Please stop alienating the playerbase with job total reworks

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

"If people don't blindly agree with me, they're dismissing my opiniopn"

Two can play this silly game.



Not going to bother with this one. IF you're so illustrious, then pray tell what difference did GL uptime make for monks compared to literally every other melee class, other than being punished considerably harder than other melees during downtimes. GL uptimes was one of the main complaints prior to rework but, apparently, that didn't seem to be the case according to you.

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Why is there a talking clodsire the thread? Why are they a gunbreaker main? I have many questions.

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Originally Posted by rawker

Now let's see them drastically change a job you loved so much just to appease another.

You are saying this because the current SMN fits your criteria. The main problem that bas been discussed here is that an entire playerbase, mind you who are also paying for subs, is that they are no longer represented. If the game didn't introduce pet systems from the get go, it will not attract people who like it. But the thing is, they did implement a pet system. It survived 4 expansions... then all of a sudden, they have completely removed it so abruptly just because what?

That is something lovers of current SMN will never understand.

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Oh, you mean when they removed Thunder from Arcanist in patch 2.1? When they decided Gladiator's suddenly forgot how to use Daggers? When White Mages and Black Mages stopped getting one-handed weapons and Shields? When Protect and Shell were removed? Or when they implemented Red Mage in 4.0 but as a DPS instead of the Healer I had played it as in FFXI? When they removed Dark Knight's ability to use all of HP, MP, and TP and individual resources to fuel different aiblities? WHen they removed Flash from Paladin? When I could no longer create a Jank Paladin, before Jobs even existed, by cross-classing up Protect and Cure and Stoneskin?
Yeah no, I DO understand.

They killed the Class I immediately fell in love with at the relaunch, and then they deleted its long-rotting corpse and replaced it with a different Class, a different Job, one that carries the soul in a new body.

As for your 'paying for subs' quip, my subscription is currently at 3,750 days, so we can set subscriptions aside with this conversation. Especially since only active subscribers can even post here.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Once again, no one is saying jobs should never be changed ever, the point is that the dev team should at least acknowledge the feedback from the current playerbase of the job instead of changing the whole thing without warning and going "Meh, they would've quit anyway".

Also, it was very much possible to give SMN the flashy summons to make them "feel like a summoner" (whatever that means) without completely deleting pet management and DoTs.

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Old SMN didn't actually have pet management. Everquest Magician and Necro have pet management, FFXIV had skills cast by proxy. The pet didn't do anything but auto attack and you used skills on your hotbar with your cooldowns that were activated at the pets location.

Another problem with how SE has approached reworks is that each one has either been luke warm or extreme, and is never placed within the range of player feed back to spefici abilities or issues with ping. And I wonder if Yoshida has noticed how circular the issues with XIV are, from C/V to Sync'd content, to these major changes. Like we keep coming back to the core systems of XIV everytime we talk about issues in any part of the game and it makes me wonder how we'd be looking at things if XIV at it's core wasn't was bland and disjointed.

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Oh, you mean when they removed Thunder from Arcanist in patch 2.1? When they decided Gladiator's suddenly forgot how to use Daggers? When White Mages and Black Mages stopped getting one-handed weapons and Shields? When Protect and Shell were removed? Or when they implemented Red Mage in 4.0 but as a DPS instead of the Healer I had played it as in FFXI? When they removed Dark Knight's ability to use all of HP, MP, and TP and individual resources to fuel different aiblities? WHen they removed Flash from Paladin? When I could no longer create a Jank Paladin, before Jobs even existed, by cross-classing up Protect and Cure and Stoneskin?
Yeah no, I DO understand.

They killed the Class I immediately fell in love with at the relaunch, and then they deleted its long-rotting corpse and replaced it with a different Class, a different Job, one that carries the soul in a new body.

As for your 'paying for subs' quip, my subscription is currently at 3,750 days, so we can set subscriptions aside with this conversation. Especially since only active subscribers can even post here.

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Were the changes you have mentioned as drastic as completely shoving an archetype aside for oversimplification? I find it rather absurd and insulting to compare it with those you listed as it pales in comparisson with they have done with SMN.

As for the subs, be it 60 days or 3650 days, there could be a plethora of reasons for the parity between the # days subscribed but it doesn't take away the voice of those who have less.

Bottom-line for my entire argument is that the game started with SMN being a pet job and drew in players like me to it. It survived for 4 expansions and then got shoved for an insulting oversimplified kit.

Pst... uhh... these reworked jobs are being played more than ever, and because of that... as far as the devs are concerned, they feel they did right. So... yeah... get use to it or move on to another game, these changes are definitely going to continue...

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Pst... uhh... these reworked jobs are being played more than ever, and because of that... as far as the devs are concerned, they feel they did right. So... yeah... get use to it or move on to another game, these changes are definitely going to continue...

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And as countless people have said... not because it is great but because it is simple and smooth brain.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Pst... uhh... these reworked jobs are being played more than ever, and because of that... as far as the devs are concerned, they feel they did right. So... yeah... get use to it or move on to another game, these changes are definitely going to continue...

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Introducing new job in 7.0 GOD

You take no damage, you can’t be killed and you one shot the savage boss with 100% accuracy

What you mean balance, the job is popular so it must be the right decision right

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Introducing new job in 7.0 GOD

You take no damage, you can’t be killed and you one shot the savage boss with 100% accuracy

What you mean balance, the job is popular so it must be the right decision right

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Jokes on you, the god job is already in the game and it wields an axe.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Pst... uhh... these reworked jobs are being played more than ever, and because of that... as far as the devs are concerned, they feel they did right. So... yeah... get use to it or move on to another game, these changes are definitely going to continue...

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Pst... you know how they could make those jobs played even more? Turn everything into one button.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Pst... uhh... these reworked jobs are being played more than ever, and because of that... as far as the devs are concerned, they feel they did right. So... yeah... get use to it or move on to another game, these changes are definitely going to continue...

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If you tell people they would get paid for zero work at their jobs, people would never take off. Crazy.

For me Monk was the biggest letdown. As a Tank and Healer main since ARR I rarely played DPS, I would usually stick to Monk when I had to play DPS. That being said I could play any job to a decent enough level. However Monk was always my favourite, it was fast, hit hard and oyu got rewarded heavily for doing the posiitonals right.

When the Tornado kick meta came along I started to lose hope in the job as it felt counter intuitive. Riddle of Fire slowing the job down was also kinda disappointing.

Once Shadowbringers came out however and I got to level 76 and unlocked Riddle of Wind Greased Lightning 4 the job felt absolutely sensational again. This was perfect for me. It was here that the job reminded me of DBZ. You started out as a SSJ with GL3. Later by popping Riddle of Fire you Increased your damage but lost speed, but like the pumped SSJ in the Cell Saga. When level 76 we became Gohan, hitting that GL4 or SSJ2, getting more power without the loss of speed. This to me was peak Monk, a super fast powerful brawler.

The only issue Monk had at this point was the boss models being far too big. Yoshi mistook that for people not liking positionals when what we didn't like was every boss turning every 2 seconds to do every mechanic with their massive hitbox rings always moving away. [a major issue I have with Tanks atm, they need to let Tanks control the boss positional again]

Instead we got the current wet mess of a Monk job that just feels boring to play. The Master Gauge is unlocked with PB at level 50 but doesn't do anything but ruin your rotation until level 60. Anatman does nothing, most positionals are removed and has you pretending they still exist to get any enjoyment with the new riddle of wind being an absolute joke of a button. At the very least Anatman should freeze and reset your Twin Snakes buff, form shift you and also recharge your Chakra at the same time, currently you are choosing which you want to keep and 99% of the time you just get your chakra back and form shift as saving one easily replaced buff isnt worth it.

To me, having to completely rework a job just shows that the team working on it doesn't understand the job. Granted, we aren't going like Bard is going to switch out bow for harp, but still, how hard is it to keep up with a design philosophy?

I think Summoner is moving in the right direction. At first, they wanted it to be knock off Warlock from Wow, but now I feel like I'm actually summoning things.

To me, it just makes you as a company look bad. Like New Coke changing what isn't broken for no reason and having to go back square one. I'd fire you if you worked for me, is all I'm saying

In saying that, I am pro job simplicity. A Warrior does Warrior stuff a Dark Knight does Dark Knight stuff. I get some things have to overlap, but I want them to feel unique in their own ways while staying true to what the job describes itself as.