That Mac thread!

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

Ignoring all the other blathering

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Lol, what? You get shown to be an ignorant Mac fanboy and you call it blathering? I can not laugh hard enough. Get off your elitist high horse and see that Mac is just an over priced PC with a good looking UI.

Seriously guy.

I am upset at Xcode 4.

Anyway, Mac...twice the $$$ for half the hardware.
The only reason to buy one is because it looks good, nothing else - Doesn't run faster, doesn't work better

If you want to do Photoshop and make spreadsheets, buy a Mac. If you want to play games, buy a Windows-oriented machine or dualboot Windows on your Mac or whatever silly other-brand PC you have.

Be warned though, Macs are expensive and built poorly, and generate more heat than what is acceptable under full GPU load. God awful machines with work-oriented OS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-42x6wLN4Y

Hi I'm a PC

Hi I'm a Mac

Can't we all just learn to get along ?

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-42x6wLN4Y

Hi I'm a PC

Hi I'm a Mac

Can't we all just learn to get along ?

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I will when the Mac fanboys stop being elitist over things that aren't true, and lord those over the rest of us Window/Linux plebs.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Lol, what? You get shown to be an ignorant Mac fanboy and you call it blathering? I can not laugh hard enough. Get off your elitist high horse and see that Mac is just an over priced PC with a good looking UI.

Seriously guy.

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Nope it is blathering because it is all subjective; there is no way to prove his statements to be correct. it is not a high horse; his "reality" and my "reality" do not jive.

It does not matter anyways. This was not meant to be a flame thread, but Windows fanboys can not handle the idea of someone not only using a Mac but actually wanting to game on it as well. I hardly ever see Mac users going into PC related threads just to tell people to go get a Mac, but Windows user constantly invade Mac threads off all kinds just to demonstrate they are bigger Dicks. Thank you and have a nice day.

I really don't see harm in them eventually working on a Mac client. I have no clue what goes into it, but seeing as the average Mac hardware (at least machines Mac users use for gaming) isn't nearly as limited as the PS3, I'm not sure how it could negatively impact the game. Personally, though, "I just don't want to" doesn't seem like a very convincing argument as to why it should be done in light of the workarounds you've both acknowledged and dismissed.

Yeah... I love these wars... Personally, worked on a Mac Pro for a semester of digital composition; between not realizing that I had to empty my trashcan on -that- machine to get the space back on my thumb drive, and all the lock-ups, I'm not convinced. >_> My hodgepodge dirty ol' patchwork PC that I assembled myself works just fine. My level of 'judice' isn't in the 'pre' category. Would that be Postjudice or somethin'?

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I will when the Mac fanboys stop being elitist over things that aren't true, and lord those over the rest of us Window/Linux plebs.

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Details I want details

What are they elitist about ? That MACs in general are more aesthetic ? MACs are more stable ? MACs are more innovative ? What what what I wanna know.

What did they say that wasn't true ? <fill me in> <please>

Don't get me started on Linux WTF did the do to the Ubuntu UI IT SUCKS NOW

P.S. Whoever called you a pleb should apologize.

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Originally Posted by Huginn

I'm sorry, perhaps i should have introduced myself. Over in the WINE AppDB, i am known as Michael D. I am the first maintainer for FFXI and first supermaintainer/maintainer for FFXIV. I have also been supporting GNU/Linux and Mac OSX applications for several years. These preconceived prejudices are from experience.
You have not lived until you have been in a room with 1 doctor of CS, 2 doctoral students, four graduate students and some undergraduate research students all gathered around an iMac and ready to ask you to disassemble it to get the rewritable CD out of the drive because dragging rewritable media to the trashcan makes so much sense on a method of ejection.

Most people that i know, do not understand that a Mac is not different than a PC, other than the "magic" chip that OSX will poll to see if it is a mac. Video editing is not faster on a mac, it is just elitist and traditional all at once.

Please get some experience before spewing forth opinions that are being claimed as fact.

I think this topic was about asking for a native mac client? hey OP, is WINE ok, or were you looking for more? i think we got lost. Also, official and unsupported clients for Linux/BSD/Mac would be awesome. Id ask for BeOS, but Be doesnt even support it anymore.

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QFT & thank you for your work on Wine man. :) He has said Wine as acceptable if SE complied with Winelib I believe and released an official yet unsupported client so users could just install and go.

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

Details I want details

What are they elitist about ? That MACs in general are more aesthetic ? MACs are more stable ? MACs are more innovative ? What what what I wanna know.

What did they say that wasn't true ? <fill me in> <please>

Don't get me started on Linux WTF did the do to the Ubuntu UI IT SUCKS NOW

P.S. Whoever called you a pleb should apologize.

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If you don't like Ubuntu and Unity (that's what I'm assuming your complaining about is the Unity interface) you have options. Gnome 3 is right there and Debian or Fedora are good.. Personally I've been revisiting SuSE recently after a long time and find the latest versions quite nice.

I don't know why people see any kind of problem with a Mac client. People own these systems now and they want to play FFXIV on them now. I don't even use Macs and I like the idea.

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

Details I want details

What are they elitist about ? That MACs in general are more aesthetic ? MACs are more stable ? MACs are more innovative ? What what what I wanna know.

What did they say that wasn't true ? <fill me in> <please>

Don't get me started on Linux WTF did the do to the Ubuntu UI IT SUCKS NOW

P.S. Whoever called you a pleb should apologize.

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Look back on my posts, plenty of patently false claims by Mac fanboys.

And nobody called me a pleb on here specifically, but it's something I hear all the time from Mac fanboys.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

QFT & thank you for your work on Wine man. :)




If you don't like Ubuntu and Unity (that's what I'm assuming your complaining about is the Unity interface) you have options. Gnome 3 is right there and Debian or Fedora are good.. Personally I've been revisiting SuSE recently after a long time and find the latest versions quite nice.

I don't know why people see any kind of problem with a Mac client. People own these systems now and they want to play FFXIV on them now. I don't even use Macs and I like the idea.

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Thanks, I'll try the Ubuntu change later, it's on my "gaming" laptop

As for the Mac/PC debate :

Options options options

no one is asking SE to force people to play on a mac
Making a mac version shouldn't be that hard, and it would probably increase the player base Think of it finally a KILLER app for the MAC

P.S. anyone play FFT on the ipad my nephew messed up my game save, and now im stuck entering into battle with only Ramza in pt.

The current WINE version is running on OSX just fine. i know it has already been posted, but here is the link to the FFXIV page, with a wonderful writeup form Evan Burns on the install process. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478

I am kinda ashamed to say that i am currently running FFXIV in windows because of a very specific hardware issue (if you want a PCIe SSD for FFXIV, they work great, but dont get the RevoDrive3 if you want to roll in linux. get the RevoDrive original, it has full support.

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Originally Posted by Huginn

The current WINE version is running on OSX just fine. i know it has already been posted, but here is the link to the FFXIV page, with a wonderful writeup form Evan Burns on the install process. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...sion&iId=21478

I am kinda ashamed to say that i am currently running FFXIV in windows because of a very specific hardware issue (if you want a PCIe SSD for FFXIV, they work great, but dont get the RevoDrive3 if you want to roll in linux. get the RevoDrive original, it has full support.

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Actually on Linux I'm having some problems with my joystick. I know the reg hacks that it should be but doesn’t work.. gonna hold of and try again on 2.0. Or get a different joystick.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Look back on my posts, plenty of patently false claims by Mac fanboys.

And nobody called me a pleb on here specifically, but it's something I hear all the time from Mac fanboys.

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I'm too lazy to look up your posts. SO for the time being, I'll go with this:

/ignore

bye have a nice day

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

I'm too lazy to look up your posts. SO for the time being, I'll go with this:

/ignore

bye have a nice day

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Can't win argument? Ignores.

As for mac debate: Can you play FF14 on Mac? Yes? Then keep playing it like you are doing now. A Mac specific client will be ready (maybe) in 3-4 years

Seriously, I find this thread amusing. Can't stop laughing.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

Nope it is blathering because it is all subjective; there is no way to prove his statements to be correct. it is not a high horse; his "reality" and my "reality" do not jive.

It does not matter anyways. This was not meant to be a flame thread, but Windows fanboys can not handle the idea of someone not only using a Mac but actually wanting to game on it as well. I hardly ever see Mac users going into PC related threads just to tell people to go get a Mac, but Windows user constantly invade Mac threads off all kinds just to demonstrate they are bigger Dicks. Thank you and have a nice day.

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Biggest case of the pot calling the kettle black all day on these forums.
Btw, you can't be a "PC" fanboy (or fangirl in my case) because PC is not a brand or label. It is a classification of hardware. An individual can be one for Microsoft or Dell or Mac, but calling one a "PC fanboy/girl" is inaccurate. Please try harder to make actual arguments.

I will state what others have stated before. Mac is a PC. To argue otherwise is to say you don't know what they are.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

Nope it is blathering because it is all subjective; there is no way to prove his statements to be correct. it is not a high horse; his "reality" and my "reality" do not jive.

It does not matter anyways. This was not meant to be a flame thread, but Windows fanboys can not handle the idea of someone not only using a Mac but actually wanting to game on it as well. I hardly ever see Mac users going into PC related threads just to tell people to go get a Mac, but Windows user constantly invade Mac threads off all kinds just to demonstrate they are bigger Dicks. Thank you and have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Biggest case of the pot calling the kettle black all day on these forums.
Btw, you can't be a "PC" fanboy (or fangirl in my case) because PC is not a brand or label. It is a classification of hardware. An individual can be one for Microsoft or Dell or Mac, but calling one a "PC fanboy/girl" is inaccurate. Please try harder to make actual arguments.

I will state what others have stated before. Mac is a PC. To argue otherwise is to say you don't know what they are.

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Now you are just arguing semantics for no real reason(PLUS I SAID WINDOWS FANBOYS NOT PC...LEARN TO READ!). Nobody in their right mind denies that a Mac is a PC, but when people refer to PC the connotation is Windows based computing, so please stop trying to act like you have a one up; you new exactly what I or anyone else was saying. No one was arguing they are not a PC; just a superior computing experience, and beside this just continues to reinforce my point that people who use Windows can not handle the thought of Mac users even existing.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

Now you are just arguing semantics for no real reason(PLUS I SAID WINDOWS FANBOYS NOT PC...LEARN TO READ!). Nobody in their right mind denies that a Mac is a PC, but when people refer to PC the connotation is Windows based computing, so please stop trying to act like you have a one up; you new exactly what I or anyone else was saying. No one was arguing they are not a PC; just a superior computing experience, and beside this just continues to reinforce my point that people who use Windows can not handle the thought of Mac users even existing.

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And that just seems to be a blanket statement meant to inflame the whole argument further...

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Biggest case of the pot calling the kettle black all day on these forums.
Btw, you can't be a "PC" fanboy (or fangirl in my case) because PC is not a brand or label. It is a classification of hardware. An individual can be one for Microsoft or Dell or Mac, but calling one a "PC fanboy/girl" is inaccurate. Please try harder to make actual arguments.

I will state what others have stated before. Mac is a PC. To argue otherwise is to say you don't know what they are.

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Ya know.. considering the hardware is identical.. lulz

Maybe you should concentrate more on the issue at hand and less on what labels people give you eh?

Anyone who would possibly argue that Windows is a superior computing environment needs to get out more. But hea, it's a forum so someone will make it.. soo if Windows is such a great environment and is easy to use etc etc.. Lets look at any old area of the system.. how about the C:\ drive for instance. A novice would ask "Why is it C:? Why not A?" To that you have to explain that it holds an archaic fall back to 80's floppy drives and hopefully you don't have to explain what a floppy drive itself is or why it is floppy. Innovative? Easy? On what plannet? But it gets better.. why would a modern operating system classify drives according to alphabetical charters, can you imagine a situation where there are more than 26 drives, partitions, usb sticks and cameras in a computer today? What if C:\My Documents\My Photos becomes full of photos? What then? Copy them all to D:\? Why is this core architecture of Windows stuck in the 80's? No other operating systems is. Mac's follow the Unix file system structure where storage is allocated to mount points, in this type of layout a user need not know what actual device they need to use to save files and and administrators can just allocate additional space where it is needed without changing the file system structure. /users/photos becomes /user/photos with more space... and don't even get me started on the Unix ZFS Filesystem, in that case you slap in a hard disk add it to the pool and space magically appears allocated by the volume manager.. along with all the other amazing features of ZFS that do not exist in Windows land.. but /sarcasm ZFS must not exist because we all know *only* Microsoft innovates with lots of great stuff like Internet Explorer and new and improved windows help to assist you with all the pirated/trial/shareware/ad ridden programs you use. :: roll eyes ::

One thing Microsoft is really good at though is advertising and convincing people who don't know very much about computers that they make good products.. for this A+

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

Now you are just arguing semantics for no real reason(PLUS I SAID WINDOWS FANBOYS NOT PC...LEARN TO READ!). Nobody in their right mind denies that a Mac is a PC, but when people refer to PC the connotation is Windows based computing, so please stop trying to act like you have a one up; you new exactly what I or anyone else was saying. No one was arguing they are not a PC; just a superior computing experience, and beside this just continues to reinforce my point that people who use Windows can not handle the thought of Mac users even existing.

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Lol, how easily Mac fanboys get upset over a small mistake is funny. I'll actually try to make a point this time. But aside from that small mistake, which I apologize for, you are the one coming up here saying Mac is better and you are not really making any real points except for personal preference arguments.
EDIT: And to be clear, I mean any arguments that are actually valid.

What you are arguing is all subjective points of view and no facts. From what I understand, take to mind I am no expert on the topic, is that Mac has a more "modern" OS with more streamlined functions and that's all that can be said about it. There's no "magic component(s)" that make it run better or anything of the sort. On the flip side Macs are made so that you have to buy upgrades through Apple unless you're very tech savy (and most people are not) which makes it an obsolite system as a whole. Non-Apple PC's are user friendly hardware wise and inexpensive compared to Mac and they get better parts sooner on the market than non-Apple PC's and they are typically more powerful than Macs from this fact alone, not to mention the fact that you have so much freedom to do whatever you want that they are chosen over Mac.

Modern OS > more affordable, powerful and customizable system as a whole? I think not. Oh and before you go on saying Mac is affordable, if I can find it later I'll link it here but there was someone who made a video proving how over priced Apple products are by going through and clicking all the extra options available to add on to a regular new model Mac lap top and it was over $10,000. I don't even have a big point behind that, just the fact that you can customize a $10,000 lap top that would become obsolite in 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

Ya know.. considering the hardware is identical.. lulz

Maybe you should concentrate more on the issue at hand and less on what labels people give you eh?

Anyone who would possibly argue that Windows is a superior computing environment needs to get out more. But hea, it's a forum so someone will make it.. soo if Windows is such a great environment and is easy to use etc etc.. Lets look at any old area of the system.. how about the C:\ drive for instance. A novice would ask "Why is it C:? Why not A?" To that you have to explain that it holds an archaic fall back to 80's floppy drives and hopefully you don't have to explain what a floppy drive itself is or why it is floppy. Innovative? Easy? On what plannet? But it gets better.. why would a modern operating system classify drives according to alphabetical charters, can you imagine a situation where there are more than 26 drives, partitions, usb sticks and cameras in a computer today? What if C:\My Documents\My Photos becomes full of photos? What then? Copy them all to D:\? Why is this core architecture of Windows stuck in the 80's? No other operating systems is. Mac's follow the Unix file system structure where storage is allocated to mount points, in this type of layout a user need not know what actual device they need to use to save files and and administrators can just allocate additional space where it is needed without changing the file system structure. /users/photos becomes /user/photos with more space... and don't even get me started on the Unix ZFS Filesystem, in that case you slap in a hard disk add it to the pool and space magically appears allocated by the volume manager.. along with all the other amazing features of ZFS that do not exist in Windows land.. but /sarcasm ZFS must not exist because we all know *only* Microsoft innovates with lots of great stuff like Internet Explorer and new and improved windows help to assist you with all the pirated/trial/shareware/ad ridden programs you use. :: roll eyes ::

One thing Microsoft is really good at though is advertising and convincing people who don't know very much about computers that they make good products.. for this A+

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WTF did I just read

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Originally Posted by Renen

Dont buy a mac and expect to play games on it.
Most companies make games for PC. If you want games, get a PC, dont ask company to spend resources to port the game to mac.

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Don't tell people what not to do.

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Originally Posted by Renen

WTF did I just read

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LoL you never used Vista did you? Windows Vista is kinda like FFXIV, and Windows 7 is kinda like 2.0 do you understand what I'm saying ?

vista sucked 7 fixed it not completely though

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

Don't tell people what not to do.

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Although I do kind of agree with you, the self entitlement on this thread makes me agree with Renen also.

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Originally Posted by Jaimie

LoL you never used Vista did you? Windows Vista is kinda like FFXIV, and Windows 7 is kinda like 2.0 do you understand what I'm saying ?

vista sucked 7 fixed it not completely though

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Vista was so horrible it should not even be mentioned. It's just a universally understood fact.

Hea AmyNeudaiz, Macs *are* better. You'll have to just face it. The system design (mostly due to Darwin/Mach/FreeBSD) is superior. The UI implementation is superior.

Saying they are more expensive is like saying Cobalt is better than Dark Light because it's cheaper.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Although I do kind of agree with you, the self entitlement on this thread makes me agree with Renen also.



Vista was so horrible it should not even be mentioned. It's just a universally understood fact.

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You know that 7 is Vista re branded and touched up, right? Same core system.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

Hea AmyNeudaiz, Macs *are* better. You'll have to just face it. The system design (mostly due to Darwin/Mach/FreeBSD) is superior. The UI implementation is superior.

Saying they are more expensive is like saying Cobalt is better than Dark Light because it's cheaper.

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Off the subject of your analogy, I'd take appropriate triple IV melds on +1 Cobalt over Darklight anyday. People just like to say Darklight is better because of the social status attached to it. Also, Darklight is cheaper because it's free.

Anyways back to the subject, I was more arguing the cost effectiveness of the 2. For what you would pay for in a Mac PC you can get better in a non-Mac PC and be able to make the same upgrades far cheaper. This is only one point. If you feel inclined to throw your money away so you can have an icon on your computer monitor shaped like a bitten apple, feel free.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

You know that 7 is Vista re branded and touched up, right? Same core system.

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7 is Vista fixed. The reason Vista is horrible is not present in 7. This is coming from someone who doesn't like Windows OS. Let me say it again for extra clearity. I hate Windows, it's crap.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Off the subject of your analogy, I'd take appropriate triple IV melds on +1 Cobalt over Darklight anyday. People just like to say Darklight is better because of the social status attached to it. Also, Darklight is cheaper because it's free.

Anyways back to the subject, I was more arguing the cost effectiveness of the 2. For what you would pay for in a Mac PC you can get better in a non-Mac PC and be able to make the same upgrades far cheaper. This is only one point. If you feel inclined to throw your money away so you can have an icon on your computer monitor shaped like a bitten apple, feel free.



7 is Vista fixed. The reason Vista is horrible is not present in 7. This is coming from someone who doesn't like Windows OS.

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What was "fixed"? Both seem to run like crap to me but I don't know.. I have to compare that with what I know and I have experience with pretty much any operating system you could name and many you couldn't. My biggest complaint about windows is that it allows the user to pollute and slowly destroy the operating system.. this is why new installs run so much better on Windows. Other OS's don't really have this problem. On Linux or Solaris for example.. every single time you log into it.. unless you make a change it is exactly the same level of performance as last time and will run this way till the hardware gives out.

You know how to tell your hardware is failing in Solaris? It crashes. In windows this is just an indication that it hasn't been rebooted in 3 days. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsStHxtVr_w

The Windows Mojave testing told Microsoft that what was wrong with Vista was.. nothing. and btw. 8 is worse.. 8 will kill Microsoft.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

What was "fixed"? Both seem to run like crap to me but I don't know.. I have to compare that with what I know and I have experience with pretty much any operating system you could name and many you couldn't. My biggest complaint about windows is that it allows the user to pollute and slowly destroy the operating system.. this is why new installs run so much better on Windows. Other OS's don't really have this problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsStHxtVr_w

The Windows Mojave testing told Microsoft that what was wrong with Vista was.. nothing. and btw. 8 is worse.. 8 will kill Microsoft.

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Bolded for truth.

Back on subject, Windows 7 removed most of the "flashy but not practical" crap they had on Vista which was extremely irritating. They made the OS run faster and they got rid of many bugs that Vista had. They made the security system less "pull your hair out in frustration" and generally improved it. It's all "preference" if you will, but it cause major issues with making it not user friendly for the sake of looking pretty. Source: PCworld article I read like forever ago (can't find to link) and actual experience with both.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

In windows this is just an indication that it hasn't been rebooted in 3 days. lol

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None of my computers ever had this issue even when one was on Vista and I've never heard of anyone having this issue unless they have a really old PC. I'm starting to think you're the one with preconceived ideas of what Windows is like.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Bolded for truth.

Back on subject, Windows 7 removed most of the "flashy but not practical" crap they had on Vista which was extremely irritating. They made the OS run faster and they got rid of many bugs that Vista had. They made the security system less "pull your hair out in frustration" and generally improved it. It's all "preference" if you will, but it cause major issues with making it not user friendly for the sake of looking pretty. Source: PCworld article I read like forever ago (can't find to link) and actual experience with both.

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So basically touchups like I said.. those are changing the system defaults.. not changing the system. They reg-edited it.

The job of the OS is to be as invisible as possible to the user. When the user goes to accomplish a task, the very last thing they should think about or receive a notification from is the OS. The perfect OS is something like the OS that runs your car's computer.. you don't think about it or acknowledge that it's there.. it silently assists you in the task of driving, while you concentrate on.. driving.

In desktop computing space we are a long way from there.. however Interfaces like Gnome 3 and Aqua go further to this end of getting out of your way and letting you work then Aero on Windows does.. Windows sometimes acts like a needy child always wanting attention..

Metro from 8 is plagued with a whole new set of problems, such as hidden options, inconsistent interfaces as it switches back and forth and inconsistency with the ribbon interface on all the flagship apps. Including the requirement to preform mouse yoga a times to do what once was a simple task.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

So basically touchups like I said.. those are changing the system defaults.. not changing the system. They reg-edited it.

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Back to your earlier analogy, that's like saying FFXIV 1.0 (launch day) is 1.23 but with touch ups. It gets to a point to where it is beyond "touch ups" and more like an overhaul. They fixed most of the major complaints which I cannot recall all of them atm, but there were many. The only difference here is the fact that FFXIV remained FFXIV and Windows Vista got repackaged as Windows 7.
But I am not here to sell you Windows 7. I am here to state that the over glorification of Mac is redundant since it is not superior, it just has some die hard fans who spend $2000+ a year on Apple products making it the more expensive product. The fact of the matter is that the Mac user base is quite small in comparison to normal PC's but are just more profitable from the label. Yes, it has a better OS than Windows but that says nothing about the other OS's for non-Mac PC's. It's not just one side or the other, it's more like both of those options suck and you can do better. If you want to play FFXIV without work-arounds and without the horrid mess that is Windows OS go use Linux or something.

^ above post was made while multitasking. subject to not fully getting point across.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Back to your earlier analogy, that's like saying FFXIV 1.0 (launch day) is 1.23 but with touch ups. It gets to a point to where it is beyond "touch ups" and more like an overhaul. They fixed most of the major complaints which I cannot recall all of them atm, but there were many. The only difference here is the fact that FFXIV remained FFXIV and Windows Vista got repackaged as Windows 7.
But I am not here to sell you Windows 7. I am here to state that the over glorification of Mac is redundant since it is not superior, it just has some die hard fans who spend $2000+ a year on Apple products making it the more expensive product. The fact of the matter is that the Mac user base is quite small in comparison to normal PC's but are just more profitable from the label. Yes, it has a better OS than Windows but that says nothing about the other OS's for non-Mac PC's. It's not just one side or the other, it's more like both of those options suck and you can do better. If you want to play FFXIV without work-arounds and without the horrid mess that is Windows OS go use Linux or something.

^ above post was made while multitasking. subject to not fully getting point across.

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It does have a label value, but that's got nothing to do with it's superiority or not. When talking about architecture and design it makes smarter and better choices than Windows does. From the Kernel level, to the system level, to the interface level.

I think we may be comparing apples to oranges here.. because I'm entirely ignoring the fact that Apple is a hardware manufacture.. I don't compare Apple to Microsoft on this level because Microsoft does not make hardware, the only level that makes sense is on the software level. (on a hardware level your much more apt to find crap hardware components in a Dell than in a Apple system but there is such a wide range of options here it's difficult to really compare)

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Originally Posted by Renen

WTF did I just read

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POSIX compliance and he's right. OSX is POSIX compliant.

That said, OSX and Windows are both s**tty OSes, OSX being the smellier turd of the two.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

POSIX compliance and he's right. OSX is POSIX compliant.

That said, OSX and Windows are both s**tty OSes, OSX being the smellier turd of the two.

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Partly but when you say POSIX people don't know what that means or how it benefits them. But getting into the core of it.. if you didn't know what C: already meant.. why would you think it a logical choice..? the truth is, you wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

It does have a label value, but that's got nothing to do with it's superiority or not. When talking about architecture and design it makes smarter and better choices than Windows does. From the Kernel level, to the system level, to the interface level.

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To make my earlier main point completely clear (I've been a little all over the place, multitasking a bit too much) to where most people will agree is that Mac computers are obsolete the second they come off the production line because of the cost effectiveness is just not there. You are paying for the label. It is not a matter of Mac vs Windows, it is a matter of Mac vs Everything. If a Mac comes out with a computer that is rated 85 out of 100 points (random example), you could build your own non-Mac PC or even order a pre-built non-Mac PC with the same rating for a lot cheaper and have your own OS of choice installed and there are plenty that are as good if not better than any Mac OS. Alternatively you could buy a lot more for $2000 buying a regular PC than you can with buying a Mac. Cost effectiveness is a very important issue and to say it's not is kind of an elitist and wasteful mentality.

Now getting back to the OP's discussion, I really don't expect a Mac client to be released for another few years. It's a lot more work than it sounds. Saying that they should hinder the production of FFXIV for real gamers just because you refuse to use work arounds is just blatant self entitlement. My first post here fixes all of the problems you have. Get a real PC if you don't want to have work arounds or wait a few years for a Mac client. That's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jadi

Partly but when you say POSIX people don't know what that means or how it benefits them. But getting into the core of it.. if you didn't know what C: already meant.. why would you think it a logical choice..? the truth is, you wouldn't.

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It's not logical, but it's also irrelevant for the most part.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Lol, how easily Mac fanboys get upset over a small mistake is funny. I'll actually try to make a point this time. But aside from that small mistake, which I apologize for, you are the one coming up here saying Mac is better and you are not really making any real points except for personal preference arguments.
EDIT: And to be clear, I mean any arguments that are actually valid.

What you are arguing is all subjective points of view and no facts. From what I understand, take to mind I am no expert on the topic, is that Mac has a more "modern" OS with more streamlined functions and that's all that can be said about it. There's no "magic component(s)" that make it run better or anything of the sort. On the flip side Macs are made so that you have to buy upgrades through Apple unless you're very tech savy (and most people are not) which makes it an obsolite system as a whole. Non-Apple PC's are user friendly hardware wise and inexpensive compared to Mac and they get better parts sooner on the market than non-Apple PC's and they are typically more powerful than Macs from this fact alone, not to mention the fact that you have so much freedom to do whatever you want that they are chosen over Mac.

Modern OS > more affordable, powerful and customizable system as a whole? I think not. Oh and before you go on saying Mac is affordable, if I can find it later I'll link it here but there was someone who made a video proving how over priced Apple products are by going through and clicking all the extra options available to add on to a regular new model Mac lap top and it was over $10,000. I don't even have a big point behind that, just the fact that you can customize a $10,000 lap top that would become obsolite in 2 years.

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No you can not build a $10,000 laptop; go to the Apple store and check yourself, secondly as i said before one of the main price point is the Monitor which for the iMacs the equivalent would be $1000 and the macbooks have no equivalent laptop monitor out there. How hard is it for you to understand that the OS does make it run faster that is the key. The average computer user does not upgrade for 5 years buying a Mac is only obsolete for people who upgrade every component every year.

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Now getting back to the OP's discussion, I really don't expect a Mac client to be released for another few years. It's a lot more work than it sounds. Saying that they should hinder the production of FFXIV for real gamers just because you refuse to use work arounds is just blatant self entitlement. My first post here fixes all of the problems you have. Get a real PC if you don't want to have work arounds or wait a few years for a Mac client. That's just my opinion.

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I never expected them to do it at launch or even in the first year; I even said as much but it does seem from your previous attempts at changing the argument to benefit yourself you can't be bothered to read. i even said i would use workarounds. I also dare you to build a PC with similar specs as a 27in iMac and don't forget to include an ISP monitor.

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No you can not build a $10,000 laptop; go to the Apple store and check yourself, secondly as i said before one of the main price point is the Monitor which for the iMacs the equivalent would be $1000 and the macbooks have no equivalent laptop monitor out there. How hard is it for you to understand that the OS does make it run faster that is the key. The average computer user does not upgrade for 5 years buying a Mac is only obsolete for people who upgrade every component every year.

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I never expected them to do it at launch or even in the first year; I even said as much but it does seem from your previous attempts at changing the argument to benefit yourself you can't be bothered to read. i even said i would use workarounds. I also dare you to build a PC with similar specs as a 27in iMac and don't forget to include an ISP monitor.

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First off, I'm not going to check for myself. I've seen it with my own eyes. But I can't find the video, so fair enough this argument holds no water but it's still true to me.

Secondly, I can go out and get three monitors use it on one computer. Mac can not do that. That is one of the strong points of regular PC over Mac, especially for gaming.

Yeah, I know OS makes things run faster. But that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying it's over priced garbage like Alienware. You can get the same for cheaper if you don't go Mac.

I'm not trying to change the subject, I'm more going with the thread. I also don't see how anything I'm saying is of any "benefit" to me?

Lastly, I reread your OP and okay fair enough, you said in the future but it still doesn't really exempt you from my statement. Again, you latch on to these little mistakes I make and don't focus on the core message which is, having a Mac client is unnecessary because the player base for Mac is tiny and not profitable.