will lead to a positive behavior that will spread.

This is something easy that all of us can do.

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Originally Posted by Fuddy

Gaijin is NOT offensive :-P I don't know about its historical origins but even so in modern day Japan this is not an offensive term and is often (I wanna say 80-90% of the time) coupled with -san as in "gaijin-san" so how can you interpret that has having any intention of being disrespectful?. When people talk about "gaijin" being offensive it's just over sensitive P.C. bull crap. I've been living here for 6 years and speak fluent Japanese. Gaijin is not as derogatory as most foreigners who know two words of Japanese seem to think.

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You're the first person I've met who lived in Japan and doesn't acknowledge that Gaijin is often perjorative.

It's disrespectful in the same way that "Wetbacks" "Chinks" or "Beaners" is offensive. Just because you don't acknowledge the fact doesn't make it any less true.

Hurray for more NA bashing. I don't mind partying with anyone but seriously I've run in to just as many bad English speaking players as I have bad Japanese speaking players. The only difference is I can actually talk to the bad English speaking where as I end up pulling my hair out trying to explain something to Japanese with auto translate. Then you have those truly magical horrible players who don't speak at all. They act as if they're not being addressed and never make an attempt to try to communicate.

Granted I always do see the Japanese saying things such as the OP mentioned. I just usually do the standard Hello! Nice to meet you. Because it's rude not to say anything when someone is being polite and that is what I'm limited to with the current options.

On the other hand I see plenty of English speaking players who say hello albeit in different terms but it's not nearly as bad as all the complainers on this forum would have you believe. If we fail a dungeon or for example we failed Garuda last night repeatedly. The DD's simply could not get her down fast enough and failed to do a limit break the one time we would have won it. Sure I was frustrated. However I was not rude and wished them well on future attempts. No one rage quit. No one bashed anyone.

The Japanese we tried to do it with however did just about as well. Probably would have won if the black mage would've followed suit and dps'd the adds. After trying to explain it the best we could countless times we gave up. It just wasn't helping. Nothing changed and we kept wiping while trying to hide behind the stones in that final stage. I did leave rather abruptly without saying anything. In retrospect I probably should not have because that's not how I normally do things but at the same time I feel that the Japanese player who did know the fight should have been doing more to explain it the other what they were doing wrong. I didn't feel that they were incapable but the lack of communication in this game seriously hindered that fight. I basically left over frustration. Not anger.

I enjoy playing with Japanese players and I appreciate their manners. I remember running parties with them many times on XI and having very good parties. I remember a lot of the same from the English side as well. It just depends on your luck which you get. Not on the culture. In XI though, you knew who was good and who was not. That was the beauty of finding parties on your server only. No one does this any more unless you're part of a FC or get a decent pick up group through shout.

I will be moving From Masamune to a non Legacy NA server soon but in the future hopefully they will implement a wider range of communication options with Japanese players. Then I might not feel so inclined to queue for English only.

I do agree with many on one point. It's not ALL NA players being rude or refusing to work together as a team. They come in all shapes and sizes and the bashing of NA/EU players on the forums really needs to stop. Sowing further dissent and driving a wedge between the community is not the way to handle it.