Are Monks weakest DPS?

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Originally Posted by Subucnimorning

It's not just you , mine will randomly fall off very early (3-4 seconds after its applied) doesn't always happen. No clue what causes it, if I use it soloing it can do it as well so it isn't some other debug overwriting it.

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Phew! I thought it was just for ONE attack or something. Glad to know, I will work on a rotation to definitely add that in.

Do we also have the shortest cooldowns?

Dragon Kick always applies its debuff while in perfect balance.

Arm of Destroyer will always apply Silence in Perfect balance

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Originally Posted by Apoc1216

Phew! I thought it was just for ONE attack or something. Glad to know, I will work on a rotation to definitely add that in.

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Err I meant it isn't some debuff overwriting. I hate my iPhone :p

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Originally Posted by Subucnimorning

Err I meant it isn't some debuff overwriting. I hate my iPhone :p

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Oh it's fine I know what ya meant :P

In fights where there is a lot of dodging and movement required like Ultima weapon, monks do a lot better than BLM for example, since BLM has to interrupt his castings all the time to dodge.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and apologies if it's already been mentioned, i only really read the first 2 pages and skimmed the third), but couldn't a monk easily activate fists of wind to chase down moving monsters and keep the GL up? I've noticed that using skills while moving (while not showing most of the animation) still connect as long as you're in range, so a running battle seems plausible.

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Originally Posted by LuhnahGray

Correct me if I'm wrong (and apologies if it's already been mentioned, i only really read the first 2 pages and skimmed the third), but couldn't a monk easily activate fists of wind to chase down moving monsters and keep the GL up? I've noticed that using skills while moving (while not showing most of the animation) still connect as long as you're in range, so a running battle seems plausible.

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FoW enables you to not get as many "skill interrupts" yes it happens a lot to mnks since they have no range. You would start a skill then it cancels, because all calculations are applied "after" the animation.

But it won't help as much in running out of aoes. the dash is too long CD, and unlike drgs that can do it all, you have a time limit.

But half the time it's because most mnks are too l33t and do stupidly long rotations that will kill their grease at the first lag. A simple 1-2-3 combination will be enough to sustain grease for about 50-80% of the non-target change encounters. Sure it cuts down on damage, but grease is crazy important because right after aoe you're safe for a rotation or 2.

Seeing all those crazy mnk rotations on the board makes me wonder what kind of advice it's telegraphing to the start-up mnks...

Guys, it's impossible to have a perfect balanced game, and of course, why would all DPS roles do same DPS ?

ALSO, please, keep in mind that Square Enix will do make some changes... on some jobs, with time. Last thing you want is leveling a job only because you think it's OP, and once you reach 50, it gets nerfed !

Lastly, it's also how you play the job. Have fun out there... I'm just sick to hear the eternal debate of wich DPS is better.

Some are specialised in Single target, others in AoE, some bring nice buffs.

FF14 gives you the opportunity to design a complex and almost unique DPS job.. build it as you feel it's right, love your creation, have fun and stop QQ about how weak you or others think you are.

My last advice is : play something you like, not something you think it's OP or popular. You need to be confortable about how you play your job, that's how you actually play that job good, and that's how you optimise your DPS role.

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Originally Posted by Kasrai

Because post-TBC WoW is release right? Looks like I'm done here.

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Every expansion is a release of new content. I'm not going to argue semantics, but it seems you want to in an attempt to invalidate my example and prove to yourself that you were right. Blizzard has consistently underestimated the time it would take to clear new endgame content after TBC. It's newly released content. Just because it's an expansion doesn't mean shit. People clear it in under 48 hours.

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Lol Dragoon are squishier then monks, while they have the lower dps.

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Funny, didn't find anyone yet with my current lvl of gear in pug able to deal as much dps as I could, simply because most of monks aren't managin to keep up their 36% dps buff all the time + dots and the rest.

If anything dragoon is amazing on sustained dps and it goes ridiculously high when crit is involved. Gotta love Chaos Trust. Otherwise this is how its workin atm :

-> Monks and Dragoons for sustained single target dps, dragoon have crappy aoe but it help
-> Black Mage and Bard for bursty encounters, this is where it get crazy
-> All the rest for your normal dps. Altho I'd say that Scholar is kinda crazy if your targets are properly debuffed non stop

While the nuances of effectiveness regarding each DPS class/job may be mystified still, I believe we can conclude the answer to the question posed by the OP is a resounding no. Monks are not "the weakest DPS". Not by a long shot.

At this point, I can't say there is conclusive evidence to suggest any of the DPS jobs are particularly weak, but it is evident that MNK is a staple job for sustained single-target DPS.

Given that parsers have trouble picking up actual DoT damage, the best way to measure stationary DPS presently is through the use of the test dummies, by way of determining their HP values and timing their depletion.

How the heck are you people saying Monks are worst?? Dragoon has aprox an average of 200-220 potency per attack. With a 2.5 second GCD... Monks (with optimal rotation) have an average of 176 on a 2.5 GCD. - Note that this is WITHOUT ANY damage buffs. - Basically while fully stacked up we have a 239.6 average potency on a 2.5 GCD. Then again.. i personally have 2.04 GCD.. yea.. With the repeated usage of OGCD Abilities.. yea.

Doing the math.
If all Dots and buffs are up. I come to exactly 330 potency per 2.5 seconds (-resistance debuff cause i don't know how i would calculate that)
Drg has 252 with all their dots and buffs. Of average potency per 2.5 seconds.

note: This is while EVERYTHING is going on. Like all Dots all buffs everything.
This is not 100% true but it's a rough calculation.

Now please if someone is still trying to say we are the weakest class. Please tell me a class that does 330 potency per 2.5 seconds.

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Originally Posted by CursedCoffee

Currently monks are the best dps in the game. The trick is to stop using demolish and touch of death. I'm not kidding. There are spread sheets out there, you can look it up for yourselves. But currently monks can parse for approximately 190-210 dps in level 45 AF gear. Other classes peak at about 170.
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Wait what? Can you please please provide a source or some more info? Is this still true? This is the only place I have ever heard of such a thing. I have heard that monk can be the best dps in longer fights, my friend is convinced that Black Mage is just the best dps at everything ever, which doesnt really make any sense. But I am trying to find more info on the best monk rotations etc.

Way to necro a dead thread.

Back then parsers didn't pick up DoTs very well, so the guy who recommended no Demolish or ToD was probably going off the faulty numbers parsers gave. There is no way Demolish or ToD shouldn't be used.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Way to necro a dead thread.

Back then parsers didn't pick up DoTs very well, so the guy who recommended no Demolish or ToD was probably going off the faulty numbers parsers gave. There is no way Demolish or ToD shouldn't be used.

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Not only that, demolish has since been buffed a lot to the point that it's now a MNK's strongest attack (when positioned correctly -- though possibly either way). I read two pages of this without realizing it was a necro bump and was thoroughly confused. In any case, your friend who thinks BLM has the best DPS ever might be basing that on solo play, in which case he's correct. BLM does nice damage solo or with a group, while MNK does terrible damage if the mob is facing them and incredible damage if they can position correctly and have no substantial downtime. The DPS figures stated are really out of date given gear upgrades and what not.

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Originally Posted by Salaster

There are 4 other dps classes :

Bard : Bard is topping dps with Black Mage, so monk is lower.

Black Mage : There is no way a Monk can outdamage a Black mage, even in single target, with equal gear.

Dragoon : Dragoon is easier to play, does more damage Single target and AoE than monk.

Summoner : Summoner have slightly better dps than Monks if your pet doesn't die.

Quick answer : Yes Monks are the lowest dps. A well played BLM will do 30 to 40% more dps than a well played Monk with equal gear.

Monks bring :



To be honest I would never take a Monk over any other classes in a perfect 8man group but in 24man raids, they could be actually very useful for chaining mantras.

tldr : Monks have the lowest dps, they bring utility but the difference between their dps and other's doesn't justify a spot in an optimized group.

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Says the lvl 37 mnk....

Fail Fail Fail! I must stop reading! OP LTP! MNK > Everything Single Target

Why is this thread still a thing?
It's so 2013....
People didn't know what they are talking about there is no need to argue whether dots are useless or not because we all know dots are amazing.

More people reading only page one and not looking at dates and quoting!!!

It is funny to read the first few pages and see how much perceptions and conventions have changed, along with actual game changes.

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Originally Posted by ilJumperMT

Sorry but it depends on fight. Fights that require little movement, Monk has the highest DPS by a landslide.

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This, there is no way on earth a bard is holding up DPS against a monk. . . . some people clearly don't understand numbers


And I clearly don't understand dates as this is WAAAYYYYYY old haha

Monk is the best single target dps ingame. period.

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Originally Posted by SmugGnat

Monk is the best single target dps ingame. period.

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Depends on content...though luckily most new contents favors mnk a lot better now.

Still though mnks still burn TP like no tomorrow, and their burst is only average. So it balances it out depending on content.

In a fight, in this case a brd will beat a mnk within the 1st minute of the fight and probably the 2nd minute of the fight, and if they are bursting adds...mnks are just bottom of the well if you consider all the dps.

It will take a good 4-5minutes before mnks pull ahead, but it tell nothing on how the fight is done (which mechanic is most important in xyz fight).

Mnks on the 1st minute even with PB is somewhere on average 250-300ish with mechanics added in, a brd is going at 500ish no problems in most fights. Then the position slowly reverses.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Mnks on the 1st minute even with PB is somewhere on average 250-300ish with mechanics added in, a brd is going at 500ish no problems in most fights. Then the position slowly reverses.

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With PB a monk can hit easily 350++ within the first minute 250-300 is actually bellow average.

Why hasn't this thread been buried back into the abyss that it crawled out of? I will never understand why someone would bump a thread that was created during the game's launch week.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

With PB a monk can hit easily 350++ within the first minute 250-300 is actually bellow average.

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Mechanics. Brds are more or less immune to mechanics.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Depends on content...though luckily most new contents favors mnk a lot better now.

Still though mnks still burn TP like no tomorrow, and their burst is only average. So it balances it out depending on content.

In a fight, in this case a brd will beat a mnk within the 1st minute of the fight and probably the 2nd minute of the fight, and if they are bursting adds...mnks are just bottom of the well if you consider all the dps.

It will take a good 4-5minutes before mnks pull ahead, but it tell nothing on how the fight is done (which mechanic is most important in xyz fight).

Mnks on the 1st minute even with PB is somewhere on average 250-300ish with mechanics added in, a brd is going at 500ish no problems in most fights. Then the position slowly reverses.

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Does not take 4-5 minutes from the beginning to catch up...at all.

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

Why hasn't this thread been buried back into the abyss that it crawled out of? I will never understand why someone would bump a thread that was created during the game's launch week.

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Because this forum has tons of people that are a) easily trolled and b.) full of highly entertaining nonsense.

Edit: not that I'd troll myself, tbh I have better things to do. But there's a reason there are several other forums with threads specifically dedicated to pointing out some of the ridiculousness that goes on here.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Depends on content...though luckily most new contents favors mnk a lot better now.

Still though mnks still burn TP like no tomorrow, and their burst is only average. So it balances it out depending on content.

In a fight, in this case a brd will beat a mnk within the 1st minute of the fight and probably the 2nd minute of the fight, and if they are bursting adds...mnks are just bottom of the well if you consider all the dps.

It will take a good 4-5minutes before mnks pull ahead, but it tell nothing on how the fight is done (which mechanic is most important in xyz fight).

Mnks on the 1st minute even with PB is somewhere on average 250-300ish with mechanics added in, a brd is going at 500ish no problems in most fights. Then the position slowly reverses.

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I can consistently burst in the high 400s with my PB opener at my current gear so whatever monks you are basing those #s off of are horrible.