Cultural-Appropriate Voice Actors in Dawntrail, for once.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

that says nothing at all about how it first started...

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

I'm lazy so here's a snippet from Wikipedia:

https://i.imgur.com/yCD8tak.png

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Fucking "Latin@" Hahahahahaha is this real

Also "Latinx" sounds like something Elon Musk would come up with to name one of his factories in Mexico or some shit. Absolutely horrid word

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

So, just to stir this stupid pot even more, I was under the impression that the term 'Latinx' was created by Latin Americans themselves. Is that not correct?

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From what I understand it was created by one singular man who is Hispanic (I think a professor at Berkley but I'm probably wrong about that), and has been *roundly* and *thoroughly* rejected by millions upon millions of other Hispanics for being a linguistic abomination.

It was a long time ago that I'd heard my info on its origins, and someone Puerto Rican sounds right. But yeah, trying to track down the invention of a word like that is really tricky. In any event, it's a wholly invented word, and certainly hasn't been embraced by the people it's used to describe, to say the least. There's a fair few terms like that that have some use in limited circles that should stay in those limited circles rather than having people try to smuggle them out and apply them wholesale to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Router

Fucking "Latin@" Hahahahahaha is this real

Also "Latinx" sounds like something Elon Musk would come up with to name one of his factories in Mexico or some shit. Absolutely horrid word

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For some reason the word always makes me think its for some brand new brand face tissues, instead of Kleenex, its Latinx.

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Originally Posted by Astronis

It was a long time ago that I'd heard my info on its origins, and someone Puerto Rican sounds right. But yeah, trying to track down the invention of a word like that is really tricky. In any event, it's a wholly invented word, and certainly hasn't been embraced by the people it's used to describe, to say the least. There's a fair few terms like that that have some use in limited circles that should stay in those limited circles rather than having people try to smuggle them out and apply them wholesale to everyone.

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Agreed.

I think it's likely it is an academic term initially as well. I would say that trying to categorize an entire people with the term isn't a great idea, especially when words already exist to cover the meaning. I initially thought that Latinx would refer to a non-binary Latin American people, which would make more sense in my mind, and could be appropriate.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

- the use of Latinx. I'm not a native english/spanish speaker, but from what I understood, that word is not liked, if not openly hated by the people it's supposed to describe. It also doesn't make much sense from a linguistic point of view (-nx ending never happens and don't sound good in spanish). It's basically seen as some intellectuals that are not part of their community forcing on them a word they don't recognise and don't like. It's talking about inclusion and respect of people identity... with a word they they feel represented by and hate. The irony is strong in this one.

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No community is a monolith, but "Latinx" was invented by members of said community. It was intended for print/text, like signs of protest, in which the 'o' in "latino" was crossed out (almost never "latina", since "latino" is traditionally used as the neuter being protested), usually with a red 'x'. Because many people lack this context (including Wikipedia, apparently), and don't understand that it was never intended for spoken language, the word is indeed contentious. "Latine" sees some use, and doesn't have the same grammatical pitfalls.

I don't care to see "latinx" myself in conversation, but I think it has its place in activism. And its apparent unpopularity, in general, is also simple math; queer and gender non-conforming people are a minority within the minority in question (whose community is largely socially conservative). Its naysayers are often the same sort of people who refuse to use singular they/them in English. What many of these people actually object to is non-traditional gender identity, using pedantry as a shield to hide what their outrage is really about.

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Originally Posted by Turnintino

No community is a monolith, but "Latinx" was invented by members of said community. It was intended for print/text, like signs of protest, in which the 'o' in "latino" was crossed out (almost never "latina", since "latino" is traditionally used as the neuter being protested), usually with a red 'x'. Because many people lack this context (including Wikipedia, apparently), and don't understand that it was never intended for spoken language, the word is indeed contentious. "Latine" sees some use, and doesn't have the same grammatical pitfalls.

I don't care to see "latinx" myself in conversation, but I think it has its place in activism. And its apparent unpopularity, in general, is also simple math; queer and gender non-conforming people are a minority within the minority in question (whose community is largely socially conservative). Its naysayers are often the same sort of people who refuse to use singular they/them in English. What many of these people actually object to is non-traditional gender identity, using pedantry as a shield to hide what their outrage is really about.

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Thank for this, the word makes more sense with this context.

DO NOT call them Latinx....! latinos will destroy you .....

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...02/388/677/e72

Endwalker had this too. Sena is a moron.

Also just read the tweet...Latinx..no one says that.

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Originally Posted by Turnintino

And its apparent unpopularity, in general, is also simple math.

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No, it unpopular cause it sound like it was made by some white activist in the US, since as you said, it not intended to work with spoken language. Also, as someone who speak french, another gendered language, trust me, adding more exception to how we conjugates nouns/adjectives is not only anoying, it also open another can of worms. Our determinant are also gendered, what do we do now? create gender neutral ones?

At that point it just a convoluted''solution'' for a problem we never had, Hell we already made neuter conjugate like Masculine words, to avoid this whole thing in the first place.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...34/167/8a3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Benjo

The cast is really diverse this time around.]

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So many popular anime VAs here! We got jotaro/erwin/sebastian. We got tobio/naofumi. We got einar. We got thors/bond forgor. Such a good casting for the jp VA!

-.- ..... Dios ....

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Originally Posted by Medodo

Latinx

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https://media.tenor.com/fWO3QXyUIagA...rother-uhh.gif

I love that Spencer Ortega is just chill, no nonsense on his feed, just playing into the role and staying out of drama

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Originally Posted by Turnintino

I don't care to see "latinx" myself in conversation, but I think it has its place in activism.

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I'll give it you straight chief.

If the "activism" involves ruining a language that is not their native one, they can can it.

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Originally Posted by Turnintino

And its apparent unpopularity, in general, is also simple math; queer and gender non-conforming people are a minority within the minority in question (whose community is largely socially conservative). Its naysayers are often the same sort of people who refuse to use singular they/them in English. What many of these people actually object to is non-traditional gender identity, using pedantry as a shield to hide what their outrage is really about.

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...but of course, the reason why it's unpopular it's not because it sounds like nails on a chalkboard for the native spanish speaker, and downright nonsensical... it's because the latinos hate the the people with labels.

I'll leave aside the borderline xenophobic generalization, but really... if people were capable of some degree of self awareness, they'd maybe, just maybe, realize it's not a matter of bigotry, but rather, a matter of finding the whole matter annoying.

Is not about their identity, it's about them not colonizing our language.

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Originally Posted by Medodo

Latinx

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https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...JcsKY/200.webp

As far as voice acting goes, I only care about voices being done well. Gender, nationality, culture etc. don't matter to me.
This expansion I switched to Japanese audio. I barely understand half of it, but at least now the character's voices are all spot-on and carry weight and emotions the way I like again.

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Originally Posted by Xelanar

As far as voice acting goes, I only care about voices being done well. Gender, nationality, culture etc. don't matter to me.
This expansion I switched to Japanese audio. I barely understand half of it, but at least now the character's voices are all spot-on and carry weight and emotions the way I like again.

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The Mamool Ja VAs, bar Gulool Ja Ja, were pretty good in EN, as was Raha, but everybody else... either something weird happened with the director or nobody could be assed that month.

Did they hire japanese born actors who happen to speak english for stormblood (for the kugane/azim steppe characters)?
How about Ul'dah? Did they hire people born in near east/Afrika for the ul'dah characters?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Play in Japanese.

I mean, this is a troll thread but I'll take any excuse to urge people to just use the Japanese dub.

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I think the EU language dubs are also quite good.

I'm from latin america and I hate that latinx term so much

It sounds so dumb, like we are an airline or something

Eleven. Pages. Of replies.

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Originally Posted by klu

Eleven. Pages. Of replies.

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And now 109 replies...what was your point?

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Originally Posted by Antharaes

And now 109 replies...what was your point?

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We're goin' for 12 pages!

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

We're goin' for 12 pages!

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Hell yes!!!

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Originally Posted by Rekh

Did they hire japanese born actors who happen to speak english for stormblood (for the kugane/azim steppe characters)?
How about Ul'dah? Did they hire people born in near east/Afrika for the ul'dah characters?

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I like it when Hien and Yugiri say Gōsetsu with the long ō sound.

I don't think the person has to be native, but they have to nail the accent. That's like bare minimum. I was watching the trailer for Monaco 2 and the guy was doing so well with his English accent until he pronounced 'plan' as "plawn" and it's just... No. Should have done a retake on that line. That's awful. Terrible. Same with Overwatch, Genji has an authentic Japanese accent while Hanzo clearly does not, and Torbjörn is doing Scottish, I don't know how anyone tries to pass that off as Swedish. Brigitte has a real Swedish accent though.

Basically, just get talented actors who can actually do the role. If that means using native VOs then by all means, but it's the end result that matters, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Vinter

I like it when Hien and Yugiri say Gōsetsu with the long ō sound.

I don't think the person has to be native, but they have to nail the accent. That's like bare minimum. I was watching the trailer for Monaco 2 and the guy was doing so well with his English accent until he pronounced 'plan' as "plawn" and it's just... No. Should have done a retake on that line. That's awful. Terrible. Same with Overwatch, Genji has an authentic Japanese accent while Hanzo clearly does not, and Torbjörn is doing Scottish, I don't know how anyone tries to pass that off as Swedish. Brigitte has a real Swedish accent though.

Basically, just get talented actors who can actually do the role. If that means using native VOs then by all means, but it's the end result that matters, nothing else.

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What hispanic country is Tural based on? Every region in south america/caribbean has a different accent and way of pronouncing words.
That's the problem you run into with south america/caribbean.

Moreover, just because Hien can pronounce the o with an u in it doesn't mean he sounded like a japanese speaking english though. Far from it; he sounded nothing like a native japanese who speaks english. You can disagree but that's when I'll start getting sources to prove my point.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

What hispanic country is Tural based on? Every region in south america/caribbean has a different accent and way of pronouncing words.
That's the problem you run into with south america/caribbean.

Moreover, just because Hien can pronounce the o with an u in it doesn't mean he sounded like a japanese speaking english though. Far from it; he sounded nothing like a native japanese who speaks english. You can disagree but that's when I'll start getting sources to prove my point.

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I'll thank you for not speaking for us.

I haven't been the only one mentioning that Poochie's VA sounds fake.

If you don't know anything about how inflections are shared despite of accent differences between dialects among south american countries, well, I'll put it in a way you'd understand:

Stay in your lane.

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Originally Posted by Midare

I'll thank you for not speaking for us.

I haven't been the only one mentioning that Poochie's VA sounds fake.

If you don't know anything about how inflections are shared despite of accent differences between dialects among south american countries, well, I'll put it in a way you'd understand:

Stay in your lane.

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I know the differences when it comes to spanish on a native level more than you do. You must be one of those who think everyone in south america/caribbean speaks spanish the same way that you do because you haven't traveled outside of your own region to know.

Someone from mexico and someone from cuba sound distinctly different when speaking spanish and specially when speaking english.

I advise you to watch less novelas and actually travel.

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Originally Posted by Rekh

I know the differences when it comes to spanish on a native level more than you do.

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You, an american, know my area of the world and language better than me, someone born, raise and living here.

Yeah... it checks out for someone I've seen complaining about "white europeans".

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Originally Posted by Rekh

You must be one of those who think everyone in south america/caribbean speaks spanish the same way that you do because you haven't traveled outside of your own region to know.

Someone from mexico and someone from cuba sound distinctly different when speaking spanish and specially when speaking english.

I advise you to watch less novelas and actually travel.

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First, I'll suggest you google the definition of inflection.

Second, I suggest you speak to actual south americans instead of descendants.

And third, improve your baiting, you're slacking.

When did I say I was american?

Viaja; no sabes nada y deberia darte verguenza. (Travel, you should be embarrassed)
Que me vas a decir ahora? Que alguien de inglaterra y alguien de america (estados unidos) suenan igual hablando ingles? (What's next? american and british actors sound the same now? warer and wat err are two different inflections. And the inflections get even wilder when the speakers are from different languages and countries).

Latinx is basically a slur please don't use it thank you

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Originally Posted by Rekh

When did I say I was american?

Viaja; no sabes nada y deberia darte verguenza. (Travel, you should be embarrassed)
Que me vas a decir ahora? Que alguien de inglaterra y alguien de america (estados unidos) suenan igual hablando ingles? (What's next? american and british actors sound the same now? warer and wat err are two different inflections. And the inflections get even wilder when the speakers are from different languages and countries).

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Si no eres americano, entonces deja de usar los mismos débiles argumentos de ellos que apestan a problemas de primer mundo (if you're not american, stop using the same arguments as them that reek of first world issues).

Y por el amor de dios, informate sobre la diferencia entre "acento" e "inflexiones", porque es la tercera vez que hago esa distinción y todavía no lo entiendes. (And for the love of god, inform yourself about the difference between "accents" and "inflections", because it's the third time I make this distinction and you still don't get it.)

My college uses the x ending for any of its Latino club promotions, highlighting community member, and such lol.

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Originally Posted by Midare

Si no eres americano, entonces deja de usar los mismos débiles argumentos de ellos que apestan a problemas de primer mundo (if you're not american, stop using the same arguments as them that reek of first world issues).

Y por el amor de dios, informate sobre la diferencia entre "acento" e "inflexiones", porque es la tercera vez que hago esa distinción y todavía no lo entiendes. (And for the love of god, inform yourself about the difference between "accents" and "inflections", because it's the third time I make this distinction and you still don't get it.)

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You don't even have a clue what the word means. A cuban and a mexican saying the word "water" and/or as distinction to "waters" have different inflections and sometimes, oftentimes there's no distinction in how they modify the same word to refer to its other uses.

Online you can look smug and say "heh bait used to be believable" and no one will no you're talking to yourself behind the monitor and have childlike discernment skills

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Originally Posted by Rekh

You don't even have a clue what the word means. A cuban and a mexican saying the word "water" and/or as distinction to "waters" have different inflections and sometimes, oftentimes there's no distinction in how they modify the same word to refer to its other uses.

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That's a matter of pronuciation, which is related to accent.

I said inflections. Here, I'll help you out since apparently googling it's too hard.

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the modulation of intonation or pitch in the voice.

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Here, even in spanish:

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Elevación o atenuación que se hace con la voz, quebrándola o pasando de un tono a otro.

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And also, stop conflating caribbean with south america. Learn basic geography and that many caribbean countries don't even speak spanish.