Third-party Tools Can Negatively Affect Players Not Using Them

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

These same people spent years using mods as well. That's all I'm gonna say really.

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I guarantee life will go on and you will stay subbed even after the mods break next expansion.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I guarantee life will go on and you will stay subbed even after the mods break next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

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That's the thing though, you have no point. Just like the other poster said, it's childish idle threats being made because you are attached to the mods. You aren't that attached though, it's literally just appearances. The game will go on regardless as will your true reasons for playing it. You should make fan art if you want to see your character look different. It's more harmful to the game than you think too for players to be focusing on appearances enabled by a third party mod so much. As the developers said, it is more problematic than the people cheating in real content. Even though that is extremely problematic, cosmetic mods are even more problematic.

So true, people who use hats on viera are the real problem!!

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Originally Posted by Saraide

So true, people who use hats on viera are the real problem!!

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I googled what mare actually does and rofl, stop being so disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I googled what mare actually does and rofl, stop being so disingenuous.

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You do realize there are more plugins than just Mare that do allow Viera to wear hats right?

Maybe do some deeper research before coming into a thread you don't have much background knowledge on.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I guarantee life will go on and you will stay subbed even after the mods break next expansion.

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Source on this? With a claim like that I'd assume you have evidence to back that up.

"Excuse me... I need to speak to the manager right now! My 12 Balmung EBs don't want to get rid of this specific huge_futacockmod2.0..... if you do we'll never shop here again!"

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I googled what mare actually does and rofl, stop being so disingenuous.

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The world is bigger than mare.

"It's just appearances" is a breathtakingly ridiculous statement to make. Lord almighty. What, exactly, do you think drives most activity in this game? The modern MMO is practically nothing but a game of appearances.

You can certainly try to stuff the cat back in the bag, but the idea that it will go cleanly at this point is something you can only believe if you are willing to divorce yourself completely from reality.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

"Excuse me... I need to speak to the manager right now! My 12 Balmung EBs don't want to get rid of this specific huge_futacockmod2.0..... if you do we'll never shop here again!"

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god yall anti modders are like the absolute peak of cringe

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Source on this? With a claim like that I'd assume you have evidence to back that up.

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Source on you quitting the game after they get removed? I'd assume you have evidence to back your idle threats up.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Source on you quitting the game after they get removed? I'd assume you have evidence to back your idle threats up.

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Except they wont get removed and both you and I know that, they wont work for maybe 2 or 3 months then will come back up.

Stop coping.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Source on you quitting the game after they get removed? I'd assume you have evidence to back your idle threats up.

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I have no need to back mine up as it's a matter of opinion, not fact. I believe that people would be upset and feel less inclined to play the game if they weren't able to see their character in the way they were able to, for possibly years prior.

You said they'd be gone with Dawntrail, that sounds like a fact to me. Evidence?

Unless you simply mean that they'll be taken down temporarily when the expansion launches, which is yeah...no duh. People are patient lmao. It took like a week for them to get fixed after Endwalker....

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I have no need to back mine up as it's a matter of opinion, not fact. I believe that people would be upset and feel less inclined to play the game if they weren't able to see their character in the way they were able to, for possibly years prior.

You said they'd be gone with Dawntrail, that sounds like a fact to me. Evidence?

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Waiting for their facts and evidence on that too.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I have no need to back mine up as it's a matter of opinion, not fact. I believe that people would be upset and feel less inclined to play the game if they weren't able to see their character in the way they were able to, for possibly years prior.

You said they'd be gone with Dawntrail, that sounds like a fact to me. Evidence?

Unless you simply mean that they'll be taken down temporarily when the expansion launches, which is yeah...no duh. People are patient lmao.

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Never once did I say it was a fact, it's a speculation. Either way, you're not gonna be quitting over something dumb like cosmetics only addon users can see. The other post talking about how mmo is all about appearances, just get a grip on reality lol.

It'd be good for you if they removed the addons functionality.

What is fact though, is that all your mare appearances are going to be made redundant on release of the new engine and maybe they will block external access to the appearance assets with the graphical overhaul. You're not gonna quit for the 2-3 months to indefinite non-functionality of your immature tasteless addons.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Never once did I say it was a fact, it's a speculation. Either way, you're not gonna be quitting over something dumb like cosmetics only addon users can see. The other post talking about how mmo is all about appearances, just get a grip on reality lol.

It'd be good for you if they removed the addons functionality.

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Evidence on the speculation?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Never once did I say it was a fact, it's a speculation. Either way, you're not gonna be quitting over something dumb like cosmetics only addon users can see. The other post talking about how mmo is all about appearances, just get a grip on reality lol.

It'd be good for you if they removed the addons functionality.

What is fact though, is that all your mare appearances are going to be made redundant on release of the new engine and maybe they will block external access to the appearance assets with the graphical overhaul. You're not gonna quit for the 2-3 months to indefinite non-functionality of your immature tasteless addons.

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Pretty sure we asked for evidence and not more opinions, so where are they ?

So pathetic rofl. You don't need to provide evidence for speculation. Get a grip on reality. You gotta think beyond the surface for once.

Also look at your signature. You're on break until 7.0. You are not the demographic that is keeping this game profitable.

There were a little over 9000 players in the mare statistic too. That's nothing in the grand scheme of the game.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

So pathetic rofl. You don't need to provide evidence for speculation. Get a grip on reality. You gotta think beyond the surface for once.

Also look at your signature. You're on break until 7.0. You are not the demographic that is keeping this game profitable.

There were a little over 9000 players in the mare statistic too. That's nothing in the grand scheme of the game.

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Thought so yeah, so you got no evidence and just talk nonsense

good talk bud ! Was a good attempt on your end at least

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Thought so yeah, so you got no evidence and just talk nonsense

good talk bud ! Was a good attempt on your end at least

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All of mare is going to be non-functional after the graphical overhaul, that's a given. There is a high likelihood square enix will make it impossible for addon developers to access the assets too. You yourself said that it will be "2-3 months" before mare works again. That's optimistic but I doubt it will ever work again.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

All of mare is going to be non-functional after the graphical overhaul, that's a given. There is a high likelihood square enix will make it impossible for addon developers to access the assets too. You yourself said that it will be "2-3 months" before mare works again. That's optimistic but I doubt it will ever work again.

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You are on some massive copium and its actually comedy.

But please, do keep thinking that it'll all be gone with the graphical overhaul, you are in for a big surprise when it comes back.

Also 2-3 months was for mods in general, not only that one, and it was a rough estimate, could be a bit more or less I dont know, but it will 100% work again, stop dreaming.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You are on some massive copium and its actually comedy.

But please, do keep thinking that it'll all be gone with the graphical overhaul, you are in for a big surprise when it comes back.

Also 2-3 months was for mods in general, not only that one, and it was a rough estimate, could be a bit more or less I dont know, but it will 100% work again, stop dreaming.

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Big surprise? Mare doesn't mean anything to me. Your characters are unmaintained you look like npcs outside of your third party fantasy.

Karens with 2k posts on the forums saying they will definitely quit for sursies if their cheats are removed!
Don't forget. You're here forever!
And I never said I'm anti-mods, I've never been directly affected by them, I'm just anti hypocrites, "Remove all mods... except for my mods..." is peak derangement, it's either all removed or nothing changes.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Big surprise? Mare doesn't mean anything to me. Your characters are unmaintained you look like npcs outside of your third party fantasy.

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I love how you somehow think this is my main, good one bud lmao

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Karens with 2k posts on the forums saying they will definitely quit for sursies if their cheats are removed!
Don't forget. You're here forever!
And I never said I'm anti-mods, I've never been directly affected by them, I'm just anti hypocrites, "Remove all mods... except for my mods..." is peak derangement, it's either all removed or nothing changes.

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Karens with 2k posts on the forums saying they will definitely quit for sursies if their cheats are removed!

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Since you call me a karen, care to show and quote where I said I was quitting if they were gone ?

I'll wait

"I'm behind 20 alts, where proofs???"
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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

"I'm behind 20 alts, where proofs???"
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Troll meter going off the charts as I can see

I'm still waiting.

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Karens with 2k posts on the forums saying they will definitely quit for sursies if their cheats are removed!
Don't forget. You're here forever!
And I never said I'm anti-mods, I've never been directly affected by them, I'm just anti hypocrites, "Remove all mods... except for my mods..." is peak derangement, it's either all removed or nothing changes.

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Karens with 2k posts on the forums saying they will definitely quit for sursies if their cheats are removed!

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Since you call me a karen, care to show and quote where I said I was quitting if they were gone ?

I'll wait

I don't doubt you can wait on the forum all day
either way nothing of value will be lost of mods are removed and nothing will be gained if they stay

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

I don't doubt you can wait on the forum all day
either way nothing of value will be lost of mods are removed and nothing will be gained if they stay

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Troll meter going off the charts as I can see

I'm still waiting.





Since you call me a karen, care to show and quote where I said I was quitting if they were gone ?

I'll wait

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Still waiting.

Looks like you are the Karen at this point, yet you called me one, the irony.

Do you want to talk to the GM's about the big bad evil players that look better than you do ? Do you want to see the manager ?

Good projection post, but whatever increases the post count amirite?

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

Good projection post, but whatever increases the post count amirite?

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god you are entert.........

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I think Square doesn't have a good option outside of "everything modded isn't allowed"

Even with the people who use mods that only affect their gameplay (mare/graphic changes/re-shade), it's still an MMORPG in the end, and it would be impossible to say "these mods are good" and denounce the ones that are blatantly taking away from the spirit of the game (like the people who used a satellite to clear TOP)

As players, we can say "oh these people are really breaking the spirit of the game" while modding hats on Vierra all we want, but it's not going to change the fact that per the TOS, it's both equally reprehensible and against TOS. Just like Bards with their MIDIs.

But the second that a player, uses those plugins/mods, and purposefully impacts another player's experience, that's not ok at all (which is what the meaning of the first post on this topic was, players forcing or being blatant with plugin/mods that impacts other player's experiences)

Am I going to quit if Square gets rid of the ability to do any plugins/mods, no, because that's their intent with the spirit of the game.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

So pathetic rofl. You don't need to provide evidence for speculation. Get a grip on reality. You gotta think beyond the surface for once.

Also look at your signature. You're on break until 7.0. You are not the demographic that is keeping this game profitable.

There were a little over 9000 players in the mare statistic too. That's nothing in the grand scheme of the game.

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Subscribers are not the primary generator

Cash shops and mobile investments are how these companies make their money

Don’t think for a second that sub count comes close to these income methods

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Subscribers are not the primary generator

Cash shops and mobile investments are how these companies make their money

Don’t think for a second that sub count comes close to these income methods

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For XIV I think subs are still a sizeable amount of income, even if not it is at least a stable and predictable amount of regular cash flow.
The cash shop is probably a lot more volatile, sure you have whales that just buy anything you serve them but most people aren't buying all the junk they sometimes throw on the shop...like consumable housing items for 5 bucks.

So the income from the cash shop can swing wildly depending on whether or not they put something popular on the store this month.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Subscribers are not the primary generator

Cash shops and mobile investments are how these companies make their money

Don’t think for a second that sub count comes close to these income methods

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"Lots of cosmetic addons are based on cash shop items"

Most cosmetic addon users do not buy cash shop items. Why would they when they can just get a free appearance that "looks way better than anything in game"

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

"Lots of cosmetic addons are based on cash shop items"

Most cosmetic addon users do not buy cash shop items. Why would they when they can just get a free appearance that "looks way better than anything in game"

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That is a blatent lie that you can’t source but anecdotally most of the modbeasts I know still buy a LOT from the cash shop

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

"Lots of cosmetic addons are based on cash shop items"

Most cosmetic addon users do not buy cash shop items. Why would they when they can just get a free appearance that "looks way better than anything in game"

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Some quick research tells you otherwise.

Mods can't just add new things to the game, they can only visually replace existing ones. Most mod users, as with any other software, have so little knowledge of how this works that they can't choose the item to replace themselves, so if the thing that "looks way better than anything in game" requires them to buy a mogstation outfit they will just do so.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Subscribers are not the primary generator

Cash shops and mobile investments are how these companies make their money

Don’t think for a second that sub count comes close to these income methods

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Fun fact time, in Q1 of 2023, FFXIV Subs accounted for more revenue for Square Enix than their other titles, making a total of 27.3 Billion Yen in just the first quarter of the fiscal year.

Sadly they don't have any data on just the optional items, however the slide does state that it is only counting paying subscriber numbers:
Source (First time doing a Hyperlink in BBC in years, hopefully, this works)

Personally, I am curious as to the amount of revenue generated by optional items.

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Originally Posted by ManaEthielday

Fun fact time, in Q1 of 2023, FFXIV Subs accounted for more revenue for Square Enix than their other titles, making a total of 27.3 Billion Yen in just the first quarter of the fiscal year.

Sadly they don't have any data on just the optional items, however the slide does state that it is only counting paying subscriber numbers:
Source (First time doing a Hyperlink in BBC in years, hopefully, this works)

Personally, I am curious as to the amount of revenue generated by optional items.

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Yeah I double checked their latest earnings report but it’s filled with a lot of business buzzword crap and I couldnt find a breakdown of cash shop income.

But if it follows the trend of similar titles (there’s no reason to think it does t) and the difference is substantial between subs and cash shop