If FFXVII is a new online game... would you move inmediately?

This is actually an interesting question to me. XI continues because of a lot of reasons, and even now I would probably play it on the side if time allowed. Even as much as things have been sped up in XI, it still has a lot of very long-term goals you can engage in. XIV is a much different critter though. Strictly theme-parky. At the point where all story content is done, and all the fights cleared at least once for the hell of it, I would have no reason to keep playing this game in the face of a fresh FF MMO.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

It's hard to say if I'd even theoretically move considering we have no info about what their next MMO could even be like.

However, I highly doubt that FF17 will be an MMO considering the disinterest SQEX has shown in creating and supporting 4 MMOs at once and creating more competition for themselves, especially since they've very interested in putting more support into FF14 since it's got so much wind in its sails.

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4 MMO's There's FFXI, FFXIV, and DQX... Is Front Mission Online still going? I don't recall that one really feeling like an MMO though. TBH, they'd probably find a vast amount of new revenue if they'd just port DQX outside japan.

With the 20th anniversary of XI coming up we might get some news on SE's future MMO outlook.

I would like to see an XI-2 instead of XVII. A new Vana'diel based game, with it's core gameplay similar to XI but with a few additions from XIV so I'm not waiting 3 hours for a party like the bad old days.

If XI-2 is a no-show then XVII better be an actual MMORPG, which XIV isn't really.

Remember that XIV was announced in ~2007, they didn't wait until XI was dying to start work so I'd be surprised if the next MMO wasn't already in the works.

I would since it have updated engine and up to date graphics.

I'm absolutely sure they'd much more quickly announce a remake of the engine of XIV than make another one. Or do this just the same and rename it whatever new numbered FF it would be.

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Originally Posted by Herebedragons

I think that's more of a problem with FFXIV's story being linear, with a lack of RPG elements. Nothing to do really with our character being the focus of said story.

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I don't disagree really, but the issue you run into IMO is that MMOs which place such a focus require the linearity in order to be able to maintain it, due to the increased work load (as well as issues about which outcome is canon or not as the world moves forward) it entails. Faction-based MMOs (WoW, SWTOR, WAR etc.) tend to be a bit different because you're then tweaking the story a bit for each faction, and I don't think it's an accident that these tend to be the MMOs I enjoy most story-wise. If an MMO could devote the resources to both a story focus and a reasonable degree of non-linearity I'd agree with your point but I think it's difficult to disentangle them in practice.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

It's hard to say if I'd even theoretically move considering we have no info about what their next MMO could even be like.

However, I highly doubt that FF17 will be an MMO considering the disinterest SQEX has shown in creating and supporting 4 MMOs at once and creating more competition for themselves, especially since they've very interested in putting more support into FF14 since it's got so much wind in its sails.

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Seeing how different what Yoshi has in mind for a future MMO is to XIV, XI and I imagine their DQ MMO, I don't think it'd even compete for the same type of player. Perhaps for their internal resources but they are capable of running multiple concurrent projects.

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Originally Posted by Katsuragi_

I'm absolutely sure they'd much more quickly announce a remake of the engine of XIV than make another one. Or do this just the same and rename it whatever new numbered FF it would be.

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Certainly for an MMO of XIV's type, I'd agree - and they do seem to be looking into overhauling the engine. Granted, his words are non-committal, but it's much more positive about it than they've been in the past, coupled with this about the textures - a project they previously said would be highly costly.

If the combat, and story is good..and has good content sure? Nothing ties me down to an mmorpg, and if a better one comes out. I will go to it.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I don't disagree really, but the issue you run into IMO is that MMOs which place such a focus require the linearity in order to be able to maintain it, due to the increased work load (as well as issues about which outcome is canon or not as the world moves forward) it entails. Faction-based MMOs (WoW, SWTOR, WAR etc.) tend to be a bit different because you're then tweaking the story a bit for each faction, and I don't think it's an accident that these tend to be the MMOs I enjoy most story-wise. If an MMO could devote the resources to both a story focus and a reasonable degree of non-linearity I'd agree with your point but I think it's difficult to disentangle them in practice.

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FFXIV's focusing on the player character for the narrative is actually a spin that I have appreciated more and more, especially with Shadowbringers. It's a nice twist on most MMOs I've played where you're just there and the most you do is run around letting the important characters get together. I think FFXIV's take on it is more influenced by the fact that it's a JRPG than anything else. JRPGs have fewer RPG elements, and less character creation control, if they even have any at all and your character isn't already established with their own appearance and even name and personality. The stories are much more linear and their worlds are less open. Though an MMO, I think a lot of that carries over into the bones of FFXIV since it sits atop a mountain of previous FF and DQ games that the developers and company have made.

FFXIV took a lot of inspiration from WoW and GW2, but abandoned the factions and instead have a storyline about the previous factions uniting together. FFXI does sort of the same thing as the factional storylines converge into the MSQ. This is despite the fact that Yoshi-P was a WoW player, and FFXIV already had existing factions that fought each other, so it seems like that's the direction he wants to take. Being the head of the division that would be making any future FF MMO, we're stuck with him and his ideas so that might be what a future FF MMO would look like if there even is ever another one.

From all your posts in other threads complaining about the narrative and lack of choices, it seems like JRPGs just aren't the genre for you and you might be better suited playing Western RPGs and MMOs.

When a decent western MMO comes along, perhaps... or a SE one with a darker direction to it. Whichever comes first. I am keeping an active eye on upcoming MMOs. There are some JRPGs I've appreciated, but I will agree that their themes generally do little for me as a genre. I mainly enjoy their aesthetics a bit better than Western ones, and sometimes the odd one comes along with the right story to match it.

I wish FFXVII will be an Online game, it could be the sequel to FFXIV but with modern graphics and a strong flexible code without the limitations of the current game.


1. You'd move inmediately?

Yes.


2. You'd keep playing FFXIV for a while?

If there was still content to play.


3. You'd play both if can have a discount for the pack?

Yes.


4. You'd play both no matter what?

No, I would jump ships as soon as possible if nothing held me back in FFXIV.


On another note, I would love a M rated game full with adult content.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

I wish FFXVII will be an Online game, it could be the sequel to FFXIV but with modern graphics and a strong flexible code without the limitations of the current game.


1. You'd move inmediately?

Yes.


2. You'd keep playing FFXIV for a while?

If there was still content to play.


3. You'd play both if can have a discount for the pack?

Yes.


4. You'd play both no matter what?

No, I would jump ships as soon as possible if nothing held me back in FFXIV.


On another note, I would love a M rated game full with adult content.

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Just need to pick up the pace so we can get to FFXXX. Then we can have all hell break loose and get answers to questions you wish no one had ever asked and are now scarred for life because you were given said answers... lol

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Originally Posted by Lauront

When a decent western MMO comes along, perhaps... or a SE one with a darker direction to it. Whichever comes first. There are some JRPGs I've appreciated, but I will agree that their themes generally do little for me as a genre.

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It doesn't help that FFXIV started out as being very similar in tone and mood to the more serious JRPG's out there such as Final Fantasy XII and Vagrant Story. We got another taste of that with Bozja, at least, which to me is the height of the game's storytelling so far.

Whether the writers can ever surpass that remains to be seen, though I'd like more inspiration to be taken from the likes of Shadow Hearts, Breath of Fire IV and the Legend of Dragoon.

Thankfully there's a number of MMO's set to launch in the coming months/years that may or may not provide some much needed healthy competition in a rather stagnant market. Perhaps that'll encourage bolder decisions where FFXIV's story is concerned, or at least provide a viable alternative to play.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Just need to pick up the pace so we can get to FFXXX. Then we can have all hell break loose and get answers to questions you wish no one had ever asked and are now scarred for life because you were given said answers... lol

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Yes, as though some god from the Cthulhu world whispered into your ear and invaded your dreams.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

4 MMO's There's FFXI, FFXIV, and DQX... Is Front Mission Online still going? I don't recall that one really feeling like an MMO though. TBH, they'd probably find a vast amount of new revenue if they'd just port DQX outside japan.

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4 MMO's with the 4th one being the proposed hypothetical FF17.
When I said "SQEX [isn't interested] in creating and supporting 4 MMOs at once" I meant that they've said they're not interested in making and supporting a 4th concurrent MMO, not that they are currently supporting 4.
Sorry if this was conveyed poorly.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Seeing how different what Yoshi has in mind for a future MMO is to XIV, XI and I imagine their DQ MMO, I don't think it'd even compete for the same type of player. Perhaps for their internal resources but they are capable of running multiple concurrent projects.

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On paper, maybe.
In practice, that will be true to some extent.
But also, flooding the market with your own products is never a financially sound idea. They will inevitably compete with each other to some extent.

Depends.

If it were based on a world already rich with lore like the Ivalice world sure.

Specially if the character creation was more diverse with races like Bangaas, Burmecians, Seeq, Garif instead of just human but cat ears, human but bunny ears, human but dragon tail, human but tall, human but chonky, human but baby

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Yes.

I'm tired of hearing the excuse "Technical Limitations".

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This. When you've been playing since ARR beta you've heard this a million times and to questions of the most basic functions, it gets very tiring indeed. I'd love a new FF MMO that was built well from the ground up. A proper glamour log, a housing system that hasn't been functionally broken since it's inception and it never receiving anything but band aid fixes for 8 years, a character creator that isn't so bare bones in this day and age (technical limitations to separate Au Ra horns from the faces, to add more face paint options, impossible to add beards for male characters, to add more customization sliders etc.), so on and so forth. I love XIV but it's very frustrating when the technical limitations limit the game's potential at every turn. There's so many things a new FF MMO could do better from the start.

Technical limitations I think became a thing in 2.0 cause one of the issues with 1.0 was how it was eating hardware resources. There actually was a bit of a visual downgrade done between 1.0 and 2.0.

Pretty sure they said a new story would be starting after EW- which likely means another ten years. Now, in ten years it'd likely sink in the limitations and such of FFXIV, and I could see them doing another mmo then- but for a 2023 release for an mmo, they'd have to have started 2018'ish... I really doubt even Yoshi P could be making ShB, EW, FFXVI AND a full new mmo at the same time. If he were to make a new mmo, I think that'd take all his attention, and he's really only able to do FFXVI at this point because the departments under him in FFXIV are probably very autonomous by now.

I'd think it'd likely be 2030'ish, and I also imagine they'll want a new vision, so he may end up mostly consulting rather than being in charge.

FFXIV just hit the height of its popularity, and honestly has no competition right now as other big mmos (ESO, BDO) or upcoming mmos (Ashes, New World) are vastly different and capture different audiences- of all the times to make a new FF mmo, this is pretty much the worst possible time.

I would love to see what Yoshi-p and the devs could do with a MMO that has a decent engine for them to work with.

I’d move immediately if the graphics were better in comparison, the setting and plot was considerably fresh and the customization options were bolstered considerably.

Also new races, maybe.

What a bizarre alternate universe that would be to live in; that people actually are flirting with the idea that not only does Yoshi P and his team continue to sustain Final Fantasy 11 online, but also Final Fantasy 14 online, and another Final Fantasy online title; just so they aren't stressed enough.

Slow down ya'll and bring some of that dream energy back into the atmosphere.

sure :D but i dont think 2023 is realistic date for even ff16 lol :D i think they will try still add new content, when its nowadays only gold fish for SE

If it's good I'd play both. Simple as that. Don't have to play only one mmo.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

On paper, maybe.
In practice, that will be true to some extent.
But also, flooding the market with your own products is never a financially sound idea. They will inevitably compete with each other to some extent.

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I don't doubt that the risk exists to some degree, but it really depends on how differentiated it was to their present MMOs. If it's something like Overwatch (action-based, no real persistent world), I don't see much of a cannibalisation risk; if it's like Blue Protocol (action-based but it has a persistent, albeit instanced, world), slightly higher risk, but again, he is discussing it in terms of what they think their audiences desire and he thinks there is some segmentation in that regard. Part of why MMOs can cannibalise each other is because of sub fees as well, and the type of product he is alluding to is usually not accompanied by those, so much as cash shops or season passes. Obviously money is money but it does take one barrier away.

Bear in mind their design philosophy is to go away and play something else with 14 when you run out of things you want to do in it, and that happens pretty quickly for many people - their current content model doesn't seem like it will change. So if that product played in one's spare time were a SE product, it's not like they'd lose from it. It'd also scarcely count as flooding. If they know a chunk of their playerbase is already doing this, they could actually stand to gain from it.

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Originally Posted by Costelad

With the 20th anniversary of XI coming up we might get some news on SE's future MMO outlook.

I would like to see an XI-2 instead of XVII. A new Vana'diel based game, with it's core gameplay similar to XI but with a few additions from XIV so I'm not waiting 3 hours for a party like the bad old days.

If XI-2 is a no-show then XVII better be an actual MMORPG, which XIV isn't really.

Remember that XIV was announced in ~2007, they didn't wait until XI was dying to start work so I'd be surprised if the next MMO wasn't already in the works.

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Between XI and XIV, XI is clearly the one that's aging the worst. So I definitely agree with you. Keep XIV going, it's popular and it will be successful for a while. But make a newer updated iteration of an entry closer to XI than XIV for people who wanted something like XI but not as clunky/PS2-like graphics.

I would try it out for sure, unless initial reviews paint it as being like, 1.0 levels of bad.

Would I drop FFXIV? I'd only fully drop FFXIV if I stop enjoying it. I'd just play it less if there was another MMO in my life.

Whether that would happen depends on FFXVII. Do I like it? Is it just 'FFXIV but better' or does it have its own distinct game design philosphy and focus? There's no way to really answer this question without seeing this theoretical FFXVII Online firsthand.

What if instead of a whole new game Square-Enix simply decided to remake/upgrade Final Fantasy XIV?.


I dream of seeing my cute Miqo'te in photo-realistic graphics.


We wouldn't have to quit FFXIV but simply move to a newer version with a modern look (high-end graphics), then we would simply continue to play in our favorite game, it might cost us one entire expansion in development time but I believe it would be worth the wait.


I don't think the MMORPG genre is dying, there are more games now than before and remaking/upgrading FFXIV would only make SE more money in the long run.


Here hoping Yoshida reads this, this is the ideal solution for a new FF MMO that can move all FFXIV players at once to the new Online game.

If the team were to pull a "WoW-Cataclysm" and use an expansion to essentially redo the existing world and its assets, I'd happily buy it and continue spending all my game time in XIV. I truly adore a great deal about XIV and would be very happy to keep playing it for years and years provided they fix housing, update the hardware infrastructure and graphics, and continue putting out excellent story content.

I'd also be super-stoked for them to do an Ivalice-based actual MMO with the grittier/tragic atmosphere of the original FF: Tactics. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. If my machine at the time couldn't run it, I'd buy a new machine.

I think I will be done with MMOs once FF14 comes to a close honestly. But that's just me.

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Originally Posted by MaLTRaiN

FFXI was online.
FFXIV is online.
So FFXVII should be the next MMORPG.

If Yoshi-P launch a new FF online game (in 2023) and Endwalkers is the last expansion... what would you do?

1. You'd move inmediately?
2. You'd keep playing FFXIV for a while?
3. You'd play both if can have a discount for the pack?
4. You'd play both no matter what?

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I would keep on going with FFXIV. I love it so much and there is a HUGE amount of content I have not done and things I want to accomplish. I figure I am good for another 5-10 years just with FFXIV. :)

Lots of false assumptions which are painful to read.

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Originally Posted by MaLTRaiN

FFXI was online.
FFXIV is online.
So FFXVII should be the next MMORPG.

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It's a single player RPG, with a major departure from other Final Fantasy games, no Tech.

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If Yoshi-P launch a new FF online game (in 2023)

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He's not though.

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and Endwalkers is the last expansion

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It's not though, end of 1st Arc, second Arc starts in the first Content Patch, was already stated, and because FFXI is still going with no signs of being shut down I suspect FFXIV will last another 10+ years.

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... what would you do?

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Going to add word into your mouth to answer your next set of questions by rewording the initial idea.

What if a game designer and development team I respected came out with a new Paid Sub MMORPG in 2023. Besides cry because the MMO market hasn't grown in players since 2010 and the player base has disseminated across 5 MMOs fairly evenly over the last 10 years.

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1. You'd move inmediately?

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Move, no, might try it, but as I maintain 3 active subscriptions to my favorite MMOs I doubt I would quit one to sign up for a new one.

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2. You'd keep playing FFXIV for a while?

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Until I die, they close the servers, or something like what has come out about Blizzard happens.

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3. You'd play both if can have a discount for the pack?

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this is an illogical business plan even if the publisher was SE and it was a FF game, no way would they sabotage one game to push of another, Square Enix is not EA.

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4. You'd play both no matter what?

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Current Active Subs: FFXIV, ESO, SWTOR, Life Time Sub Champions, Life Time Sub Star Trek Online. What do you think?

It wont be so no need to even think about it. There is no need for SE to change when they got one of the hottest MMOs on the market. That being said. I played FFXI till FFXIV 1.0 drop but I played both till FFXIV 2.1 dropped.


All they need to do is the following. Drop PS4 support at 7.
Drop a HD pack.
No need for a new mmo.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

All they need to do is the following. Drop PS4 support at 7.
Drop a HD pack.
No need for a new mmo.

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Yes, graphics are definitely the only thing wrong with the game. :)

I would absolutely love it if they started fresh.
I started about a month and a half ago and while I do really like the game. I'm at like level 52 and sometimes find it hard to log in knowing that I have a phone book full of random quests that are neither engaging or rewarding and I need to do them before I can continue.

I can only imagine this must have been much better / more enjoyable when it was new content

This is such a good question. I feel like I've invested way too many years into FFXIV so it would be hard to just drop everything and leave. But, I probably would jump ship if the 2 people I play with the most decided to leave for good.

I feel like people should really take a step back and think about this sort of thing a bit more practically and realistically, because considering the current landscape of gaming in general, the next Final Fantasy Online has a higher chance in becoming some 4-player Coop Survival game or Battle Royal.

Keep to the present, and enjoy it while you can, because the future may not be what you want it to be.

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

I feel like people should really take a step back and think about this sort of thing a bit more practically and realistically, because considering the current landscape of gaming in general, the next Final Fantasy Online has a higher chance in becoming some 4-player Coop Survival game or Battle Royal.

Keep to the present, and enjoy it while you can, because the future may not be what you want it to be.

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My man is so right it's not even funny.. it's SCARY.

If 17 were a new mmo game, the majority of the mmo populace would not move there; unless a popular streamer moved there.

This is how XIV, been out for nearly decade, and never seen a burst to the top until popular WoW streamers streamed it.......Days later, the game sold out.....Highest viewed game on Twitch for a brief moment, until New World beta happened (Nobody competes with that atm).

MMO have a sheep herd mentality. Nobody will move to from XIV, unless the current king of the land tells them to.

New World is the only mmo in recent memory to get over organically, without major streamers making it popular......But lets see how long that last. Lost Ark is another one, but that have pvp tournaments.

That is why XI players are obsessed with Ninja playing XI, cause they think it will get the game more attention; and why XIV players in the past wanted Asmongon or whatever his name is to play XIV.

If a popular streamer chooses your game, it is like the dime piece chick asking you out.......You are the most popular boi in school....
(But I was the most popular guy, so chicks would ask a brutha out, but I digress......)

Unless a highly popular streamer chooses 17....People from WoW, XIV, New World or Lost Ark are going nowhere.

If NickMercs randomly played GW 1 (Not 2....1.....) within this moment, the game would sell out online by the end of today.....And everyone and their momma would be streaming it on Twitch. MMO gamer, or not......

So long as XIV sells, there is absolutely no need for Square Enix to pursue another FF MMO. It just won't happen.

@Monsutaman

I feel like the reason people jump ship when a popular streamer does it is because when it comes to gaming entertainment, people really, really don't want to waste their time in something that might or be currently thrash.

The mmorpg landscape in the last five years has been somewhat abysmal. Every game that has a multiplayer component seems to try their damnedest at taking your money in every shape or form by luring you in with shiny paint, only to leave you wondering where all the colors have gone later.

So who better for those people to have someone, with a particular weight added to their words, to say "yeah, game is really fun. You can see me actually having fun real-time" to scope out a mmo for you so you don't have your time potentially wasted.