If we don't see Major changes in 8.0

I mean I know there are plenty of others in the same boat. If 8.0 comes around and the game doesn't make some significant changes then it's probably finally time to cut the losses and bounce for good.

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Originally Posted by Ephremjlm

I mean I know there are plenty of others in the same boat. If 8.0 comes around and the game doesn't make some significant changes then it's probably finally time to cut the losses and bounce for good.

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+1

I don't want to cancel my sub and lose my house and FC submarines unless I'm quitting indefinitely and 8.0 should be a solid indicator of whether things will ever actually improve or if it's just time to move on.

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Originally Posted by Ephremjlm

I mean I know there are plenty of others in the same boat. If 8.0 comes around and the game doesn't make some significant changes then it's probably finally time to cut the losses and bounce for good.

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8.0 still would have to be designed to work withe the current encounter design who is at fault for Jobs beeing dumbed down to begin with.
Aka I have no trust at all and the moment my playtime runs out I am gone.
I would love to be wrong an 8.0 keeping all promises made turning they game to an actual playable state... But as it stand the devs have simplie lied to us to often to give there promises any worth.

RIFT is still... existent

It is amazing that there are still people who trust yoshi p, when he has lied with things he promises but does not deliver even he does not even say if they are progressing or not, just "please look foward to it", a este punto deseo que exista otro mmo más divertido que ff14

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Originally Posted by Sifpatata

It is amazing that there are still people who trust yoshi p, when he has lied with things he promises but does not deliver even he does not even say if they are progressing or not, just "please look foward to it", a este punto deseo que exista otro mmo más divertido que ff14

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People should learn how Japanese people talk, they never give it to you straight answers. When the thing you want from devs is straight up honesty on what they want to do, what they can do, what they can't do, what they don't want to do. But instead we are kept in the shadows guessing what they have for us next. It's baffling that people actually let this slide, but here we are, waiting in the dark for "please look forward to it" without any roadmaps.

At this point, they need to fire YoshyP and hire someone with Fresh new ideas

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

At this point, they need to fire YoshyP and hire someone with Fresh new ideas

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Honestly not even shur if Yoshida is still involved as game director or if they just present him for live letters and interviews as some kind of memeable living maskot.
I mean we do know most of his attention was on FF 16 for large parts of Endwalkers development.

Yeah I don't mean to beat a dead horse but I just haven't really been invested since 6.0. And idk I could be wrong but I think I heard that Occult Crescent isn't going to give external xp meaning that they still plan to force us to be the sole support to new players by doing garbage dailies etc. I just want that adventurer feeling again and I don't think they plan on going that route. They axed almost all bits of the story that I was invested in that was built up from 1.0 (arbitrarily in some cases last expansion) and I just think that maybe people are right. Maybe the game isn't made for me anymore. I took Yoshi P's advice and went to play other games, and I realized that it wasn't rose colored glasses, and it wasn't me being burnt out from playing ffxiv, it was that the game has just changed in ways that feel shallow. Some people like repeating brainless content but I want to play an MMO. I want to explore a massive world.

I have resubbed to prep for Occult Crescent hoping that it will be content that will be more my style, but idk for some reason the vibe im getting is just feeling like its gonna be the same old same old with more people involved due to it being new. idk I hope i'm wrong, but we are gonna be on the half way patch and all we've seen are jobs still getting nerfed, and more of the same. Everyone said the MSQ was so much better but all I saw was that they added a new emo character, and oh boy sphene is alive. It just feels like all aesthetic, and not much substance. And I really mean this, I feel like both of the raid stories are easily 10x more interesting.

But hey, if you're a person that likes everything, don't let me be a cloud on your sunny day. Conversely though, if you are having weird feelings about everything, don't feel like you're going crazy, others feel it too.

I know I wont be here when 8.0 drops but is there still space on the demands list? ^^

Give us anything that makes EXP worthwhile again once you reach levelcap with all jobs. I sometimes forget that EXP do even exist in the game because they have no value to me anymore.
It could give you maybe some unlocks to glam your attack animation or an alternate design for Scholars ugly angle enshroud that was addet in Dawntrail... Really no Idea what the thought process behind that was.

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

We all quit!

These are our demands

New housing system. Similar to FF 14 mobile
Better Glamour, JUST like FF 14 mobile
Better leveling experience
Better open world
Better Dungeons and not the same trash we been getting every expansion.
Improve Job changes


What else should I add??

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F**k XIV mobile and release XI mobile like they were gonna do.

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

And as someone else said, there's some amazing housing on WoW now, you can stop being a refugee.

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WoW is very different to FFXIV
Those who want WoW type of game play will be disappointed in FFXIV
And those who love the way FFXIV will not enjoy WoW
If player migrate from WoW to FFXIV they would never stay long in FFXIV. The core audiences are so different

I know plenty of people who play both games. But I think they have different expectations of both.

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

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Originally Posted by Naoki34

And as someone else said, there's some amazing housing on WoW now, you can stop being a refugee.

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WoW is very different to FFXIV
Those who want WoW type of game play will be disappointed in FFXIV
And those who love the way FFXIV will not enjoy WoW
If player migrate from WoW to FFXIV they would never stay long in FFXIV. The core audiences are so different

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I mean, I enjoyed both plenty well, even when they were each more distinct (including from their current forms).

And having enjoyed both doesn't make dumb things, when done by either game, any less dumb -- including having housing as a fairly main feature and then having only enough for a small portion of players.

@Naoki -- Why would we not want that fixed? That WoW does better in some regard doesn't mean XIV should actively seek not to in order to seem "distinct". It's already sanded down most of its meaningful distinctions in actual gameplay and features in order to be "more XIV" (read: making the game as plug-and-play [just put combos and oGCDs in template order and go] as to be as casual-friendly as possible even while leaving all meaningful content a matter of rote memorization, as if that's what was always meant to make the game what it is), leaving only its weird dichotomies as what most directly opposes WoW.

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Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC

We all quit!

These are our demands

New housing system. Similar to FF 14 mobile
Better Glamour, JUST like FF 14 mobile
Better leveling experience
Better open world
Better Dungeons and not the same trash we been getting every expansion.
Improve Job changes


What else should I add??

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The open world definitely could use some attention. FATEs are literally just kill X number of mobs. You kill 15 mobs, or one really big mob, or 15 mobs and then talk to an NPC. The last time we had a FATE that was different was in Stormblood with that one FATE where you had to chase down the big mob and kill it before it reaches the town (Which does nothing, doesn't remove vendors or repair NPCs or anything). Everything is so damn static and boring I was actually pleasantly surprised to see mobs interacting with each other on Mare Lamentorum, granted it's just one mob killing another and getting a buff, but it was nice to see. It's just so sad to see 14 being stifled by either lack of creativity, its archaic engine/code, or both.

Ok quit then, fare thee well, but You'll be back soonish ...

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Been playing this for over a decade at this point.

I simply do not expect anything major changing with 8.0. This is simply the road we've been on and I do not see the devs changing trajectory. I used to be bitter about it, gnash my teeth and comment on X and Y and Z changes I want to see, but I'm older now and I have not the energy to spend on that kind of thing. Nowadays I simply play the game for the aspects I do enjoy... which to be quite honest aren't very many now, but enough to keep me coming back, I suppose.

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This one gets it must be an OG lol

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

Honestly for a group that is so determined to optimally do as little work as possible for maximum return, its amazing you take so little advantage of opportunities to improve and fix what you already have.

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Dat Part. I thought EW would be that expansion to line DT for the lay up but at last I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Acutally SE did server merges all the time in FFXI (I know this for a fact, my original FFXI server, Midgardsormr, was merged back in 2010 into Quetzalcoatl), so there is precedent. It hasn't yet happened here in ARR though, although it did sort of occur in FFXIV 1.0, where the original servers were merged together into new servers (the original FFXIV 1.0 servers were all named after towns and places from past FF games, the 'replacement' 1.0 servers of which there were fewer, took the names of reoccuring weapons from past FF games, and these became the so-called 'Legacy' servers in ARR - my original 1.0 server, Selbina, became Ridill, which I started ARR on as well, (well, before jumping to Balmung, which was originally Besaid as I recall).

Having said that, I don't see SE purging or rolling servers together here in FFXIV ARR anytime soon, even the 'quiet' ones, because there are unique issues and challenges at play here in FFXIV that FFXI did not have (specifically, different geographical locations of data centres where as FFXI all the servers have only ever been based in the same location in Japan), which are more difficult and costly to address in a way that is acceptable to players.

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Hello fellow Midgardsormer <3

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Is true. Mao feels much same way and that why Mao now playings WoW. Howevers, Mao can only speaks for Mao. Other peoples might still likes FFXIV and that oks too. Mao hopings that peoples whats stay with FFXIV, continues to has funs with it.

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Just for curiosity.

I recall Mao saying that her will just let her sub end and will play something else.

But it was months ago. But Mao is still posting here. And to post here, an active sub is needed.

So, what keeps Mao playing this game? House? Friends?

So, I think OP should just shorten the path and go.

Everyone knows that this game won't change much at 8.0. It didn't changed that much at 7.0, nor 6.0, not even at 5.0, 4.0 or 3.0. Only time we saw a really drastic change was from 1.0 to 2.0.

And is well-known that Japanese is resistant to changes. Specially drastic changes, more if the product is a good chunk of S-E earnings.

So, don't expect anything beyond incremental changes at 8.0. You'll be disappointed otherwise.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

So, I think OP should just shorten the path and go.

Everyone knows that this game won't change much at 8.0. It didn't changed that much at 7.0, nor 6.0, not even at 5.0, 4.0 or 3.0. Only time we saw a really drastic change was from 1.0 to 2.0.

And is well-known that Japanese is resistant to changes. Specially drastic changes, more if the product is a good chunk of S-E earnings.

So, don't expect anything beyond incremental changes at 8.0. You'll be disappointed otherwise.

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Your not wrong here, so please dont think of this as snark but 4.0 and 5.0 did have big changes but since Shb blew up they thought they found the formula.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

Just for curiosity.

I recall Mao saying that her will just let her sub end and will play something else.

But it was months ago. But Mao is still posting here. And to post here, an active sub is needed.

So, what keeps Mao playing this game? House? Friends?

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-and-on-forums.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

So, I think OP should just shorten the path and go.

Everyone knows that this game won't change much at 8.0. It didn't changed that much at 7.0, nor 6.0, not even at 5.0, 4.0 or 3.0. Only time we saw a really drastic change was from 1.0 to 2.0.

And is well-known that Japanese is resistant to changes. Specially drastic changes, more if the product is a good chunk of S-E earnings.

So, don't expect anything beyond incremental changes at 8.0. You'll be disappointed otherwise.

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Japanese companies tend to be resistant to changes unless there's a scandal or a severe blow to their money chest

Yea, I'm leaving soon too

As someone who has been here since 1.0 beta, if 8.0 is just more of the same, esp since the quality of the same has been plummeting for years now, I have already made the decision that I will be gone. I am right now having way more fun and am enjoying interacting with the community in FFXI and WoW than I have had here in years, since both feel like they are in freefall in FFXIV. I stuck with them through 1.0 and all the ups and down since, but the downs are drastically outweighing the ups and I just do not feel like there is even a point to anything in this game anymore. It's a sad day when their 23 year old mmo is in better shape, making better improvements and have a better relationship with the player base than their 15 year old one.

Have been with FFXIV since 1.0 beta and after how bad this expansion I have no plans buying any more of them.