[Graphical Update] Viera Nose

Please keep the viera nose. It's important to me.

I think the graphical update so far looks good, but that is something I noticed. As someone who is a male viera, I wasn't too excited about the changes made to the nose - it looks a tad darker than what was originally there.

There is an option in the character customization to give the character a darker nose like that but I don't use it, and I wonder if in the second picture they enabled that option and if not, what would that option look like with the update?

I suppose once it's out I'll have to see what it looks like under different lighting.

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Originally Posted by CVXIV

I think the graphical update so far looks good, but that is something I noticed. As someone who is a male viera, I wasn't too excited about the changes made to the nose - it looks a tad darker than what was originally there.

There is an option in the character customization to give the character a darker nose like that but I don't use it, and I wonder if in the second picture they enabled that option and if not, what would that option look like with the update?

I suppose once it's out I'll have to see what it looks like under different lighting.

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The darker nose option that face has is already in use in the first image, i believe. They seem to have made it more stark, which I honestly like overall given that it barely existed before and looked more like he didn't wash his face properly rather than him actually having darker nose pigmentation. It's why I never used it when playing with the character creator before.

came here just to say we need to keep the viera bunny noses!

Please let us keep the bunnynose on female viera :(

I hope my nose doesn't suddenly turn brown..

Chiming in to say I agree! It's sad if such a distinct feature disappear. Please bring back the bunny nose!

The powers of suggestion. Propose a problem first and other will see the exact same problem and defend it in the exact same format buzz words included. Where were you when Viera were given plantigrade feet? Were were you when the Viera weren't given hats? Where were you when the Viera received normal hairstyles? Where were you when they were given an unnatural height dynamic?

Viera female's old "rabbit" nose really just looks like some cute paint she got at the local fair to look more like a wabbit or maybe she just woefully forgot to blend her nose contours because it's literally just a texture painted over an otherwise humanoid face (which is what viera are). The aesthetic also just translates poorly to the newer higher quality models. Doing away with harsh cartoonized features that were meant to add depth to the low poly models.

I'm the most content I've been since the initial release of the Viera. Different is not better. Better is better. For the first time since their release Female Viera were given a fair hand and it's being opposed because of predisposed novelty.

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

The powers of suggestion. Propose a problem first and other will see the exact same problem and defend it in the exact same format buzz words included. Where were you when Viera were given plantigrade feet? Were were you when the Viera weren't given hats? Where were you when the Viera received normal hairstyles? Where were you when they were given an unnatural height dynamic?

Viera female's old "rabbit" nose really just looks like some cute paint she got at the local fair to look more like a wabbit or maybe she just woefully forgot to blend her nose contours because it's literally just a texture painted over an otherwise humanoid face (which is what viera are). The aesthetic also just translates poorly to the newer higher quality models. Doing away with harsh cartoonized features that were meant to add depth to the low poly models.

I'm the most content I've been since the initial release of the Viera. Different is not better. Better is better. For the first time since their release Female Viera were given a fair hand and it's being opposed because of predisposed novelty.

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Unnatural height dynamic? IRL, rabbits have large females and small males, objecting to that is absolutely insane and especially so given that the max height difference is way less than in every other race but Lalafells. I wasn't here when they were added, but I was disappointed that they weren't digitigrade and generally less human (like 12 Viera) when I started playing. You are putting up hypotheticals purely to lash out at people who want to keep one of the few remaining animalistic aspects viera have left in 14.

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

The powers of suggestion. Propose a problem first and other will see the exact same problem and defend it in the exact same format buzz words included. Where were you when Viera were given plantigrade feet? Were were you when the Viera weren't given hats? Where were you when the Viera received normal hairstyles? Where were you when they were given an unnatural height dynamic?

Viera female's old "rabbit" nose really just looks like some cute paint she got at the local fair to look more like a wabbit or maybe she just woefully forgot to blend her nose contours because it's literally just a texture painted over an otherwise humanoid face (which is what viera are). The aesthetic also just translates poorly to the newer higher quality models. Doing away with harsh cartoonized features that were meant to add depth to the low poly models.

I'm the most content I've been since the initial release of the Viera. Different is not better. Better is better. For the first time since their release Female Viera were given a fair hand and it's being opposed because of predisposed novelty.

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My issue primarily lies with the fact that is is a very obvious discrepancy. MViera still have that feature, while FViera it looks completely removed. If they both ended up not having it in the "updated" look, I might not have made this thread in the first place.

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

harsh cartoonized features that were meant to add depth to the low poly models.

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i, too, hate it when things have art direction and aesthetic sensibilities instead of sharing the same "hd" homogenized art direction with every AAA game ever released since 2013

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Originally Posted by chocotism

My issue primarily lies with the fact that is is a very obvious discrepancy. MViera still have that feature, while FViera it looks completely removed. If they both ended up not having it in the "updated" look, I might not have made this thread in the first place.

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Then we are of the same mind. I want the dirt removed from the new males. If the devs are feeling spicy they could just add a nose paint toggle for Viera. Honestly I don't care for it on either.

I also just signed up to the forums to add my voice to the feedback. If they want to leave it up to a toggleable option, that’s fine, but they shouldn’t do away with the bunny nose detail entirely. I also want to echo this point a few other posters have made here; Viera already have so few features to distinguish them from normal humans, which is a shame. All we have right now are the ears and the nose. The nose, even if it’s a small subtle detail, is one of the few defining features we even have of this race.

In the keynote they even specifically stated that they don’t want to change the characters or features too much, because they don’t want them to not look like the same characters anymore. Which is a great and noble goal, but these Viera changes are not in line with that goal at all.

I’m just hoping that the Viera are still heavily a work in progress and maybe they’re still figuring things out. But I don’t want to just leave that to chance without speaking up.

On a similar note, even though this topic is about the noses, I have a similar complaint about the eyes. They’ve changed the shape of the eyes entirely, widening/rounding them and taking away the detail on the inner corners. I loved the shape of the skin at the inner corners, to me it added just a little more “something” to the rabbitlike features. I’m very familiar with the face they used in the example because it’s the same face, nose, and eyes I’ve used on my main. I know the changes are small, but they’re significant enough to me that she doesn’t really look like the same person anymore, which is exactly what they said during the keynote that they didn’t want to do.

Hopefully the feedback here will reach the right people. These changes make me sad :(

I play Viera and I love the new nose, it seems like they made it more human-like which I really like as they look more natural, I hope they don't revert the changes.


In the worst case scenario they could give us both options because it's not fair to miss the opportunity of better looks.

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

Viera female's old "rabbit" nose really just looks like some cute paint she got at the local fair to look more like a wabbit or maybe she just woefully forgot to blend her nose contours because it's literally just a texture painted over an otherwise humanoid face (which is what viera are). The aesthetic also just translates poorly to the newer higher quality models. Doing away with harsh cartoonized features that were meant to add depth to the low poly models.

I'm the most content I've been since the initial release of the Viera. Different is not better. Better is better. For the first time since their release Female Viera were given a fair hand and it's being opposed because of predisposed novelty.

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Yes they are humanoid but so are the Miqo and they can keep their face stripes and the males still have their cheetah stripes under the eyes? I dont see where, taking away a racial feature from one race is fair, while they said they dont want to change the original idea too much.

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

The powers of suggestion. Propose a problem first and other will see the exact same problem and defend it in the exact same format buzz words included. Where were you when Viera were given plantigrade feet? Were were you when the Viera weren't given hats? Where were you when the Viera received normal hairstyles? Where were you when they were given an unnatural height dynamic?

Viera female's old "rabbit" nose really just looks like some cute paint she got at the local fair to look more like a wabbit or maybe she just woefully forgot to blend her nose contours because it's literally just a texture painted over an otherwise humanoid face (which is what viera are). The aesthetic also just translates poorly to the newer higher quality models. Doing away with harsh cartoonized features that were meant to add depth to the low poly models.

I'm the most content I've been since the initial release of the Viera. Different is not better. Better is better. For the first time since their release Female Viera were given a fair hand and it's being opposed because of predisposed novelty.

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You are running off the false assumption that getting the graphical update and Viera retaining a key racial feature are mutually exclusive. They are not. Their graphical update is not being opposed either, another false assumption you're trying to ram into the discussion. Its not harsh or cartoonized or it will add just as much depth to high poly as it does low poly because the poly count has nothing to do with it, its their racial features and the intent of their design. You seem to be making these untrue claims and assumptions on purpose at this point. People are worried that a critical aspect of viera identity is being removed after Viera appearances were already diluted with their inclusion into FFXIV from the other titles.. Trying to play it down with this talk of makeup contours is meaningless as thats not the ingame intent and you can talk like that about anything and everything.

Au Ra faced the same thing with the medial rings in their eyes, which the update made far too pronounced. The team listened to the feedback and adjusted accordingly. Infact this might just be a WIP thing, as the note on each image mentions the models are still being worked on.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I play Viera and I love the new nose, it seems like they made it more human-like which I really like as they look more natural, I hope they don't revert the changes.


In the worst case scenario they could give us both options because it's not fair to miss the opportunity of better looks.

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Its not natural to Viera though. This is like giving Au Ra human ear options alongside the horns. Its not an option because they arent humans, it doesnt work with their entire design intent and identity. Why play a rabbit race if you want humans? Its boring and bland. Their appearance has been diluted enough.

I'm begging you Yoshi P please don't take away our bunny nose. It's always been a trademark of the Viera race ever since FFXII.

I do not wish to lose my bunny nose or my eyes. Make it a toggle if you wish, like au ra soulless eyes, but I do not want to lose it. It's very important to my character.

I don't hang around forums too much, but I came to echo the sentiment of this thread - please don't take away our bunny noses. I don't have any super deep thoughts, I just like the detail and would be sad to see it gone.

my main character is a viera, and i'm really sad about this.

i really hope this was a bug that went unnoticed, or is a product of the lighting/shading, but part of me believes it's not. and i know a lot of people are saying "it's probably an option in character creator!" but wouldn't they specify that if it were the case? i really hope this isn't a situation of removing it from the fem models to better differentiate their qualities from the masc models, especially because fem models had it first and it's integral to my character's design now. it just makes their faces look closer to human, which takes away from the fantasy bunny race charm in my opinion. they look less unique without it. i could just play a hyur with the gold saucer bunny ears if i wanted a more human look.

additionally, if it is an option in character creator and it doesn't get put on our updated characters by default, it's going to feel real bad having to use the free fanta just to put the lighter nose shade back on.

definitely will consider a fanta to masc models and try to salvage my character's appearance if the nose tint is permanently removed from the fem models. sque please see this feedback and make changes!!!

Just trying to help make it heard but yes I was quite disappointed to see it toned down to the point where it's just not visible at all, even if it's just something that happens on darker skin tones like the one displayed it should still be there like it is now as this is just a change rather than a graphical improvement.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I play Viera and I love the new nose, it seems like they made it more human-like which I really like as they look more natural, I hope they don't revert the changes.


In the worst case scenario they could give us both options because it's not fair to miss the opportunity of better looks.

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They are a race of bunny-people, how is a "more human-like" nose "more natural"? They aren't humans XD

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Originally Posted by Ambarhaura

They are a race of bunny-people, how is a "more human-like" nose "more natural"? They aren't humans XD

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Everyone has a different level of threshold as to where the uncanny valley begins for them. What's a unique and interesting feature to one person can put a design deep into the uncanny valley for another. It's not a logical or informed thing, just subconscious.

Some people are weirded out by your typical catboy/catgirl design not having ears where humans got them, some people are weirded out by more bestial designs like the Hrothgar, some people are super distracted by the Elezen's long necks. Others are not. And by the same token some people may find the nose discolouration weird or distracting. Nothing really to argue about, it's just how people feel about it subconsciously. Which again is why the nose discolouration should be an optional toggle, with the default being switched on so that characters after the update look as close to what they looked to prior as possible.

And everyone who enjoys a less bunnny-like nose can then use their free fantasia to turn it off.

This is my first post here, I just had to come on and add my voice. Please don't take muh bunny nose! We didn't suffer years of hatlessness to look like the more Human-like races.

This is also my first post on the forum. I want to say how much I love my Viera's bunny nose and don't want to lose it. Our Viera noses are a very cute feature and add to the uniqueness of the race. Please let us keep our bunny noses! Thank you

Adding my voice to the chorus of despair over bunny noses. Please don’t take the bunny nose! It was the only thing about the graphics update I was disappointed to see!

To be honest, I was a little against the graphical update at first... But after looking at the two models I have to admit, the new updated version looks prettier overall.

I will have to wait until I can actually see these "changes" on my own Viera before judging. I am glad they are planning on giving us all a free Fantasia to play with all the new graphics customization.

Not gonna lie that I am a little excited after thinking about it for a bit.

I will be so sad if Viera lose their cute lil bunny nose ;; Don't take away the unique features of these races with animal attributes/features; that makes no sense! If we wanted to play one of the races without horns or tails or bunny ears, we would have.

I hope they add something to allow for this in the updates. I think it would be nice if they had the option to toggle it on or off. That way those who want to keep it can do so and those who don't can have what they want too. More options are always better in Character Creators!

Making my first post just to express my dissatisfaction regarding the female viera nose update. I don't mind if you can toggle that in character creator but the bunny type of nose is a core visual feature for viera. The human nose feels too odd on them. Viera are already lack other features from their original concept. Like their feet being just basic human feet. But I get it, old game, spaghetti code and all that, but the nose was such a tiny, simple yet very impactful feature. If devs are reading this please revert this change.

Please don't take away the pretty feature that Vieras have -which is the bunny detail on their nose- It's cute and while they're no viera of ff12 ( no spots on their ears or more viera type hair :/ ) It'd be nice if they still retained some feature unique to them, aside from the obvious ears

Maybe I'm just being dramatic but this seems to pretty much lend credit to the theory that some early cynics had of the updated models; that them being based on the hyur model is just so that they can homogenize them and make easy/faster for the team to design and fit gear on them.

Hopefully this gains even more traction, like the limbal rings one did to some effect.

Don't take my nose :/

Adding to this in hopes that the feedback will be seen like the Au Ra ones, Please don't take away the Viera nose highlight! :(

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Originally Posted by KuroMaboroshi

Everyone has a different level of threshold as to where the uncanny valley begins for them. What's a unique and interesting feature to one person can put a design deep into the uncanny valley for another. It's not a logical or informed thing, just subconscious.

Some people are weirded out by your typical catboy/catgirl design not having ears where humans got them, some people are weirded out by more bestial designs like the Hrothgar, some people are super distracted by the Elezen's long necks. Others are not. And by the same token some people may find the nose discolouration weird or distracting. Nothing really to argue about, it's just how people feel about it subconsciously. Which again is why the nose discolouration should be an optional toggle, with the default being switched on so that characters after the update look as close to what they looked to prior as possible.

And everyone who enjoys a less bunnny-like nose can then use their free fantasia to turn it off.

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Yea, I'm down for it being optional, but the concern is they showed a side-by-side to show graphical updates and therefore chose analogous faces if not the same options. Which indicates a change, not a new option (unless stated or as many have said, it was un-intentional)

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Originally Posted by AyaAkari

I also just signed up to the forums to add my voice to the feedback. If they want to leave it up to a toggleable option, that’s fine, but they shouldn’t do away with the bunny nose detail entirely. I also want to echo this point a few other posters have made here; Viera already have so few features to distinguish them from normal humans, which is a shame. All we have right now are the ears and the nose. The nose, even if it’s a small subtle detail, is one of the few defining features we even have of this race.

In the keynote they even specifically stated that they don’t want to change the characters or features too much, because they don’t want them to not look like the same characters anymore. Which is a great and noble goal, but these Viera changes are not in line with that goal at all.

I’m just hoping that the Viera are still heavily a work in progress and maybe they’re still figuring things out. But I don’t want to just leave that to chance without speaking up.

On a similar note, even though this topic is about the noses, I have a similar complaint about the eyes. They’ve changed the shape of the eyes entirely, widening/rounding them and taking away the detail on the inner corners. I loved the shape of the skin at the inner corners, to me it added just a little more “something” to the rabbitlike features. I’m very familiar with the face they used in the example because it’s the same face, nose, and eyes I’ve used on my main. I know the changes are small, but they’re significant enough to me that she doesn’t really look like the same person anymore, which is exactly what they said during the keynote that they didn’t want to do.

Hopefully the feedback here will reach the right people. These changes make me sad :(

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I second this so hard. Regardless if some people prefer the new changes, they said they wouldn't make our characters not look like themselves. I already made my characters how I like them. I was thrilled with them updating graphics but so far Viera changes have really put a damper on my excitement for it. I don't care if the changes look more like their promo or whatever, that isn't what is in the game now, it's not what I made, and I don't want drastic changes to my characters' features.

(I will say to be clear, I am not just some cynical person who views any change as negative. I was so absolutely hyped at just about everything they were showing in keynote but my heart sank when I saw the Viera nose. I also thought it was odd that Elezen female mouth was changed so much in shape, but I don't think it's necessarily bad looking and haven't personally heard anyone who plays Elezen complain. Different story with fem bun noses :x )

I really like the bunny nose, I feel like it's an important charm point for my character and I would be sad to see it go! I hope that they continue to update it, and make it a bit higher contrast than what we saw in the keynote. I am very excited for the graphics update, and I appreciate many of the changes made, but seeing my Viera lose one of my favorite parts would be heartbreaking for me...

DON'T UNBUNNY THE BUNNIES YOU SPOONS!

Please also, if you know of other people who are upset, in game, irl, discord, or twitter etc point them to this, or any thread on the subject to make sure this is heard by the devs :<