3% HP nerf, what a giant slap in the dev's face

　　　The FF14 SE Job Balance team needs to get off their lazy ass and get to work ACTUALLY TRYING OUT THE JOBS.
They said they "play tested" the raid tier. There are 2 answers to this: either they tested but only with the out performing jobs, or they haven't play tested and blatantly lying to us looking at first world streams to get an idea of the job balance.

Do you even know what was written on the 6.21 for PLD "Sustained damage and dealing mechanics with ranged attacks" RANGED ATTACK!!??? WHAT DO U MEAN RANGED ATTACK WHEN THE BOSSES ARE FRICKING 100% UPTIME!!!??

If the savage raids are going to be like this going down the line Casters and RDPS needs a huge buff in comparison to the Melee DPS. Have you see!!??? Some pfs are doing 3 melee comps because of the shit job balance this tier. It shows they haven't tested jack shit. Or they need to reduce the boss hitboxes to Stormblood savage raid boss hitbox size. while keeping the mechanics the same size.

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Originally Posted by YuuYun

　　　The FF14 SE Job Balance team needs to get off their lazy ass and get to work ACTUALLY TRYING OUT THE JOBS.
They said they "play tested" the raid tier. There are 2 answers to this: either they tested but only with the out performing jobs, or they haven't play tested and blatantly lying to us looking at first world streams to get an idea of the job balance.

Do you even know what was written on the 6.21 for PLD "Sustained damage and dealing mechanics with ranged attacks" RANGED ATTACK!!??? WHAT DO U MEAN RANGED ATTACK WHEN THE BOSSES ARE FRICKING 100% UPTIME!!!??

If the savage raids are going to be like this going down the line Casters and RDPS needs a huge buff in comparison to the Melee DPS. Have you see!!??? Some pfs are doing 3 melee comps because of the shit job balance this tier. It shows they haven't tested jack shit. Or they need to reduce the boss hitboxes to Stormblood savage raid boss hitbox size. while keeping the mechanics the same size.

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The so-called RANGED ATTACK is just a joke. I have to agree with Xenos on this one. It never really is that big of a deal.

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Originally Posted by Kachou_

I know it is kind of illegal to say it here.

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You are quite literally the first person I've seen here say Machinist is the least consistent DPS, and while I'm not so hardheaded that I can't consider a new viewpoint, I ask you to skim through the data available from ShB to now, and point to me where your claim is supported. In nearly every encounter with very few exceptions, machinist show the tightest performance bands post Shadowbringer, largely due to how little encounters change how they approach things, how little variables there are in their rotations, and how extreme crit variance has to be to meaningfully swing them.

Hyosho is notable due to its high potency and the fact that you have 10 casts per encounter on average, but Machinist has nearly 50 tool GCDs, 20% of which are Auto Dcrit. Even the robot this expansion was made less swingy as it added an additional, similarly powered punch.

Sure, you can DCrit them both, but you can also Dcrit None, or Dcrit just one. The more times you swing, the more likely you are to average out, and the machinist does a lotta swings with a lotta similar potency skills.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You are quite literally the first person I've seen here say Machinist is the least consistent DPS, and while I'm not so hardheaded that I can't consider a new viewpoint, I ask you to skim through the data available from ShB to now, and point to me where your claim is supported. In nearly every encounter with very few exceptions, machinist show the tightest performance bands post Shadowbringer, largely due to how little encounters change how they approach things, how little variables there are in their rotations, and how extreme crit variance has to be to meaningfully swing them.

Hyosho is notable due to its high potency and the fact that you have 10 casts per encounter on average, but Machinist has nearly 50 tool GCDs, 20% of which are Auto Dcrit. Even the robot this expansion was made less swingy as it added an additional, similarly powered punch.

Sure, you can DCrit them both, but you can also Dcrit None, or Dcrit just one. The more times you swing, the more likely you are to average out, and the machinist does a lotta swings with a lotta similar potency skills.

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20% Auto Dcrit??? really??? Are you sure about that?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You are quite literally the first person I've seen here say Machinist is the least consistent DPS, and while I'm not so hardheaded that I can't consider a new viewpoint, I ask you to skim through the data available from ShB to now, and point to me where your claim is supported. In nearly every encounter with very few exceptions, machinist show the tightest performance bands post Shadowbringer, largely due to how little encounters change how they approach things, how little variables there are in their rotations, and how extreme crit variance has to be to meaningfully swing them.

Hyosho is notable due to its high potency and the fact that you have 10 casts per encounter on average, but Machinist has nearly 50 tool GCDs, 20% of which are Auto Dcrit. Even the robot this expansion was made less swingy as it added an additional, similarly powered punch.

Sure, you can DCrit them both, but you can also Dcrit None, or Dcrit just one. The more times you swing, the more likely you are to average out, and the machinist does a lotta swings with a lotta similar potency skills.

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A tight band is not called consistent. It is called the job is too simple so everyone is at almost same skill level.
Also translates to no job depth, and more dependent on luck instead of optimizing rotation.

For example if you are have a skill of 95 percentile for DNC, the final damage is likely from 92-98. For MCH is like you have a skill of 75 percentile, the final damage is can be from 50-99. That is more like what I call consistency. For DNC you can optimize gcds and ogcds in your burst window. For bard you can arrange your songs in a different way. For MCH, welp, you can try to put your robot in burst I guess? It is not like that makes a huge difference. As for the evidence you want, I do have a few joke post I saved, where someone did a terrible rotation but Crit 60% of Drills and got a 99% parse.

How to solve it? Simple, just make all big damage skills into Matra Magic. Multi-hit small damage. However it seems devs is too *&%$ and can only think of auto crit and deleting Kaiten.

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Originally Posted by Kachou_

A tight band is not called consistent. It is called the job is too simple so everyone is at almost same skill level.

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Welcome to Endwalker, where the only job that's complex is the one you personally play.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You are quite literally the first person I've seen here say Machinist is the least consistent DPS, and while I'm not so hardheaded that I can't consider a new viewpoint, I ask you to skim through the data available from ShB to now, and point to me where your claim is supported. In nearly every encounter with very few exceptions, machinist show the tightest performance bands post Shadowbringer, largely due to how little encounters change how they approach things, how little variables there are in their rotations, and how extreme crit variance has to be to meaningfully swing them.

Hyosho is notable due to its high potency and the fact that you have 10 casts per encounter on average, but Machinist has nearly 50 tool GCDs, 20% of which are Auto Dcrit. Even the robot this expansion was made less swingy as it added an additional, similarly powered punch.

Sure, you can DCrit them both, but you can also Dcrit None, or Dcrit just one. The more times you swing, the more likely you are to average out, and the machinist does a lotta swings with a lotta similar potency skills.

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A MCH does about 30 gcds(Hypercharge) every 55 seconds btw. Only one of them is Auto Dcrit. I dont understand where you got the 20% from. OK now I understand, when you say tool it is within the DRILL/ANCHOR/SAW. That make sense.

Fun fact: There is a auto not Dcrit ogcd.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Welcome to Endwalker, where the only job that's complex is the one you personally play.

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umm, I am saying MCH is objectively simpler tho.

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Originally Posted by Kachou_

umm, I am saying MCH is objectively simpler tho.

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Sorry, I meant that as a joke.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I tossed you the basketball and you dropped it. We're on the same team. We don't get a point.
I am punished for your performance.
I don't need the scoreboard to tell me that, because I know that had I shot it myself, then the only person to blame for how it went would be me.

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You are not punished, the team is punished.
Your performances remains the same, the one who dropped the ball gets lower performance.
It's the other player that drags the team down.

If that other player got the ball and managed to get a point, you won't get rewarded either.
If that other player improves their game and manage to get the ball and get more point, your game and actions don't change but the outcome is different.
It's the team as a whole who gets rewarded, not only you.

We can't forget that this is a teamgame, not about personal parses and colored numbers.
Do you think a player that is more consistant, run faster than anyone but has 0 teamplay would be a welcomed assets?