Ninja, do we need it?

Ninjas make everything better, that is all.

Why would we not want ninja?? O_o what are you people high?

I would like Ninja and all other proper jobs in all honesty. I am not a fan of the build your own class thing as I just feel it dilutes everything and makes none of the classes special in their own way like a proper jobs system does.

*casts Barfira*

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Originally Posted by Moth

Why would we not want ninja?? O_o what are you people high?

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Nobody said no to Ninja. We just don't want more blink tanking tomfoolery.

Besides, "Assassin" is already in the .dats, so unless they decide to terminate that class permanently, it's pretty much nearly a given that it'll be the defacto ninja/thief mix.

Nephera .... I love your SIG. :D

I agree to adding ninja not as a tank, but as a damager. I think that was really stupid of FFXI to have Ninja tanking. I wanted to show off some Nin/Thf skillz but it was never good

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Originally Posted by Evangela

do not count Naruto as a ninja

it's like using Son Goku as a model of Monk

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Lol yea, Naruto 'ninjas' are a disgrace to the name. What kind of ninja wears an orange sweatsuit.... NONE!

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Originally Posted by Reika

I agree to adding ninja not as a tank, but as a damager. I think that was really stupid of FFXI to have Ninja tanking. I wanted to show off some Nin/Thf skillz but it was never good

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Then you should have been a "Thief with /nin".....wait nvm. It still was pretty bad. They didn't give any love to thieves in FF11 after a few expansions. :/

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Originally Posted by Abriael

They gave ninja enemity plus equipment much later in development simply because they assessed that forcing people to change roles after they covered them for quite a while would have caused problems. It has nothing to do with SE WANTING ninja to tank.

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What is "much later"? US release? LOL.

There was one patch forever ago saying something like "enmity will now be lost when a shadow image from utsusemi is absorbed". Everyone was freaking out saying NIN wasn't a tank. If SE didn't want NIN to tank that's all they would have to have done. Just like they changed the enmity on BRD songs and DRK spells much later to gimp NIN/BRD and NIN/DRK.

They could have done anything they wanted dude nothing was stopping them lol. It's pretty obvious they didn't care about "covering" for anything when they gimped DRG and RNG.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

having too many tank-capable classes is redundant

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K, this is some failed logic. We have GLA, and PUG. For DD we have MRD LNC and ARC along with CON and THM who can also support and heal. Adding any class would be redundant LOL. We don't "really need" anything. THM can solo Dodore. A good GLA and like 2 THMs can kill Great Buffalo with DoTs.

Just because you only need 1 tank to kill something doesn't mean their should only be 1 job that can do it, I. E. one excelling at something the others were bad at and vice-versa.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

do not count Naruto as a ninja
it's like using Son Goku as a model of Monk

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...but FFXI monks can charge for 3 minutes to unleash a super charged chi blast...

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Originally Posted by Visch

What is "much later"? US release? LOL.

There was one patch forever ago saying something like "enmity will now be lost when a shadow image from utsusemi is absorbed". Everyone was freaking out saying NIN wasn't a tank. If SE didn't want NIN to tank that's all they would have to have done. Just like they changed the enmity on BRD songs and DRK spells much later to gimp NIN/BRD and NIN/DRK.

They could have done anything they wanted dude nothing was stopping them lol. It's pretty obvious they didn't care about "covering" for anything when they gimped DRG and RNG.



K, this is some failed logic. We have GLA, and PUG. For DD we have MRD LNC and ARC along with CON and THM who can also support and heal. Adding any class would be redundant LOL. We don't "really need" anything. THM can solo Dodore. A good GLA and like 2 THMs can kill Great Buffalo with DoTs.

Just because you only need 1 tank to kill something doesn't mean their should only be 1 job that can do it, I. E. one excelling at something the others were bad at and vice-versa.

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Innin and the enmity ability one was made mid 2009 i guess.
The bard thing it was because SE can fix the song enmity, but them can't fix others spells because with them nin can tank and their don't want that. Example: NIN/DRK use stun, souleater, others spells, if SE adjust those spells any other class could just spam souleater/stun without winning hate making pld job really easy. Pretty much the same with provoke, if their adjust provoke enmity because with that nin can tank on exp party, pld will get fucked.

I want to be able to assassinate other players...

I'm all for more classes in general.

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Originally Posted by vax

Innin and the enmity ability one was made mid 2009 i guess.
The bard thing it was because SE can fix the song enmity, but them can't fix others spells because with them nin can tank and their don't want that. Example: NIN/DRK use stun, souleater, others spells, if SE adjust those spells any other class could just spam souleater/stun without winning hate making pld job really easy. Pretty much the same with provoke, if their adjust provoke enmity because with that nin can tank on exp party, pld will get fucked.

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What are you talking about? They did gimp NIN/DRK later.

And obviously I didn't mean yonin/innin, more like the Arhat's set (which pretty sure it was out on US release), Yasha set, and NIN 50 JSE that came with CoP (2004).