Remember: the forums represent a tiny, loud minority

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Originally Posted by subatomic

Most people playing the game don't use the official forums. They use Discord, Reddit, or Twitter.

Less than 1% of players use the forums, and of that, even less still are the ones who use the forums regularly.

The negative Nancys on the forums are a Tiny, Loud minority. They are here just to complain and don't reflect the 20 million players who still enjoy the game.

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Enjoy your copium!

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Bait or not, tis true. But a few things the devs could listen to. Giving Samurai Kaiten back and actually fixing its button bloat problem, properly addressing Healer homogenization without giving people the wrong inpression with waving off their genuine concerns by telling them to simply "Play Ultimate and makkng gear in the game with Miqo'te and Au'ra in mind so their tails don't haphazardly clip through their capes and such but actually have a proper tail hole in the back or something so it doesn't make said characters look awkward. Just to name a few.

Also Current head gear making Miqo ears disappear being one of them.

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

Also Current head gear making Miqo ears disappear being one of them.

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And almost all head gear after Shadowbringers not working on Viera and Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by subatomic

Most people playing the game don't use the official forums. They use Discord, Reddit, or Twitter.

Less than 1% of players use the forums, and of that, even less still are the ones who use the forums regularly.

The negative Nancys on the forums are a Tiny, Loud minority. They are here just to complain and don't reflect the 20 million players who still enjoy the game.

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This.

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They don't represent EVERYONE and they are also extremely HOSTILE to others.

Regardless of size it can be assumed the forum is an accurate representation of current perceptions of the game. You'd have to make a case for why the players on other platforms are vastly different from players on the forms. You're also not accounting for players who use both. Finally, if you think anything close to 20m players play this game, you're just doing the opposite of negative trolling.

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Originally Posted by subatomic

Most people playing the game don't use the official forums. They use Discord, Reddit, or Twitter.

Less than 1% of players use the forums, and of that, even less still are the ones who use the forums regularly.

The negative Nancys on the forums are a Tiny, Loud minority. They are here just to complain and don't reflect the 20 million players who still enjoy the game.

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Understand the sarcasm.

This is one of the BIGGEST coping mechanisms in gaming; especially the games were ppl have to pay to post on the said forums. If you have a XIV account, you most likely have a forum account.

I have no interests in hockey, so will NOT be on their forums.

Have no interest in Fortnite, so will not be on their forums.

Etc, etc.....

It always amuses me to no end to see people on the copium throw out the classic 'if you just say something is bad without explaining any further then you shouldn't be listened to', because it always comes down to 'they are saying something I don't want to hear, so I'll use this to discredit them and make them seem 'ignoreable'.

Just like how you don't need to be a chef to know the steak's burnt to charcoal, you don't need to have a background in games design to give feedback on the state of a game. By some people's logic, saying 'I hate what they did to AST, I preferred SB version' is just complaining, but it's very valid feedback. It tells the devs that this person preferred a previous version of the class, a version with multiple card effects, a more depth-filled card system via Royal Road, and having two DOTs instead of one

I have to imagine the people who are super overly positive about the game, even with so many people including content creators, people who's jobs are dependent on the game being in a good state, complaining about the state of it, are like

https://i.gyazo.com/84e6ea297f0754b9...7b310040c4.png

I am having fun! I AM having FUN!

And I get that this thread is likely just a bait, but A: that kinda proves how dead the game has been for the past couple of weeks, that there's more content to be found riling up the forums than actually playing it, and B: there are people who are actually this down bad for a multimillion dollar company that does not care one whit for any singular player, as we're all just numbers on the income sheet at the end of the day

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

It always amuses me to no end to see people on the copium throw out the classic 'if you just say something is bad without explaining any further then you shouldn't be listened to', because it always comes down to 'they are saying something I don't want to hear, so I'll use this to discredit them and make them seem 'ignoreable'.

Just like how you don't need to be a chef to know the steak's burnt to charcoal, you don't need to have a background in games design to give feedback on the state of a game. By some people's logic, saying 'I hate what they did to AST, I preferred SB version' is just complaining, but it's very valid feedback. It tells the devs that this person preferred a previous version of the class, a version with multiple card effects, a more depth-filled card system via Royal Road, and having two DOTs instead of one

I have to imagine the people who are super overly positive about the game, even with so many people including content creators, people who's jobs are dependent on the game being in a good state, complaining about the state of it, are like

https://i.gyazo.com/84e6ea297f0754b9...7b310040c4.png

I am having fun! I AM having FUN!

And I get that this thread is likely just a bait, but A: that kinda proves how dead the game has been for the past couple of weeks, that there's more content to be found riling up the forums than actually playing it, and B: there are people who are actually this down bad for a multimillion dollar company that does not care one whit for any singular player, as we're all just numbers on the income sheet at the end of the day

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A: that kinda proves how dead the game has been for the past couple of weeks, that there's more content to be found riling up the forums than actually playing it

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No it does not, only a minority of people are on the FFXIV forums, this is nothing new, it literally proves absolutely nothing.

Just here to comment how pathetic it is to bump a dead thread by having one of your alt accounts agree with another of your alt accounts.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Regardless of size it can be assumed the forum is an accurate representation of current perceptions of the game. You'd have to make a case for why the players on other platforms are vastly different from players on the forms. You're also not accounting for players who use both. Finally, if you think anything close to 20m players play this game, you're just doing the opposite of negative trolling.

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Notwithstanding this IS 100% a Titanalt necro set of bumps:

As has been said many many times, it's very clear those on the forums are not representative of the playerbase as a whole. In every game, the forums tend to be more negative towards the game for the well known principle of "People who are happen often are playing the game not talking about it on forums, people who are unhappy are more likely to go to forums to complain", we also know that other forums discussing the game, both the mainsub in Reddit and the FFXIVDiscussion one, are not as negative on the game as the general attitude here is.

In short, for those who want to say the forums ARE representative of the playerbase as a whole and not suffering from selection bias, the onus is on you to prove it, as other forums discussing the game are not as negative, and most people accept the general rule that people unhappy are more likely to complain, meaning other voices are less represented. If you can't come up with an explanation for that, then the logical conclusion is that the official forum sample is not representative of the playerbase as a whole. It represents a skewed/weighted sample of one part of it, the most negative part, but not the general views of the majority.

Note that this does NOT mean they can't be raising valid points.

But in order to say it's a representative sample, the onus is on you to prove it.

Imagine if a pollster polled a political question and had a sample of 95% Republicans, but then told YOU that the onus is on YOU to prove their sample is bad not on them to show that it is not. That's not how statistics/polls are done. The onus is on the one insisting it's an accurate sample to prove it, not on those thinking it isn't to disprove it.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Just here to comment how pathetic it is to bump a dead thread by having one of your alt accounts agree with another of your alt accounts.

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Yup.

i represent the small majority