Why Is Dynamis Dead

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Originally Posted by Zsavooz

Do you really think it's going to fill out over time? You must be joking. The big rush is over, now there's just sadness, tears and great remorse.

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One big rush is over. There well maybe additional rushes in future, and the game as a whole with more people than space to put them. If the game as a whole is growing then the quieter servers will grow too.

What I see happening is a lot of DC Travel around the release of 7.0 so people can skip the queues on dynamis and play the msq that way.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

- Island Sanctuary was a highly anticipated area and was praised for being a different form of casual content with room to grow.
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lol.

lmao even

maybe but my take is that the whole DC will be dead in 6 months if not less. Once people can leave, they will. That brings up another point, why the hell can;t we sell our houses like anything else on the MB? It would solve mutliple problems like have to cough up more hardware in order to priovide additional wards. I wouldn't doubt that there is a large percentage of users who would love to get out of their houses, I'm one. WTF is there to do there? I walk around many residential wards and never see a single soul. I get the FC houses, but other than decorating or having a garden, what's the point?

I am on Marilith and honestly I am enjoying it. Yes it is a bit slower but I like things like that. Waiting a bit longer for a queue to pop doesn't bother me. I just take care of other things that need doing while I am waiting. Being a solo player I don't really miss the social side of things. This works for me and how I play the game.

I am firmly in the camp of things will improve with time and come 7.0 will likely take a big jump as people deal with log in queues for a new expansion.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I guess that depends on what you mean by similar stuff.

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/7558



OCE is still connected to NA because the OCE logical data center was originally hosted at the LA physical data center before the OCE physical data center was added. Blizzard moved the entire logical data center so it was composed of realms that already had mostly healthy populations.

If OCE was treated as a separate region by Blizzard like SE does instead of it being considered part of NA, OCE and NA players wouldn't be able to play together there, either, just as NA players can't play with EU players unless they purchase a separate EU game license or Asia unless they purchase a separate Asia license.

At least with FFXIV, it's a single game license regardless of whether you want to play on JP, OCE, EU or NA. Only CN/KR remain completely separated.

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I said similar, not world queues, which would meant playing with people in OCE and JP for example. WoW allows you to join groups from all kind of servers within NA/OCE, at least 50 different ones.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

lol.

lmao even

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What, it was. You have a lot of people that liked it, and even within the forums you had people who enjoyed it. Even those who pointed out issues with it said that it just needs to be expanded further than the current base. At no point was it an "abject failure" like people were painting the whole expansion to be.

So...

Lmao yourself?

Read the context?

You know... It didn't fail?

You want content that failed? Remember that Diadem used to give armor with random stats? I wonder why we no longer have that :)

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Originally Posted by Oizen

What I see happening is a lot of DC Travel around the release of 7.0 so people can skip the queues on dynamis and play the msq that way.

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Why would they use data center travel for MSQ when it's the same on every world? I know very few players that do the MSQ in a group with friends unless they're all dialog and cutscene skipping (and I would imagine few of those players went to Dynamis).

More and more players are taking advantage of Duty Support to learn mechanics before they do them with other players in Duty Finder, or because they like doing them for the first time with the NPCs to get the comments.

Besides, by the time 7.0 arrives Dynamis will have a much larger population at end game.

I think you're exaggerating the situation on Dynamis right now, and I know you're exaggerating what it will be by the time 7.0 arrives. But if you're that unhappy on Dynamis, you'll be able to transfer back to your old home world in February. Depending on what demand there was on your old home world, you may even be able to get a house there this time.

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Originally Posted by Zsavooz

maybe but my take is that the whole DC will be dead in 6 months if not less. Once people can leave, they will. That brings up another point, why the hell can;t we sell our houses like anything else on the MB? It would solve mutliple problems like have to cough up more hardware in order to priovide additional wards. I wouldn't doubt that there is a large percentage of users who would love to get out of their houses, I'm one. WTF is there to do there? I walk around many residential wards and never see a single soul. I get the FC houses, but other than decorating or having a garden, what's the point?

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Why did you get a house if you didn't want what housing offers?

We can see your forum join date. After 9 years, I find it hard to believe that you were totally ignorant of what the system offers.

It's also difficult to believe you unaware of what new worlds are like when they first start out. Why choose to create/transfer a character on Seraph if you didn't want to be part of a community effectively starting from nothing?

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Originally Posted by Zsavooz

maybe but my take is that the whole DC will be dead in 6 months if not less. Once people can leave, they will. That brings up another point, why the hell can;t we sell our houses like anything else on the MB? It would solve mutliple problems like have to cough up more hardware in order to priovide additional wards. I wouldn't doubt that there is a large percentage of users who would love to get out of their houses, I'm one. WTF is there to do there? I walk around many residential wards and never see a single soul. I get the FC houses, but other than decorating or having a garden, what's the point?

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You used to be able to sell private houses on the black market but after they removed relocations because people were sniping houses from campers, the ability to sell was also removed. The devs are pretty dead set on neighborhoods and I'm in the camp that thinks Island Sanctuary is slowly going to evolve into a form of instanced housing that is similar to what we see in neighborhoods but not an exact copy.

Otherwise the point is they're just something nice to have and a place to call your own that isn't constricted to one room.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Why would they use data center travel for MSQ when it's the same on every world? I know very few players that do the MSQ in a group with friends unless they're all dialog and cutscene skipping (and I would imagine few of those players went to Dynamis).

More and more players are taking advantage of Duty Support to learn mechanics before they do them with other players in Duty Finder, or because they like doing them for the first time with the NPCs to get the comments.

Besides, by the time 7.0 arrives Dynamis will have a much larger population at end game.

I think you're exaggerating the situation on Dynamis right now, and I know you're exaggerating what it will be by the time 7.0 arrives. But if you're that unhappy on Dynamis, you'll be able to transfer back to your old home world in February. Depending on what demand there was on your old home world, you may even be able to get a house there this time. Oh, you do sound like a PIA. That's pretty obvious.



Why did you get a house if you didn't want what housing offers?

We can see your forum join date. After 9 years, I find it hard to believe that you were totally ignorant of what the system offers.

It's also difficult to believe you unaware of what new worlds are like when they first start out. Why choose to create/transfer a character on Seraph if you didn't want to be part of a community effectively starting from nothing?

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sorry, never had a house. Now that I do, it's a waste. And yes, I am unaware of new worlds since I've been on Crystal since the beginning and moving between worlds on the same DC isn't quite the same now, is it? So relax, sorry to have upset you.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

What, it was. You have a lot of people that liked it, and even within the forums you had people who enjoyed it. Even those who pointed out issues with it said that it just needs to be expanded further than the current base. At no point was it an "abject failure" like people were painting the whole expansion to be.

So...

Lmao yourself?

Read the context?

You know... It didn't fail?

You want content that failed? Remember that Diadem used to give armor with random stats? I wonder why we no longer have that :)

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I mean come on, it's obvious. They didn't personally like it, and there was a bit of a stir about it on the forums... clearly means Islands were an abject failure.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

I mean come on, it's obvious. They didn't personally like it, and there was a bit of a stir about it on the forums... clearly means Islands were an abject failure.

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Yoshi not being into it doesn't mean much. He's busy and chooses to spend his little bit of game time on other things. A stir in the forums is a poor gauge as well. A lot of the negative commentary was from people misinforming themselves about what Island would be, like having Genshin or Stardew ported in. A lot of people actually enjoy it. They've taken feedback and they're working to improve it, so it's not a failure.

It's only dead if you check it's state. Or alive. Just shake the box and hope for the best

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

It's only dead if you check it's state. Or alive. Just shake the box and hope for the best

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That's like... Reverse Schrodinger's Cat xD

"Is the Island dead or alive? The only way to figure out is by walking in there. The moment you do, however, it becomes alive, thus if it had ever died, you revived it. Like the world's most unlikely necromancer."

I don't personally know a single person who continues to interact with Island Sanctuary.

Heck, I know more people still actively participating in BLU content or Deep Dungeon than I do Island Sanctuary.

We can call it anecdotal all day, but it definitely looks like a failed system to me; I'll be surprised if it gets more than a few token updates that were already in the pipeline before it flopped.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I don't personally know a single person who continues to interact with Island Sanctuary.

Heck, I know more people still actively participating in BLU content or Deep Dungeon than I do Island Sanctuary.

We can call it anecdotal all day, but it definitely looks like a failed system to me; I'll be surprised if it gets more than a few token updates that were already in the pipeline before it flopped.

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you didnt pay attention to their recent LL about it didnt you

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I don't personally know a single person who continues to interact with Island Sanctuary.

Heck, I know more people still actively participating in BLU content or Deep Dungeon than I do Island Sanctuary.

We can call it anecdotal all day, but it definitely looks like a failed system to me; I'll be surprised if it gets more than a few token updates that were already in the pipeline before it flopped.

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You can try to meet other people, then. Because I know quite a fair bit of people who are actively invested in it and love spending time in there, as well as people who log in, go in there, press buttons and go out.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

you didnt pay attention to their recent LL about it didnt you

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I saw the live letter slideshow, and Island Sanctuary's faults run deeper than some new types of materials and handicrafts (that you interact with in the same interface as the old ones) will fix.

The hints that animals might need management or they'll destroy stuff, if true, is more likely to make me write the whole thing off as a lost cause than to put in the expected work.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I saw the live letter slideshow, and Island Sanctuary's faults run deeper than some new types of materials and handicrafts (that you interact with in the same interface as the old ones) will fix.

The hints that animals might need management or they'll destroy stuff, if true, is more likely to make me write the whole thing off as a lost cause than to put in the expected work.

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I'm just saying I wouldnt write it off that early when the team still have plans on updating that content.

Pretty sure they said 6.4 would have a bigger content update for Island Sanctuary. I wouldn't write the whole thing off until we can see what a more extensive patch to the Island Sanctuary entails. With most completely new things that are added to the game, I generally expect them to get bigger and better overtime.

On another note, I hate Seraph. Bought a small house, decked it out even have a garden, Grow shit no one buys, reatiner shit, no one buys... instead, everyone is running to other DC's for crafting supplies etc. When my pardon comes through after 90 long, long, long days, house be damned. Back to Crystal. No more hour long queues. And to all those who say, just play on other DC's, that wasn't the idea for me to move here. Worst mistake ever playing this game. Like I said before, there's an FC here called 90 Days.

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Originally Posted by Zsavooz

On another note, I hate Seraph. Bought a small house, decked it out even have a garden, Grow shit no one buys, reatiner shit, no one buys... instead, everyone is running to other DC's for crafting supplies etc. When my pardon comes through after 90 long, long, long days, house be damned. Back to Crystal. No more hour long queues. And to all those who say, just play on other DC's, that wasn't the idea for me to move here. Worst mistake ever playing this game. Like I said before, there's an FC here called 90 Days.

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That's strange, I have had no trouble selling seeds, Onions (in fact they sell for 150k, the heck? you can DC travel and get them for 90k!), housing items, crystals, food, yeah basically everything that people want, maybe you're pushing junk nobody wants or selling too high.

Relax, once they add the four new worlds, it's going to be crazy, 1800 new plots too, and four new worlds worth of plots, and the Duty Finder will be much more alive, people will stay and use it more instead of Travel.

Give it some time, it'll work out!

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

Give it some time, it'll work out!

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Hasn't even been a month. FC plots go up for bidding tomorrow so it'll be 30 days. Expectations that a new DC will function like an old established one in such a short time are unrealistic especially given the DC started with 4 instead of 8 servers in my opinion. I'm personally very happy to be on Hali atm and I can spend time there or visit with friends elsewhere. I wish Materia (Sophia) had that option.

Populations need to be redistributed and that is where SE is heading with it's plans.

I can see where selling might be an issue but I can also see the price gouging and attempts to get rich quick on a new DC. That's not going to happen because many of us know better and will travel for a price that is reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

That's strange, I have had no trouble selling seeds, Onions (in fact they sell for 150k, the heck? you can DC travel and get them for 90k!), housing items, crystals, food, yeah basically everything that people want, maybe you're pushing junk nobody wants or selling too high.

Relax, once they add the four new worlds, it's going to be crazy, 1800 new plots too, and four new worlds worth of plots, and the Duty Finder will be much more alive, people will stay and use it more instead of Travel.

Give it some time, it'll work out!

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I want to say we'll have to wait till 7.0 before we start to see permanent settlement and development in Dynamis. Problem is just that were under content drought so not a lot of buzz or activity is going on for the new servers. But expansion releases bring in so many new players that we'll hopefully start to see these new servers finally bringing bank.

The characters I moved from Materia to Dynamis are there for good. I have no problem getting what I need to get done finished. I am enjoying the server. I can wait for things to pick up. Meanwhile I have a bunch to do with road to 80 and other stuff on my list.

I think players on Dynamis really need to stop hopping to other data centers to run their roulettes/raids etc.

If everyone does that, the queue times get exponentially worse for those who remain on Dynamis, which in turns force them to do the same thing as well. This perpetuates a vicious feedback loop where eventually Dynamis is just a dead DC. As bad as Materia is, there's at least the consolation that the players have to build up a community and run events on the DC itself instead of taking the easy way out and abandoning the DC.

And yet I manage to get insta-queues pretty regularly for roulettes (even on DPS) and have no issue completing content outside of current tier savage (which is expected considering statics were already established on other data centers).

Expecting the DC to be as popped as Aether or Crystal in the first month, however, is illogical. Those DCs also have taken years to get to the size they are at now. Lowering expectations might help a bit. Also, finding something to do while you are waiting for a queue helps (I have 6.3 prep I've been doing on the side).

The doomposting here is wild. I understand the frustration of not always having instant-gratification but give it a year before screaming that it's a dead DC.

People believing a new DC will make the game feel like its getting released back in 2.0 and everyone who have been playing for a decade (veterans) wants to start from 0 again.

That's never going to happen, the main story of the game ended and there is nothing new to see or expect UNLESS you're a genuine new player, even so if that's the case those always look up for the most popular servers and not the new ones.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

People believing a new DC will make the game feel like its getting released back in 2.0 and everyone who have been playing for a decade (veterans) wants to start from 0 again.

That's never going to happen, the main story of the game ended and there is nothing new to see or expect UNLESS you're a genuine new player, even so if that's the case those always look up for the most popular servers and not the new ones.

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I disagree and agree with this view. Yeah, the main story as we know it is over (that doesn't mean MSQ is done, we're literally getting new plot to post-EW in a month and a whole new storyline in 7.0) but I doubt many people are trying to dip to Dynamis to redo the entire MSQ (I'm sure some are because the alt game is real with a lot of people but I don't believe it's a main motivator, housing was overwhelmingly the main one). My partner has been playing since Heavensward launched and wanted to come to Dynamis with me to just help a server grow from Day 1 which is an experience he missed out on in ARR. I simply wanted a fresh start, to help Dynamis grow more than I could on Materia (mainly due to timezones) and to actually have a chance of making myself a permanent home since housing is a nightmare anywhere else on NA.

Deterring people from joining just because it's new is something I don't really understand, when the point is to get new people in to help grow the DC. Instead of telling people to just pack into existing DCs and make their own issues worse, send them to Dynamis and help expand the population here. Maybe I'm just desensitized to the whole thing because of being on Materia (no offense to Materia) but Dynamis really is not that bad for being a month out. Again, you can't compare a ONE MONTH old DC to one that's been established for YEARS. Give people a real chance to come in and help jumpstart things instead of taking the stance of: "Well I can't get every single queue in under 30s, Dynamis is dead and not worth the time." Have some patience, please. It's really not that hard.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

People believing a new DC will make the game feel like its getting released back in 2.0 and everyone who have been playing for a decade (veterans) wants to start from 0 again.

That's never going to happen, the main story of the game ended and there is nothing new to see or expect UNLESS you're a genuine new player, even so if that's the case those always look up for the most popular servers and not the new ones.

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A lot of those servers will reach what SE deems to be capacity and you'll see more and more of them like Balmung where they become congested. People won't be able to flood those servers anymore because they are deemed popular.

Dynamis will fill up as will the new EU DC when it comes. If voluntary moves don't accomplish it you'll see a lot less options for new players other than the new ones as more and more existing servers hit congested status. At least that's my feeling on the matter.

These overpopulated servers are just that and frankly they need to be locked sooner than later. Perhaps when the other 4 servers are added. The idea of playing with friends isn't an issue with DC travel and World Visit. I'm on Hali and I play with my Siren friends everyday.

People keep trying to rush it, instead of simply observing. Not that I haven't had my own troubles with the MB. I have crashed a whole retainer's worth of in demand items to around a third of the price of what they're selling for Crystal, and people are still buying over there. It's probably a bit of an extreme, but the price gougers upset me.

Anyways, content drought and add in that this is a busy time of year for people. Family stuff, finals are around the corner... I'm not playing that much myself right now, and I wouldn't expect it from anyone else really.

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Originally Posted by Zsavooz

On another note, I hate Seraph. Bought a small house, decked it out even have a garden, Grow shit no one buys, reatiner shit, no one buys... instead, everyone is running to other DC's for crafting supplies etc. When my pardon comes through after 90 long, long, long days, house be damned. Back to Crystal. No more hour long queues. And to all those who say, just play on other DC's, that wasn't the idea for me to move here. Worst mistake ever playing this game. Like I said before, there's an FC here called 90 Days.

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If enough people do that then HOPEFULLY, SE simply merges Dyna related servers into Crystal / Primal / Aether like they've done similar before.

It's getting a bit ridiculous now and instead of praying that 7.0 will fix it I honestly don't see it at this point. I was hopeful after week 2/3 but its really only been resulting in the servers being even "more" dead.
Not even 200 players "total" online at times in the "entire" freaking server.

Especially now that they announced tons of new wards in OG servers, which was a piss poor time for them to do that.
Pretty much guaranteed Dynamis stays dead with that ward expansion even with 7.0

7.0 is pretty optimistic for them to fix this game’s issues. The entire production cycle relies on boom and bust—players join during a new patch and then leave promptly after. The only incentive for players to stay is the timegated gear treadmill so that you can play the ultimate raid. But that assumes players don’t get burnt out of the highly repetitive artificial difficulty long before then. And, from the numbers, we know that a very small percentage of players in NA actually attempt ultimates.

So what’s the point of the game? To sell the story, characters, and cash shop items. FFXIV was never meant to be a long-term investment for anyone to partake in. ARR’s success was purely accidental. Square Enix never intended to compete with online gaming stalwarts like WoW, League, Valorant, Fortnite, etc. And many of you appreciate that, because you play those games too.

Dynamis being empty is good news for them because they can forget about any infrastructure changes for the next 10 years. It’s all smooth sailing for that department until the game reaches maintenance mode. They’ll never change anything serious about the game—the engine is still handicapped, class design is just button mashing, raids are Simon says.

If we want something different, we’re gonna get it in FFXVII, not 7.0.

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Originally Posted by UnrealTai

If enough people do that then HOPEFULLY, SE simply merges Dyna related servers into Crystal / Primal / Aether like they've done similar before.

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The entire reason for the new data center is to reduce player log in congestion on each logical data center. Merging the Dynamis worlds into the existing worlds would end up increasing it and put it right back to what happened at Endwalker release, with multi-hour queue times and SE having to temporarily discontinue game sales/account creation in an attempt to reduce the queue times.

Keep in mind that the player search results do not include players who are in instanced duties or who are on other worlds/data centers. Dynamis players deciding they want to go back to Aether or Crystal or Primal to play only make the perception of a dead data center worse.

If they want a healthy data center, they need to put in the effort to make it one by playing on it, and asking their friends to come play with them on Dynamis occasionally instead of it only being the other way around.

In the meantime, I've only been seeing a negligible difference in queue times between what I get on Crystal with my Crystal characters and what I get on Dynamis with my Dynamis characters. It certainly hasn't been enough to deter me from continuing to queue on Dynamis. How radical a difference it is for players who had come from Primal and Aether, I can't say.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The entire reason for the new data center is to reduce player log in congestion on each logical data center. Merging the Dynamis worlds into the existing worlds would end up increasing it and put it right back to what happened at Endwalker release, with multi-hour queue times and SE having to temporarily discontinue game sales/account creation in an attempt to reduce the queue times.

Keep in mind that the player search results do not include players who are in instanced duties or who are on other worlds/data centers. Dynamis players deciding they want to go back to Aether or Crystal or Primal to play only make the perception of a dead data center worse.

If they want a healthy data center, they need to put in the effort to make it one by playing on it, and asking their friends to come play with them on Dynamis occasionally instead of it only being the other way around.

In the meantime, I've only been seeing a negligible difference in queue times between what I get on Crystal with my Crystal characters and what I get on Dynamis with my Dynamis characters. It certainly hasn't been enough to deter me from continuing to queue on Dynamis. How radical a difference it is for players who had come from Primal and Aether, I can't say.

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Agreed.

There's a reason why SE reorganize the original 3 JP data centers into 4, which is to improve queue times, I don't ever foresee them merging new worlds to existing data centers unless the population is in serious decline which is not the case here.

That being said, I'm not too sure what else SE can do to incentivize more players from existing servers to move to new ones. In the past few months, we have seen that the new OCE, EU and NA worlds have severely reduced player population and they are not likely to increase much further as most players who wanted to switch servers for a better chance at housing would have done so by now. Even when 7.0 is released in the future, I seriously doubt that returning players would want to switch to the new worlds as these are likely to be casual players who want to mainly experience the new story content and would rather remain in their existing servers with their friends/FC mates.

Which is another reason I believe SE would be over-extending themselves if they still intend to go ahead with 4 new NA worlds and a brand new EU data center in 2023, those worlds will practically be worse off than even Materia in its current state.

Right, so.

I'm on Crystal on my main. Have the same character I'm playing through on Marilith to relive the story, finally get my Ishgardian elezen his Ishgardian home, and hang out with my partner. I have a whole 2 complaints.

1) Having to go to Crystal for Frontline--other queues have been just fine, even as DPS.
2) The BOTS, my god. I haven't seen it this bad since the aether/crystal split.

And that's the other thing--people in this game seem to have some legendary short term memory. Once upon a time, Mateus was a dead quiet server. Now it's Balmung's little brother.

It just needs time. This is the slowest possible time of year with the content drought/holidays looming. I've been playing since 2015 and stuff ebbs and flows. I'm actually enjoying the lack of nightclub ads for now....they're coming.

Edit: The bots are INCREDIBLY bad. It bears repeating.

There are a LOT of new players on Marilith. And often I'm finding it's not fresh new players, but veterans working up an alt to play through things again and be a newbie for a while. I just hit HW and run roulettes fairly regularly. Queue times may not be as fast as my home server Jenova but Mari right now feels like Jenova did when I first started playing. Jenova used to be a very small server. Now it's grown a lot. I feel that Mari will do the same.

I will agree with many others. There's a lot of bots. I can mostly just ignore them, though.

Dead? No way! We have hundreds of bots - I even have to queue to get into my server that I never see players in! If I want some companions then I just do a quick search for 1-59 BRD and BLM, to figure out where all the action is happening.

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Originally Posted by R041

Dead? No way! We have hundreds of bots - I even have to queue to get into my server that I never see players in! If I want some companions then I just do a quick search for 1-59 BRD and BLM, to figure out where all the action is happening.

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I hope you're being sarcastic.

I just logged onto another of my Dynamis alts. No queue to log in (actually a bit surprised for a Sat afterrnoon/evening). I'm in Old Sharlayan and there are other players here at the market board, vendors, turning in leves, running around doing queuest, etc.

When there is a queue, it's 30 seconds at most same as most other NA worlds.

Is it as many as there would be on a Balmung? Of course not but saying you never see real players is a gross exaggeration unless you're spending all your time in a housing ward where most of the houses are empty.

Sure the bots are a problem. The quantity being loaded on to the Dynamis worlds is probably the same amount being loaded onto the other non-congested NA worlds. Because our populations are less, the ratio to players is higher.

But by no means are there only bots on the Dybamis worlds. Try looking around for people who are playing the game instead of tunnel-visioning the bots.

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He's one of those people if you say anything nice about the game at all he'll call you a simp and have a full on meltdown.

The bots are a HUGE issue. I agreed with him on this in his own thread, I believe. But aside from frontline roulettes, I haven't had issues queueing for roulettes OR getting into the server. There are plenty of bots on my main server too--saw a boatload of them today on Mateus.