New NMs and Class Specific Gear

Personally, I think all gear should have been rank restricted from the offset of the game. It's more than just working towards that specific gear you desire....but will make the game more challenging and rewarding to play in the end IMO.

Isn't that what mmorpg games are supposed to be like?

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Originally Posted by Benji

There's not much point in only doing that is there? That means that rank 50 gear is still wearable, whereas the rank 30 gear you just picked has a requirement of that rank. Still leaves players open to wear gear that probably has way better stats.

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The penalty on gear above your Rank is actually quite horrifying. I had a Hatchet until recently that was 9 Ranks below my current Rank, however if I equipped the shiny new one I had waiting for me upon reaching Rank 37/38 (a single Rank above me at the time, can't remember which) my ability to gather would drop by about 11 Points in each associated stat. It really does punish you for not following the recommended, and if you aren't one of the classes that should use it it punishes you even further.

Same with Bronze Haubergeon and such, I had a Rank 25 piece of Leather type armour which gave me around 30 more defense until I reached the recommended Rank for the Bronze stuff. Weapons as well - add to that the way that durability works now (if you are recommended Rank and Class, it degrades slower, if not, faster) then you really see that they want you to stick with what you should be using.

Basically the only thing it doesn't do is stop you wearing it outright. That doesn't mean I'm against gear with restrictions, I just don't think everything (particularly crafted stuff) should become restricted. Also, I hope that clears up some misunderstandings about the gear and the 'way better stats'.

*Edit* It strikes me as incredible just how little folk seem to notice things within the game - I guess that explains why I *do* see folk running around in Rank 40-50 gear at Rank 10 even when they would be better off in their underwear.

These all look like just resizes of regular mobs, maybe not even so, they could have at least changed their color ... but that aside, I hope they are soloable NMs. If so, I'm happy.

what are those unique gears? it's not an endgame rank gear

Aww man, I'm already scared to death at the size of Gnats in this game. The Prince of Pestilence NM will probably give me nightmares. @_@

Not sure why there's all the arguement about rank restrictions on gear. SE never mentioned anything about that in the link posted by the OP. It only mentioned class restriction which is completely different.

With regards to placing restrictions on gear, I do hope it's not all gear. I would like to see the information separated on the gear with one line saying "Optimized for classes" and another saying "Requires class". For example, a chain armour piece might show as follows:

: Requires- DoW.
: Optimized for- LNC, GLA, MRD.

IF there's going to be rank restrictions I'd much prefer it to be shown as follows:

: Requires minumum rank- 20
: Optimal at rank- 30

This way we can have gear as it is now, and future gear in a similar equip style, while still having gear which can be class specific. It also allows rank restrictions to be placed if required while still having an optimal rank for the gear. In the above example with the minumum rank 10 rank below optimal it still allows people to grow into gear instead of always growing out of the gear. With gear currently in the game just give it 'Requires- Any' and 'Required minimum rank- 1'. Everyone is happy?


20 new NM's? That's a nice touch. It's always fun to run into an NM when you're out and about. I was really only expecting 3 or 4 new ones. I hope the patch notes tells us what ranks the NM's are before the patch goes live. It would suck to get a group of 50's together to go hunt an NM only to find out it's meant for groups around R30. If I don't die at the first attempt at each one I'll be rather disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Japanese are reared on pervy anime, what do you expect :P

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Urge to go into detail about the many Western generations rising.

There's nothing wrong with a unisex design, but in most fantasies and even in real life, women tend to have a clearly distinct appearance.

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Originally Posted by Gun_Anam

Not sure why there's all the arguement about rank restrictions on gear.

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They mention a very long time ago gear will be restricted by rank as well in forthcoming updates to create goals for players. Class restrictions is the first step.

I was wandering... do you think every rank 50 will be able to solo low ranked NM and still get the drop? or there are gonna be some restrictions so that we'll have to fight them with a party of the proper rank?

LOVE IT! Low level NMs, low level gear! Just like FFXI ^-^ They aren't going to make this a rush to level50 ASAP game to actually play the game, YAY YAY YAY!

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

LOVE IT! Low level NMs, low level gear! Just like FFXI ^-^ They aren't going to make this a rush to level50 ASAP game to actually play the game, YAY YAY YAY!

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Yep, lol. This patch is generating hype among my mid-level RL friends! Hope I can nab that neat CON staff before not too long ^^;

You guys forgetting one of the most FAVORABLE, ADORABLE monster...


[SIZE="5"]TORNBERRY!!!![/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

You guys forgetting one of the most FAVORABLE, ADORABLE monster...


[SIZE="5"]TORNBERRY!!!![/SIZE]

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Actually, it's Tonberry.

BUT YEAH! WE WANT THEM! AND MANDRAGORAS! BIG EVIL MANDRAGORAS

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Originally Posted by Amage

They should Lock all gear to what Jobs can wear its dumb i wanna be DD and i have crafting stats on my clothes
they should add more then 20 NMs they need to add 21 NMs and 1 nm being like Serket Roc Cactrot Rapido and make it so not pt of 8 can kill but a group of 18 not this limited causal game play ohh and yeah 21-24hr spawn timers

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Learn to punctuate lol.

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Originally Posted by wolfwing

Heh isn't that how most games do it that have NM like things? You get better gear from them, look at the ninja boots that were still usable by high level ninjas from the rabbit outside starter town.

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IMO all the NM and Unique gear should be better than gear of the same rank. I hope they start with that trend soon.

Since I don't think anyone has brought it up (I didn't see it at least), Dex on a conjurer weapon.
Because that makes total and complete sense w

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Originally Posted by Amage

OK Here i go

What i was saying is that Gear shouldnt be used by every Job on FFXIV If im a GLA and change jobs I dont want my armor to be worn by THM or CON I want gear to say at the bottom Lv. 30 THM/CON/SMN etc you can get where im going with this

OK Well the NM thing was something that to me gonna be failure gonna be the same Abyssea Trash they put out on FFXI
Where NM pops every 10-30min to make the Non-Hardcore wow lovers happy . I want to see NM's with the old feel that when you kill them and camp against a rival LS you feel Good/Great Because You beat them to Claim or Got a drop they didn't get. Bring Challenge to the game Not this "CoD/WoW generation of A.D.D. i got to have it now i dont want to work hard for it mentality " That All video games are taking . I played FFXI because it was a Game where the skilled played not people who get turned on by cartoony graphics Solo everything type game

Look at Rift better graphics but a carbon copy of WoW
Socom 4 Pritty much a crapy Call of Duty game
I think the only game that decided to go to its roots was Mortal Kombat why? to please their fans

Ok your goning to say a game needs to evolve . This is true but Evolving doesn't mean lose all your fundamentals


Im tired and i will post smarter post tomorrow but for now i hope you get it


Ohh 1 last thing
REALLY your name is Sonic_the_Hedgehog So to Much

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Just so you know. It is highly stupid to wear armor that does not say Conj on it if youre playing conj. same goes for every class. especially if its above your rank. you know you will get less than 50% of the stats it has to offer doing so right?

Loving the class specific gear.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Since I don't think anyone has brought it up (I didn't see it at least), Dex on a conjurer weapon.
Because that makes total and complete sense w

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Actually the +dex will increase evasiveness... a bit.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Since I don't think anyone has brought it up (I didn't see it at least), Dex on a conjurer weapon.
Because that makes total and complete sense w

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I believe you need DEX for CON Weaponskills like Levinbolt, but hey it could have been STR lol, now that would have been totally useless.

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Originally Posted by Boricua

I believe you need DEX for CON Weaponskills like Levinbolt, but hey it could have been STR lol, now that would have been totally useless.

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Which is absurd in its own right. /shrug

This is very exciting!!! I can't wait for the update to see these in game.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

Wow I hope those NM are gonna drop the materials and not the finished items *-* can't wait to craft those things.

By the way, there are tons of awesome staves and shields in game that can be seen only on NPC, can't we have them instead of those two? >.> they're aweful

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They are definantly dropping materials. It is SE's way of making crafters important.

yeah, love the nm idea, but am not liking the oh we're out of ideas so let's give them another bomb and cactuar. one of the biggest complaints i have seen is we need new mobs and what is released? more of the same, but now they call the new named old mobs notorious monsters.

i need my TONBERRY!

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Originally Posted by wolfwing

heh yeah, I have one job up there Gladiator 41, but been keeping all my jobs 22 and below, with archer/lancer at 0. I have gladiator for high end stuff, and the rest for low end stuff as it gets added.

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Agreed, it's nice to have some low level classes to enjoy the new battle system and new low end content that comes out.

I like class specific gear with rank restriction for a lot of the same reasons others have stated. Also, this is an important first step to preparing for some of the changes to come.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

yeah, love the nm idea, but am not liking the oh we're out of ideas so let's give them another bomb and cactuar. one of the biggest complaints i have seen is we need new mobs and what is released? more of the same, but now they call the new named old mobs notorious monsters.

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We need new mobs, but NMs have always been named versions of normal mobs so no shock here. We're more likely to get new mob types with new areas.

I was particularly thrilled seeing the Yarzon NM "Daddy Longlegs". Having a personal grudge with them irl, I expect to kill that NM many, many times.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

i need my TONBERRY!

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Haha awesome sig :). I agree, Needs more Tonberry ^^

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Originally Posted by BlaiseLallaise

I was particularly thrilled seeing the Yarzon NM "Daddy Longlegs". Having a personal grudge with them irl, I expect to kill that NM many, many times.

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Depends, daddy longlegs ARE the deadliest spiders in existence, after all.

>.>

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Oh they're dropping the finished product. Begin complaining in 3.....2.....1.....

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why complain to monsters dropping completed armor to be honest crafting if fun and all . But would love to see more completed gear drop off of monsters .

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Originally Posted by Amage

why complain to monsters dropping completed armor to be honest crafting if fun and all . But would love to see more completed gear drop off of monsters .

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I'm not complaining, I really don't care but there is someone out there that does care and they'll make sure we'll know about it. :/

What, no coblyn NM? xD Seriously though, I am impressed that there will be 20 new NM's, wow! It will be so fun finding them all over the world.

I am excited for the new gear, and I hope there is something nice to replace my THM's grey robe and R41 weapon, lol. That shirt is so cute though, hope to snag one for my CON eventually. ^^ I've seen one like it on an NPC -- all the cute of a coatee, now with 70% less sexiness!

Twenty new NMs, twenty new pieces of equipment. :)

The lodestone post detailed three particular NMs and what they would drop. The rest of them, we will have to discover for ourselves! :D

@ Nahaara
"No thanks, the last thing this game needs is more restrictions imo."

Every MMO have a level and class restrictions So far what i see the players that don't want it is just to show off on the best looking gear and most of them are The mithra race.

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Originally Posted by Orophen

Well I more or less just wanted to understand the reasoning behind it. And I already got that from others. But I'm going to play a little devil's advocate for funsies, and also because my experience seems different from yours.

I used Ash Macuahuitl until rank 29 glad when I picked up Iron Dagger. Now why did I do this when there were much stronger weapons available and for cheap too? Cause my attack penalty was as high as -14 attack for iron dagger at rank 25, and it was still -4 attack at rank 28. To me that's not artificially handicapping myself. Is that enough of a penalty? Well it was for me, but I suppose others don't really look at the numbers that closely. I always thought it'd just be better to increase the penalty.

As far as striving for goals, yeah I understand some people need the requirements to feel like they are working towards a goal, I get it. I just never felt that way. Maybe I'm just the odd-man out on this. I still feel like rank requirements as goals are probably more artificial than creating goals for yourself. You've just got someone making the decision for you in that case. And I suppose that's fine if that's what's needed. And I realize I'm in the minority here. I just would've liked to see an alternate solution to this.

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Hi Orophen,

You (and a few others) are definitely more astute than far too many players, unfortunately. There are definitely plenty of people who aren't paying attention to Stat Penalties when they're using some Equipment 30 Ranks below the Optimal Rank. If they can equip it, their reasoning is "it must be better, it's Rank 50!!!" or something like that. :rolleyes:

You wonder about why Class Restricted / Rank Restricted Gear is good? It may seem artificial on one level, but here's one way of thinking about it:

Imagine you're a fledgeling rookie, just learning about Archery (i.e., Rank 1 - 10). Picking up the massive, finely-tuned, heavy resistance Crab Bow +3 (Rank 47 Weapon) and just happily using it and firing away at enemies seems a bit ridiculous, right? It'd take many battles / months / years to become a master Archer and properly wield that top rank weapon.

Same for if you're a beginner "soldier" learning about Swords and Shields (i.e., Gladiator Rank 1 - 10, let's say). You're just learning about things in the world and building up your strength and constitution, learning to bear the weight of an extra 40 POUNDS of Leather and Metal on your body (let's say a beginning piece of armor); you're struggling but getting used to it. Expecting that rookie to just go out and don a massive suit of Full Plate Iron Cuirass Armor (Rank 48) (say, 200+ pounds of extra Metal on you) and moving around and fighting like nothing's wrong, is just unrealistic, don't you think?

Sure, there are Stat Penalties, but far too many people don't pay attention to the penalties (or ignore them) as can be seen right now in game, with low level players using weapons and armor 30 ranks above them.

It's a goal to work towards as others have said.

I remember the first time I saw a White Mage in Full Artifact Armor in FF XI. They stood out immediately in town and it was something I aspired to work towards. It was impressive and a goal for me.

Another part of it is feeling like you've earned something that not everyone can get on Day 1 (or Rank 1). Sure it's a bit "elitist" may be, but you earn it. Getting to Rank 50, or being a Pugilist at a certain Rank, etc., is something you want to aspire towards.

Some people don't need that motivation to be "motivated" to play the game. That's true. But many people do; and it's a nice thing to have.

And lastly, as one poster said, Low Level to Mid Level Armor and Weapons would start to actually be in demand (and help crafters who make those items).