Petion to add a 7min invincibility to S Ranks upon their spawn.

I think it would be more logical to temporarily leave the hunt in an untargetable/uninteractable state akin to how some FATE bosses/enemies will initially show up and do some RP stuff before you're allowed to actually start beating on them.

That or have some kind of placeholder like footprints appear on where the hunt is due to spawn.

See... either make the mobs spawn infinite like the A hunts with only some hours and make easier conditions, or give them an cooldown with like 5 min. You cant no life it and theres just too much you cant control, heck you cant even check IF an S hunt is up at all... if at least that was finally fixed...

(also, lol at the fact that part of that problem only exists bc of certain ILLEGAL apps)

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Then they shouldn't have instituted an achievement for a mount that required 3000 freaking kills of mobs that aren't always up and only appear during special circumstances.

That's Korea-esque style of game design.

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And this so much... its ok on crafting if theres "Make 2000 HQ items" but those S hunt ones... its so much out of your control, i doubt wed even see the tiger now without crossworlds and isntances lol

Honestly, 300 should be max, maybe 500... maybe make a new one per expension that needs the new hunts but dont just go and say ok you need 5000 S hunts now by 8.0

Those achievements are SE's way of giving up on the actual hunting part. Otherwise, there would be no reason to have such big requirements. I think they just phone this content in each expansion, because the bots prevent actual hunts from ever occurring. It had become more of a zerg, and not so much in poor stats of the players, but in rather lackluster execution. Many people don't even know the mechanics, and some mechanics are hard to spot with large numbers of players.

Failure to reach an S rank in a timely manner is a personal problem. If people don't like it, they should consider looking at other parts of the game to enjoy. You snooze, you lose. Most of us just want to kill it and move on to the next, as is the way of the hunt.

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Failure to reach an S rank in a timely manner is a personal problem. If people don't like it, they should consider looking at other parts of the game to enjoy. You snooze, you lose. Most of us just want to kill it and move on to the next, as is the way of the hunt.

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If the apps didn't exist it wouldn't be such a problem. Spawners should at least not be able to miss their own hunts because a dude with an app tracked it first

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Failure to reach an S rank in a timely manner is a personal problem. If people don't like it, they should consider looking at other parts of the game to enjoy. You snooze, you lose. Most of us just want to kill it and move on to the next, as is the way of the hunt.

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Not a hunts person but as someone working on gathering achievements, quite a few times I’ve seen people loading into a map 5 mins before an S rank even spawn. The rank goes down in seconds and poor souls that happen to not be a part of those groups would come in a few mins after the fact shocked that the S rank is already gone. It’s no longer hunts anymore lol and definitely no longer about being there on time.

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If the apps didn't exist it wouldn't be such a problem. Spawners should at least not be able to miss their own hunts because a dude with an app tracked it first

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Most of the old hunt websites are still in operation. If they don't want to use an app, why not use those? They work just as well.

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Not a hunts person but as someone working on gathering achievements, quite a few times I’ve seen people loading into a map 5 mins before an S rank even spawn. The rank goes down in seconds and poor souls that happen to not be a part of those groups would come in a few mins after the fact shocked that the S rank is already gone. It’s no longer hunts anymore lol and definitely no longer about being there on time.

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Then they should be tracking timers instead of waiting on callouts from others. Simple as.

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Most of the old hunt websites are still in operation. If they don't want to use an app, why not use those? They work just as well.



Then they should be tracking timers instead of waiting on callouts from others. Simple as.

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That would be more feasible if SS ranks didn't take hours to spawn, world travel becoming omega congested and usually getting pulled the instant that it spawns. Sometimes for SS ranks it's down within a minute. Relays sometimes don't come fast enough. It's v easy to miss because of that

The game just shouldn’t encourage third party apps, websites or anything. It’s just bad design that players have to resort to using that in order to function. The amount of free to play games I’ve played in the past never got this bad with third party tools. Even if players were using them for themselves it never affected other people that didn’t want to since content was designed around a solo perspective first and group second. That way no one had to worry about third party players and could enjoy it the way it was intended. That’s just my opinion on it though.

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That would be more feasible if SS ranks didn't take hours to spawn, world travel becoming omega congested and usually getting pulled the instant that it spawns. Sometimes for SS ranks it's down within a minute. Relays sometimes don't come fast enough. It's v easy to miss because of that

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The 3rd party sites that use said app exists. That said, it still blows my mind when an S/SS rank dies within a minute so when others see that then they get a mentality where you need to zerg any rare spawn that they see as soon as it getting attacked. That allows griefers to pull to their hearts content. In short, just give me my ZNM system Yoshida!

From a recent Q and A:

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Q. Could there be a way to confirm when hunters have killed S ranks?

Yoshida: This way it would become content that can be done in a detached way, when what we want is for players to exchange information. It’s a joint endeavor of players using external sites to track S rank spawns, so we don’t want to make it too convenient.

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While I don't necessarily agree with the answer here, this shows the devs are aware of external websites and intend for players to exchange information via such methods. This almost certainly includes Hunt trains and sharing S spawns too.

Hunts seem to be one of the last vestiges of actual mass cooperation and player engagement left in this game, so it makes sense why the team is hands off when it comes to Hunts.

Hunts are things tracked and regulated by the community, and it should probably stay that way. 3rd party programs will pretty much always exist in an MMO -- we are simply too good with the internet and whatnot for that to not be a thing. Not only that, but it's as Yoshi said with ACT: its a pain to draw that line. Some people say that a bot program that pings a hunt shouldn't be allowed, but a fanmade website that has user-speculated and entered data is okay. Some don't even like the website. You could get really extreme and say that hunt Discords shouldn't be allowed cause it's 3rd party.

Just make S Ranks so hard that takes over 100 to kill one. That will fix the problem and force them to wait or wipe.

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Hunts seem to be one of the last vestiges of actual mass cooperation and player engagement left in this game, so it makes sense why the team is hands off when it comes to Hunts.

Hunts are things tracked and regulated by the community, and it should probably stay that way. 3rd party programs will pretty much always exist in an MMO -- we are simply too good with the internet and whatnot for that to not be a thing. Not only that, but it's as Yoshi said with ACT: its a pain to draw that line. Some people say that a bot program that pings a hunt shouldn't be allowed, but a fanmade website that has user-speculated and entered data is okay. Some don't even like the website. You could get really extreme and say that hunt Discords shouldn't be allowed cause it's 3rd party.

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The problem with the bot is that it's pinging people instantly by datamining the game client to immediately isolate where a S rank is the moment it spawns. In a system the devs feels should be "first come first serve" it very much falls into the territory of cheating and providing an unfair advantage. It's made more aggravating by the fact that the bulk of relays being collected by this program are coming from actual gathering bots that happen to present in the zone when a hunt spawns; something I try to mitigate by specifically waiting until no ephemeral/legendary nodes are active to attempt spawn triggers.

A significant number of the dedicated hunters hate it, but have basically been forced to bite the bullet and rely on second-hand relays from said program because being actively involved in trying to spawn hunts or having connections with other spawners via linkshells/discord no longer gives you a leg up over the "everyone else" crowd who'd rather just AFK by aetherytes waiting for relays to go out.

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Just make S Ranks so hard that takes over 100 to kill one. That will fix the problem and force them to wait or wipe.

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There are some definite scaling issues with HP pools on EW hunts because the S ranks apparently have only around 10% more HP then the ShB ones despite the DPS of a level 90 being much higher and due to keep getting higher as new raid tiers release.

I don't think it would be unreasonable to give them at least 50% more comparatively which would help ensure they're at least able to get through one cycle of their mechanics before they die because some like Ruminator and Ker have a noticeable ramp-up time before their mechanics start getting especially dangerous and racking up a significant head count.

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While I don't necessarily agree with the answer here, this shows the devs are aware of external websites and intend for players to exchange information via such methods. This almost certainly includes Hunt trains and sharing S spawns too.

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It sounds like he knows about trains, but not about the program which just track hunts within the visible range of your client, which automates hunting in a way which he clearly doesn't want. I feel like the knowledge of that might prompt him to order the team make some hunt changes, like no crossworld hunting to help with congestion at least or higher HP values for the actual hunt mobs.

I can dream anyways I guess. Maybe one day hunting will be great again, for now it's just sitting around waiting for a program to relay a hunt and hope you can make it there as a homeworlder before crossworlders take all the spots.