Its exactly like every DRK thought.

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

It's funny how problems with DRK get brushed off because it's a little bit ahead in DPS overall, but the moment you flip it around and point out WAR isn't that far behind it suddenly people cherry pick data where it's actually GNB that's top DPS. And GNB isn't top DPS even in the top 1 percent, or ahead of WAR by 200.

Like do you really think the top 1% of the top 1% have so much trouble with "odds of winning" doing a few tens of thousands extra damage is making a difference?

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Yeah they think that DRKs can just mash buttons and have 25%-50% lead on the poor other tank. Oh the humanity. If anything, judging by the data GNB will overtake DRK by Savages. We're already a literal sliver apart at 675-677 illv.

"It's ok if you're 2nd in savage after GNB, you still got TBN !"

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

"It's ok if you're 2nd in savage after GNB, you still got TBN !"

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IKR? The TBN copium is real, even after all other tanks get massively improved mitigation options on low CD.

But what if you are sitting at a sliver of health before a TB, how are heal effects going to save you then? But also heal effects don't do anything because healers are constantly overhealing tanks (except DRK I guess).

Even then, a GNB using HoC gets the heal immediatly. That's like 10% of their HP +30% mitigation.
Though if you are low HP before a TB the fight was likely screwed to begin with.

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

But what if you are sitting at a sliver of health before a TB, how are heal effects going to save you then? But also heal effects don't do anything because healers are constantly overhealing tanks (except DRK I guess).

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Superbolide>HoC>HoT until healer gets on the ball

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

It might address the survivability issue, but it'd only be a bandaid fix.
Dark Knight needs some serious rethinking about his gameplay flow and how its mechanics interract with each other.

Giving it sustain will just make it less awful, but still boring to play.

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I disagree, I only play PLD and DRK at 90, and PLD in comparison to DRK feels slow, methodical and very boring. I don't play at a high level, but on PLD my mind set is " Keep dot up, keep FoF on CD, Keep Req on CD" When I fail to do any of those it just feels bad, and boring. Despite it being clearly much easier to survive on during expert dungeons, or the random extremes I do get around to playing.

Drk does have problems. It feels like a machine gun for 30 seconds and then it feels like your fumbling to reload your 6 shooter until the next pull. One of the things I would suggest is to make sure DRK gets full mp between pulls. Hell give it to all tanks, I doubt it effects any of them like it effects DRK. That would keep me playing DRK in dungeons. On bosses... God DRK feels awful, I don't play with buff window timings or organized play. So its all fire and forget on CD, and " God damnit I burned all my MP, and can't TBN this mechanic" its incredibly unsatisfying.

Honestly I don't really like the design decision to align everything on raid buffs, this just restrains all job rotations around those windows.