Can one truly be "carried" in an Ultimate Raid?

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Originally Posted by weebtext

Considering he took a photo of his screen instead of a screenshot I'm gonna say yes, he was carried. There's no way you can clear an ultimate and not know where the screenshot button is.

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*opens my phone gallery*
scrolls through dozens of terribly lit and pixelated pictures of my character ; _;

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I'd say that if 24 people operating at your current capacity and throughput couldn't clear the Ultimate, then to some extent you were carried. If you were slightly below the output needed, then someone slightly above that average carried your slack across the finish line.

Not that it's a huge deal, but if we're getting technical then that's how I see it.

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To be honest even though I think riche was "carried" I don't agree with this take.

This is a team game and people have different struggles with different mechanics.
An absolute chad could be the first to learn every mechanic and consistently do it but then they run into one mechanic where they fail extra hard comparatively to anyone else in the group you have a few choices when this happens none mutually exclusive.

A. Get better.
B. Rely on your team to help you/carry you.
C. Study.
D. all of the above.

A group is only as strong as its weakest link and there are some mechanics that people will struggle with even after having cleared something multiple times.
What that means is if you want that clear you either replace a weak link every time it shows up in a different mechanic or you lock it down and you help your team, especially if they ask for your help.

If this was like dungeons or roulettes or something I would agree though.

Carried or not, doesn't matter, he cleared.

The only problem is when brainlets start pointing to him like "Haha! See he cleared super quick and he's new!! What's your excuse!?!?"

Like dang, I guess I forgot to grab 7 of the best players to mom and dad me through learning it.

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Originally Posted by AusarViled

100% Carried, you don’t need to have the best raiders in game to get through an ultimate, it looked like he had 0% clue of what was going on in the fight. It’s fine, he is a streamer, they are all like kids: for better or worse, their experience is different and that’s fine

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You clearly didn’t watch. He DID know what was going on until Golden. Anytime there was a wipe he asked questions and did his best to learn from his mistakes. To say he had 0% clue is just moronic. Hell, when he wasn’t in the raid he was studying the Xeno guide to the raid, just so he could understand and contribute more.

Of course it's possible to get carried through an Ultimate.

In my opinion, if your whole party performed at your percentile, would you have been able to clear? If yes: cool and earned, if no: lame and carried.

The salt was wonderful to watch. People generally jelly they don't have seven cleared players to help them, and only them through content. That's what the jealousy stems from. Aether and Primal you can hop onto ultimate PF nightly and grind your skull out. It's not impossible either, just there is asegment of the game has a push-a-button-to-clear mentality. You see it in this forum too, people complaining about drop rates, something too hard, etc. Well if everything was easy, everyone would have done it.

The thing is Rich put about four full days, like 35-40 hours of head banging time in UCoB, including watching PoVs and guide ingestion. You really can't carry people through it, and even shot calling isn't an acquired skill, that's stems from Rin clearing so much that it's second nature to call the fight in tailored way for the newer player. Then there is the 8-man tower mechanics, to basically just staying alive during Golden Bahamut as you get a damage buff. If more than several people die, you don't make the DPS check. Anyone who clears it did make a contribution to the jump rope.

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Originally Posted by technole

You really can't carry people through it, and even shot calling isn't an acquired skill, that's stems from Rin clearing so much that it's second nature to call the fight in tailored way for the newer player.

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I love that many of the arguments here basically boil down to "no, he didn't deserve it because his raid leader and team was too good". I somehow doubt people are demoting their raid leaders for explaining tactics too well, or kicking people out of the group for being too far ahead on skill because it would invalidate their clear.

Most of it is salt that he had access to a decent team and didn't have to suffer bad groups like they did. But if they had access to a great team, they'd leap on it without hesitation. You don't get an invite from an exceptional static and go "nah, sorry man I'm looking for bad players, I want to earn my kill". But they expect others to do exactly that.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I love that many of the arguments here basically boil down to "no, he didn't deserve it because his raid leader and team was too good". I somehow doubt people are demoting their raid leaders for explaining tactics too well, or kicking people out of the group for being too far ahead on skill because it would invalidate their clear.

Most of it is salt that he had access to a decent team and didn't have to suffer bad groups like they did. But if they had access to a great team, they'd leap on it without hesitation. You don't get an invite from an exceptional static and go "nah, sorry man I'm looking for bad players, I want to earn my kill". But they expect others to do exactly that.

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I don't think there is anything wrong accepting help (if 7 of the best raiders said "we're going to CARRY, neverminded you trying, ultimate, do you want to join?", not saying Rich did that, I'd be like.. yeah okay, but that's never going to happen lol - there is no view value in that), but it is worth noting that the opportunity is not normal and is clearly consistent. Like if you're a Hollywood star and you want to eat at a restaurant with a waiting list vs if you're bob who makes burgers. You bet your bottom dollar there is going to be some preferential treatment (the star of course can help the restaurant bring even more publicity).

Comparing ourselves to the star of something is a bit apples to oranges. Whatever a popular creator experiences is not going to be your regular person's. Of course it seems off. If some weird reason Pewdiepie was like "I want to play FFXIV" you bet 30 seconds from logging in he has the 50 mil gil mount lol, and he also cant see his screen, just like Asmongold was trolled for the first while of playing (and is still relatively strongly surrounded at most times, that really doesn't represent any normal person's experience).

We shouldn't really be comparing ourselves to the strong outliers of the game, although Ultimate itself is already an outlier lol, yet this is an outlier of outliers XD.

Of course whatever they do is going to be different. Like being upset you don't have the president's escort service to school lol, of course not- you're not the president! No one should think that these entertainers, who clearly do entertain hence their popularity, represent the average player experience. Sometimes that's for the worse too, like only recently did some of these people feel like they could unshackle from one game, any mistakes, especially bad takes, can haunt them (Hello Quin69 lol), etc, etc.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

Considering he took a photo of his screen instead of a screenshot I'm gonna say yes, he was carried. There's no way you can clear an ultimate and not know where the screenshot button is.

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I wasn't aware that ultimates featured a crazy mechanic that required everyone in the party to take a screenshot mid-fight to avoid a wipe! Thanks for the PSA! The more you know...