Yoshi P statement regarding third party tools

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

If that is the case then why are the whining threads still continuing.

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Hrothgar players on consoles still have to deal with the hat and hair problems, poor guys.

Get wrecked and banned cheaters. WOOOOOW SO WRECKED BRUH

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

60 fps is unfair to console players, crutchbot is cheating, but let's not lower the PC version to their level.

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Who knew that the PC version automatically means no matter what potato of a PC you have you automatically get 60 FPS, 8K resolution :)

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Because there are certain crowds upset that the mods exists whatsoever, regardless of whether or not they impact them in the slightest. Most people using QoL stuff or mods keep it all to themselves, though the former has become more prevalent on streams. Some people just don't want them to exist, period.

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I will never ever understand humanity and having the need to reveal their secrets to the public. People really need to learn to keep their secrets to themselves. Just shut up and play the game. Like no one gets it.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

Who knew that the PC version automatically means no matter what potato of a PC you have you automatically get 60 FPS, 8K resolution :)

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Your mom's laptop is not a gaming PC, but yeah a good resolution is an advantage console players don't really have, ultra wide monitors make the game way easier, let's cap PC at 720p.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Your mom's laptop is not a gaming PC, but yeah a good resolution is an advantage console players don't really have, ultra wide monitors make the game way easier, let's cap PC at 720p.

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Wut.

Console players can play at 4k or 60fps just fine?

Ultra wide doesn't make the game easier at all.


What are you on with these oddball claims?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Wut.

Console players can play at 4k or 60fps just fine?

Ultra wide doesn't make the game easier at all.


What are you on with these oddball claims?

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PC Mustard Race no understand

I arrived in time to see another war between console and PC

Ill never get what ppl actually dislike on our hud.... i never had any realy issues i could not fix...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Ill never get what ppl actually dislike on our hud.... i never had any realy issues i could not fix...

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I've seen pics of some of the modded uis.. They look like garbage, bright colors on every ui element, squared boxes for everything. Just ugh.

I play on PC w/ a controller and ps4 w/ a mouse and keyboard. Fite me.
/box

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

I play on PC w/ a controller and ps4 w/ a mouse and keyboard. Fite me.
/box

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this is cheating. You are using 3rd party controller to play on PC just like on consoles. Banned!

At the end of the day, it's the same status quo:

We don't actively pursue people using third-party addons, unless you are openly advertising it.

Because they know that if they start to systematically detect and ban people, they will lose a big portion of their userbase.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Your mom's laptop is not a gaming PC, but yeah a good resolution is an advantage console players don't really have, ultra wide monitors make the game way easier, let's cap PC at 720p.

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Woosh. Right over your head.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Wut.

Console players can play at 4k or 60fps just fine?

Ultra wide doesn't make the game easier at all.


What are you on with these oddball claims?

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Funny joke, I laughed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trIiUXdEyo0

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Ill never get what ppl actually dislike on our hud.... i never had any realy issues i could not fix...

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Because they come from other games and are accustom to their HuDs. Several WoW players have commented on being overjoyed with some of these HuD mods because they simply couldn't get used to it. I can appreciate that because I'd feel the same going to WoW. I hate how their HuD looks. I'm also guilty of doing the same thing in other games by trying to rearrange stuff to look and feel similar to FFXIV.

It just comes down to preference.

You know what this game needs that PSO2 has had for ages? A way to check for market board prices when your listing an item. It's so easy you just right click an item and select check market prices and it pops up with all the listings it has.

We need an anticheat asap.

Ban all the cheaters.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

You know what this game needs that PSO2 has had for ages? A way to check for market board prices when your listing an item. It's so easy you just right click an item and select check market prices and it pops up with all the listings it has.

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This already exists when you sell an item through a retainer

I can't believe so many people here still play Skyrim Vanilla.

How does this thread devolve from a legitimate discussion on third-party tools to a petty discussion on PC vs console? Some people really manage to outdo themselves.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

How does this thread devolve from a legitimate discussion on third-party tools to a petty discussion on PC vs console? Some people really manage to outdo themselves.

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don't disturb my favorite television show

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

don't disturb my favorite television show

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Only if you share the popcorn?

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Only if you share the popcorn?

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sure. Take a sit

I feel that SE should take serious steps to address the fact that this game requires servers and connections built across actual physical distances, perhaps some FTL tachyon based communication to help me triple weave in Crystal Tower while playing on wifi on my Dad's 10 yr old laptop while he works at Machu Picchu.

While I acknoledge what I'm going to say concerns a minoritarian population, I would really like to see if they could consider among the changes updates to accessibility, regarding people with disabilities.

It might be swampy territory, given in some cases, accessibility could translate into a tool for unintended cases, but the more choices it opens, the better.

Would be nice if they'd do something to help users that aren't in JP/California have a better experience without 3rd party tools/VPNs. While I personally avoid stuff like XIVA because I didn't want to worry about getting in trouble, it's been rough being in the midwest. When the servers were in Canada I actually had an incredible ping. But my gaming experience got drastically worst when they moved them all to CA. You have a much bigger advantage just because of where you live in the US and it sucks. I think I went from having 20-30ms ping to 120ms because of the server move.

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Originally Posted by Zaniel

I feel that SE should take serious steps to address the fact that this game requires servers and connections built across actual physical distances, perhaps some FTL tachyon based communication to help me triple weave in Crystal Tower while playing on wifi on my Dad's 10 yr old laptop while he works at Machu Picchu.

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Educate yourself or something.

None of is strictly illegal because it's not breaking law. ToS violations are not illegal and I will die on this hill. In game rules are not legal issues, no one is getting criminal marks for using parser.

Argh this bothers the hell out of me.

When the servers were in Canada my ping was awful due to the ddos protection they were using. And I was on the east coast.

There is no reason for you to get 120 ms from the Midwest to California. I get that to CA from Sweden ffs.

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Originally Posted by Imora

None of is strictly illegal because it's not breaking law. ToS violations are not illegal and I will die on this hill. In game rules are not legal issues, no one is getting criminal marks for using parser.

Argh this bothers the hell out of me.

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Terms of Service means the set of rules the company sets in order to use their products, where they're within rights (right you grant them by agreeing to their ToS) to sanction your account or outright ban it as they deem fit.

Mods aren't illegal but they're not allowed either by the company and, if they decide to ban you over them, you'll have little say about it.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Terms of Service means the set of rules the company sets in order to use their products, where they're within rights (right you grant them by agreeing to their ToS) to sanction your account or outright ban it as they deem fit.

Mods aren't illegal but they're not allowed either by the company and, if they decide to ban you over them, you'll have little say about it.

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Not entirely true, the modification of either soft or hardware is highly illegal in japan. You can get serious jailtime for that. That said in most western countries it is not illegal.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Not entirely true, the modification of either soft or hardware is highly illegal in japan. You can get serious jailtime for that. That said in most western countries it is not illegal.

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The thing about it is they can't exactly enforce japanese law outside, well, Japan. So the most they can do is set Terms of Service and use it as a reference for legal battles in any country's court.
At least, that's my understanding about it, since I'm not a lawyer.

ITT cheaters justifying cheating
should just be grateful they're even implementing popular tools as in-game features (marker presets and collectible checkmarks are two that come to mind)

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Originally Posted by Imora

When the servers were in Canada my ping was awful due to the ddos protection they were using. And I was on the east coast.

There is no reason for you to get 120 ms from the Midwest to California. I get that to CA from Sweden ffs.

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My ping from Ohio to California is 120ms and I don't live in a rural area. I'm on cable internet so it's not like I'm on anything like DSL. I don't know why it's that high, it's not something I can control. The thing about NA is our stuff is just set up in a terrible way. I don't even have the option to go to a better provider because in NA different ISPs have monopolies over different states.

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We believe that people use the aforementioned tools to expand the HUD and display more information because they feel that existing functions are insufficient for tackling high-end duties. In recognition of this, we intend to review the most prominent tools, and in order to discourage their use, endeavor to enhance the functionality of the HUD. Though it will take some time, we're determined to make it happen ─ not least for the benefit of those who play on consoles.

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Please look into other sections as well! Specially in the housing department. There is tools out there allowing for placement of furniture in the air, and while I do not promote third party tools, I do wish this was a basic housing feature. Glitching is so commonplace these days they might as well make things easier for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Twizzlers

ITT cheaters justifying cheating
should just be grateful they're even implementing popular tools as in-game features (marker presets and collectible checkmarks are two that come to mind)

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I suppose living in California is cheating then.

Every time you enter PVP, you're cheating.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Good players can absolutely clear raids without addons. In the hands of a great player, some addons simply become a tool that pushes their gameplay further. I found that with DBM in WoW, you could push your planning, mapping and optimization in ways that a bad player never would regardless of addons.

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I'll be bluntly honest: the single most useful third-party tool I've seen in this game isn't one that helps you clear anything, but tells you why you didn't. There's an ACT addon called "Oopsie Raidsy" which literally just dumps out a list post-encounter showing who took what avoidable damage (e.g. something that gives you a vuln or damage down), and for any death it shows what the most recent thing that damaged the player was -- and how much damage they took, versus how much health they had.

I think that's an excellent example of the sort of QoL mod that helps a good raider become better. (Or at least, helps a static become better.)

You can do the fight just as well without it -- it provides no benefit during a pull -- but from everything I've seen it can be extremely useful for helping a static figure out where something's going wrong afterwards. Did that DPS die to being clipped by an avoidable mechanic that turned the unavoidable one into a one-shot, or did they just not have enough healing before the unavoidable one? If someone takes 200k+ of damage in one go, it's pretty likely they got clipped by something (or did a mechanic wrong), and the healer couldn't have done much to get them through it. If someone dies to 23k of damage when they had 18k health out of their total 53k max health? That's probably on the healer, not the player who hit the floor.

It's basically the same as taking a VOD of the pull and rewinding it to watch carefully for what went wrong, except already expressed in a convenient data format to save time.

So if there were anything inspired by a mod they were going to add into the game other than general QoL UI/UX tweaks, I would absolutely want it to be that: not something that makes the actual fight easier, but some sort of optional post-fight damage breakdown or timeline you could review. (Or at least, one in a format that's easier to read than trying to scroll through the "Combat" tab to find the right line.)

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

That said, I don't miss DBM. There is a line you can cross where an addon goes from QoL or self improvement to a straight up advantage over playing the intended way. Addons that call out mechanics before they even happen, show telegraphs when there normally aren't any or automatically assign markers are crossing that line imo. I don't think players are automatically "bad" for using them, but we don't need them in the game either.

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As I've said before, I don't care too much if people use those. I think it's a problem if they rely on them, but I think it's a problem if a group relies on me as a shot-caller, too. Because it's unquestionably a potential problem if you can't raid without the mod doing callouts... but I'm not sure it's a worse (or even fundamentally different) problem than if you can't raid if your shot-caller misses a week or has laryngitis or whatever.

A shot-caller -- human or otherwise -- should only ever be a sanity check on your own read of mechanics, for if you happened to be looking away or turned the wrong direction to see the telegraph or whatever. They are not instructions to be blindly followed. If you use those mods only as a sanity check on your own read, I'm not going to judge.

If you use them to blindly tell you where to go rather than even trying to read them yourself... well, I'm going to admit I think that you're doing yourself no favors. Especially if it means you are completely unable to raid on patch days. Because if I encounter you in PF and you can't do a single mechanic because your automated callouts are broken... maybe I won't judge you for it, but I'll probably be at least mildly annoyed.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Every time you enter PVP, you're cheating.

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I can attest to that.
Once, I went in as AST, as I usually do, and I pressed buttons. It felt dirty, but also, I felt so good doing it that it became almost addictive. I soon felt myself pushing buttons more and more, and then, before I knew it... the deed had been done.
The buttons were pushed and victory was achieved. It was almost euphoric.
I, Aylin Bielawska, an Astrologian on the Adamantoise server, pressed buttons in direct defiance of the healer design in FFXIV's general design modus operandi, and, in doing so, have seen relative success and reaped benefits. And I liked it.
And I would do it again, too.