SCH... are we used?

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Originally Posted by mxzrk

actually no it's not at all. If the scholar can't keep the tank up, it's probably the tank. And no, in a group people work together to keep the team up. So when you have a thought, let it go.

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1: You clearly just said you would never micro manage the fairy, which is what keeps a SCH from being a gimp WHM
2: You're not 50, and your experience goes as far as brayflox's longstop, a 4 man level 32-34 duty, which is easy as hell, especially for a SCH.

You really have no position to talk about anything, much less say that I don't know what I'm talking about.

It really doesn't matter if i'm 50. I was mentioning brayflox for the fact that it was mentioned in earlier posts. You say I don't know what i'm talking about, I don't need to be 50 to know. I've had enough experiences in different games with team combat. You say I don't have any position to talk about anything? What gives you the right to criticize me? And you've made it apparent that you don't know what you're talking about, you may micro manage your fairy, but I never have had to. I don't think not micro-managing Eos makes a scholar a gimp. Maybe it's just your skill, hell I don't know. There are to many aspects to consider. All I was saying is that I don't have to.

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Originally Posted by mxzrk

What gives you the right to criticize me?

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This part right here.

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I don't think not micro-managing Eos makes a scholar a gimp. Maybe it's just your skill, hell I don't know. There are to many aspects to consider. All I was saying is that I don't have to.

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and here

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I don't need to be 50 to know. I've had enough experiences in different games with team combat. You say I don't have any position to talk about anything?

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and can't forget this

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I have never micro-managed Eos, nor would I ever.

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But yeah, funny stuff.

glad I could humor you! =D

=O think I made someone angry =P

Fairies contain 4 of your spells each, esp. the white one. Until fairy UI and AI are fixed (for god know when given SE's history), at the very lest you should be able to move it to a good place on the field and manually embrace a target (or the tank) when needed, or else all you are left at 50 is a puny shield/heal AoE, cure 1 & improved cure 2 and a huge mana bar which you dont know what to do with.

You aint making anyone angry. At beast, you made people amused with your idiocy.

What a very mean community. Guess it is easy to insult someone on a computer. Oh well, thank goodness I chose the server i'm on.

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Originally Posted by mxzrk

What a very mean community. Guess it is easy to insult someone on a computer. Oh well, thank goodness I chose the server i'm on.

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If you consider my post insulting you, why didnt you think twice before posting #82?

In no game I ever played I needed not to micromanage my pets/units to maximize a summoner-type character's potential. This game is no difference, esp. when all fairy spells are on long-ass CD and, from the look of it, supposed to make up for your character's limitation (such as no reliable AoE heal). The very first thing I tinkered with fairies were trying to put them on total manual ... and how utter disappointed I was T_T

Its pet placement/management that seperates the Bad SCH's from the good.

4 mans? I can cleric stance and DoT up trash while fairy heals.

Boss fights? I can position Eos, use Rouse and activate Whispering Dawn when I want it so everyone in grp recievies Regen. (Demon Wall in AK when Bees spawn helps)

When the group has 4 physical DPS, I can position Selene and use Fey Light and not have her override it with Fey Glow as soon as its cast.

If you dont manage your fairy, you'll never reach your potential.

If i only could find a way to macro my Fairy skills.

God this thread is funny.

People actually think micromanaging that slow fairy separates good scholars from bad? Laughable. All you need to do is be aware of what your fairy does and fill in the gaps. Yeah, you can get minor efficiencies by placing your fairy - but that's all they are, minor.

The difference between a WHM and SCH is pretty simple. A WHM reacts to a battle, a SCH manages it. That means the SCH has to be thinking ahead whereas the WHM needs to know how to react to things. Their difference in throughput requires that difference in playstyle.

As for people that don't think SCH are used on Titan HM or anything...well, you are wrong.

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Just to add a bit, I have done Titan HM and I did save a healer (who gets major props, it was very well played) who had resurrection sickness during phase changes. So please, enough with the SCH bashing. We are fine.

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Originally Posted by Terius

4 mans? I can cleric stance and DoT up trash while fairy heals.
Boss fights? I can position Eos, use Rouse and activate Whispering Dawn when I want it so everyone in grp recievies Regen. (Demon Wall in AK when Bees spawn helps)
When the group has 4 physical DPS, I can position Selene and use Fey Light and not have her override it with Fey Glow as soon as its cast.
If you dont manage your fairy, you'll never reach your potential.

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I agree with most of what you said, but would you mind explaining me how you keep your faery under such control? Because whenever I make her cast something, she goes to full auto again and blows all her other cooldowns immediately. Maybe I'm missing something or doing something wrong?
Just having control over Rouse+Whispering Dawn, like you said, when I need it would be a godsend.

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Originally Posted by Vhayne

I agree with most of what you said, but would you mind explaining me how you keep your faery under such control? Because whenever I make her cast something, she goes to full auto again and blows all her other cooldowns immediately. Maybe I'm missing something or doing something wrong?
Just having control over Rouse+Whispering Dawn, like you said, when I need it would be a godsend.

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Target a mob and use 'Obey' which will make Selene only use Embrace, full control over the Haste buffs. Obey for Eos will make her use Embace & Whispering Dawn but not her other skills, so you want to put Eos in 'steady' mode so she does not spam anything, however you have to put Steady back on when you tell her to use Whispering Dawn (Wait for her to cast it first or you'll cancel it and lose it) but you have 1min to put it back on so no worries really.

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Originally Posted by Terius

Target a mob and use 'Obey' which will make Selene only use Embrace, full control over the Haste buffs. Obey for Eos will make her use Embace & Whispering Dawn but not her other skills, so you want to put Eos in 'steady' mode so she does not spam anything, however you have to put Steady back on when you tell her to use Whispering Dawn (Wait for her to cast it first or you'll cancel it and lose it) but you have 1min to put it back on so no worries really.

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So basically, at the start of a dungeon for example, I put Eos in 'steady' and she'll only cast Embrace as usual, but no other skills? Then, once I've manually ordered her to use Whispering Dawn, I have to put her back on 'steady' untill I need Whispering Dawn again? Gonna try that next time. If it works like that, you have my utmost gratitude, because basically that's the only real issue I've been having. Having to put her back on 'steady' every time is slightly inconvenient, but quite doable.
If I could macro it, that'd be perfect, but I suppose this would be the next best thing. Succor + Whispering Dawn would pretty much solve all my AoE needs. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

People actually think micromanaging that slow fairy separates good scholars from bad? Laughable. All you need to do is be aware of what your fairy does and fill in the gaps. Yeah, you can get minor efficiencies by placing your fairy - but that's all they are, minor.

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Having the fairy use time to move herself into range before casting embrace compared to being placed where she doesn't need to move at all doesn't feel minor. Having people who need fey illumination, whispering dawn, and fey covenant miss out on it because the fairy is following me doesn't feel minor either. If Eos is going to blow her cooldowns, it should at least be on the right people.

You think it's minor, I think that's a matter of why not make the best of your tools. To me, if you're not trying your best with what little that works, you're not good. Matter of perspective I guess.

CELSIUS!!!!... on another note if you micro eos you pretty much heal for 1500 a every cast as well as improved virus or getting eye for an eye up to reduce aoe dmg combined with sacred soil. Trust me were amazing :p

CONNA! Hey :D and yeah i asked this awhile before i knew what we were capable of.. still wish i had medica though

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

God this thread is funny.

People actually think micromanaging that slow fairy separates good scholars from bad? Laughable. All you need to do is be aware of what your fairy does and fill in the gaps. Yeah, you can get minor efficiencies by placing your fairy - but that's all they are, minor.

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It does. Think of all the CDs the fairy holds, you actually think it does not make any difference micromanaging it? Even manual embrace a target counts as micromanaging already.

You prolly getso used to being unable to control it to tell it otherwise, partly because of the skewed pet UI.