XIV's loot system is so alt-unfriendly it's absurd.

Through Enwalker, my high-end raiding experience has only been casual Party Finder. Takes ages to prog, but it's fine - at least I can do in my own terms.

The loot system is so bad, though, because the same person can win everything at once, leaving the rest walking away just with the pity books. Yes, there is 'loot etiquette' of rolling left-to-right, but in my experience this never ends up well.

I wish we had a loot system option, set during party register, to block people from winning multiple things at once. This still doesn't solve being at the mercy of RNG outside of a static, but at the very least it allows more people to win something.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

You certainly CAN gear all jobs at the same time. As long as you don't insist on getting Best-in-Slot gear for all jobs anyway, but since nobody actually needs BiS gear, this is not a major restriction.

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There are tons of people playing for the raids and more specifically, getting higher on the DPS ranklist. One of the main reasons raids are still being run by veteran raiders after their 8 weeks clear.
Those players play an execute their rotation near perfection, so without BiS they'll be ranked lower then person A who do has BiS on the job in question.

It may not be a major restriction for you or me but it is for people who like to play at their best and trying to aim for topscores.

Also if you could roll per job once a week it won't make a difference for getting lucky with rolls. Everyone will just roll more and more greedily and get even more frustrated they didn't roll anything on their 8th try that week.

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

XIV is known as the MMO where you can play all jobs on the same character. And though that is technically true, at endgame, you certainly can't gear all jobs at the same time. Say you want to. Well currently the only real way is to make another character, go through the MSQ, level a given job to max, unlock everything, and gear enough so that you can now do savage on that other character. All that sorta kills the point of being able to play multiple jobs on one character, at least for a lot of people.

Only being able to get as many tomestones a week as it takes to buy one single non-chest or leg piece is just needless timegating. Taking two weeks to get chest/legs is even weirder. Why do those pieces of gear need to cost that many tomestones? It's not like they make an outsized impact in your item level, it's not like they have more materia slots or bonus effects. While we're on the topic of tomestone gear, frankly they should just cut the cost of all tomes gear down to about a third of what it is currently. That way you wouldn't have to play the game 3X as much as you do now, you'd just be able to actually gear multiple roles at the same time.

As for savage. I almost couldn't come up with a more restrictive loot system. Why can i only get one clear per week total? Why not one clear per role? Or why not let me get one actual piece of loot per week per role? And why not let those lockouts stack? So if you don't get a piece of loot from Archadion 2 as a melee for the first three weeks of a tier, you can swap to melee and clear Archadion 2 three times as a reaper and bam, you're geared.

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The first person to respond to you made me laugh my ass off and i thought of something.... you didnt' play 11 before they nerfed the hell out of it did you? Doing Dyna or HNM's once a week for example... "queing" in a list in your linkshell to be the next person to get that one drop (which means it'll prolly be a month... or more... before you're up for the drop off "so and so" HNM).... taking a YEAR or so checking drops off your paper list of gear you're trying to get. And you're complaining about one piece a WEEK? LOLOLOLOLOL

As someone who was present at FFXI NA launch (did the beta, got the free PS2 HDD) I feel like I need to remind you that build of the game was almost a quarter century ago. I know, dude... I see Valkurm and Qufim in my mind too but you gotta let it go.

Back to present day, this is indeed a problem with modern design. The big problem is how much it clashes with the job system, the lock out and the way content is designed (less but higher quality fights) in XIV.

Feels like fixing raid qualms with loot would go a long way in getting more bodies and more repeat runs which is what XIV needs big time. I say this as I wait for my group to form !

Just make alt gear a small grind, people want a grind but you don't wanna bug the casuals with it: here you go.

Please make capped tome gear cheaper. It's all too expensive.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I love how when the discussion is about making something easier or more realistic to grind out if someone wants to, the response is "but then people will leave because they'll get all their stuff and stop playing!" And somehow, at the same time, when the conversation is about returning a longer grind for something like the relic weapon, then the response suddenly changes to "but then no one will do it because no one wants to grind it!"

Make it make sense, people.

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Anything to protect the status quo. Its sickening. When someone wants change the final classic defense comes in: "Well if you dont like it. Go play another game"

Here is Mao take on this: If the gameplay is funs, won't matter if is grind or no grind. Peoples will still come to play. Now if the gameplay is NOT funs, peoples will complain and maybe stop playing, grind or no grind. Everyones must ask self this question: Is having funs?

I like casual gameplay, generally.
My general complaint with xiv is taking an alt through msq to farm a "current" map and not being able to share my house with my alt. It is weird to me this is not a function available to us. Weird and annoying really.

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

Imagine how much more you'd play if you could actually gear your warrior, sage, dragoon, bard, and red mage all at the same time all on the same character. Not only that, imagine you were a tank in your static. For one reason or another, one of your melees left the static and you have a friend who only plays tanks and wants to join. Now you can gear up your reaper super fast, swap roles, and invite your tank friend to fill.

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Devil's advocate: Now I want you to imagine a world where the majority of the playerbase doesn't fit within that spec, even among savage raiders. It's this world. Almost no one is in that hypothetical situation. Almost no one plays one of every single class - you're lucky if you get someone who knows how to both dps and support. Vast majority of folks put a class on the shelf when it hits level cap and go back to their main, so why should we make gear so easy to access? To make savage raids easy? Because that's all it'd accomplish. Remember, savage drops coffers that can be used on any class, so loot lockouts have to happen per character, not class. And if you suggest removing coffers as a solution and just dropping regular gear then you missed your boat: That's how raid loot used to be done and it sucked.

Can't balance savage around that easier-to-obtain gear either because then you couldn't play it on launch like you can with crafted pentamelds. So maybe remove tome gear or make it the same ilvl as the crafted gear so savage isn't made easy in this new hypothetical world? Well, removing the tome gear or lowering its ilvl for balance purposes in the first place removes the power scaling that gives you a tangible sense of progression, cuts the available ilvl730 gear pool in half which in turn gives you less build diversity in a game that desperately lacks it already, and dulls people's motivation to play the game in regular intervals which means SE loses subscribers from a business sense. The deeper you get into your proposed changes, the more dysfunctional it becomes.

So now we're back to a raid gear system that is miles above what it used to be in older expansions (a nightmare). Why not just give everyone BiS and an ice cream for clearing the tier at this rate? Or why change the current system at all? Maybe the issues with your gameplay satisfaction run far deeper than any gear system could ever hope to compensate for. In short - it's complicated. Devil's advocate, of course. I really have no horse in the race.

Proposal: We need a new gear system, and more options for gear and ways to farm those different options. Tome or raid or bust is the current system with a few patchjob crafted sets in there and that's it. If anything we need more gear options. Then comes item bloat and inventory problems and ig this is just an infinite loop \o/ idk I give up

I wouldn't mind a system where if you get at least half of the cap of tomestones each week that by the end of the month you get a token for a free tomestone accessory or a boost on stones just enough to buy an accessory. It's a tiny nudge, but it would help with gearing alts.

Kinda like a monthly version of WonderTails?

As someone who just started messing around in WoW, I cannot express how much I like doing something like unlocking a mount, a piece of glam or pet on one character and having it unlock account wide. That is just beautiful. And now with Warbands your reputation is shared, holy hell would I love not to have to do the beast tribes on all characters, esp as boring and poorly implemented as they are, locking you to only 12 a day with no changes to speed. I would still have plenty to do on my alts, like making relics, leveling and what not, but without the lesser, more tedious grinds that makes me want to make fewer alts, and I use alts to fill time in dry spells instead of unsubbing.

Idc about gear, but some of this other stuff should def be shared.

Sadly all they ever respond with is "the code is a mess" and we just have to suck it up, it's dumb but they use the excuse for everything, while other mmo's can do so much more.

I would argue make old dungeons a content you can do for gear. Something like wow but I think wow has an over abundance of loot in comparison too ff 14, but you can always do something hard or challenging content wise and chase the dungeon gear pieces you want.. Final has almost nothing of that sort, like I wish we had a dungeon rotation min ilvl and trashs and bosses are decently stronger but with max lvl something like faux hollow and for gear or more tomestones. I wish ff 14 and wow had a baby loot wise, like books from ff are super good and give you gear changes even if you don’t get gear some weeks and weekly stones are way too little but still nice and then wow has no possibility getting this one piece you want from a boss if you aren’t lucky at all but has gear options and fun content in tandem.