Why is the Cruise Chaser mount from the Mogstation?

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

And wasn't Sleipnir like one of the very first items on the shop as well?

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its pretty old so its definitely been there for years
probably even worse than cruise chaser
in a 8 man fight that requires extremes to be unlocked and is one of these most iconic summons in FF history
set the precedent years ago but people just swept that under the rug and are shocked they are doing it again.

Maybe they could've made it a Recruit-a-Friend rewards like how Twintania (whom also is a raid boss) is a reward from there.
Then everyone would be happy.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Maybe they could've made it a Recruit-a-Friend rewards like how Twintania (whom also is a raid boss) is a reward from there.
Then everyone would be happy.

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Well everyone has the Titania mount by default, the WoL just never calls Feo Uls name.

Does the mount at least play the theme song or is it just generic mount music?

Yeah really should have been a low drop in the raid fight. But I don't plan on buying it since the Lunar Whale is the only mount you'll ever need especially if you got it during the sale.

The $37/$42 8 seater far outclasses the meager $30 2 seater.

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Originally Posted by Eight

Does the mount at least play the theme song or is it just generic mount music?

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From clips I've seen it does play the song.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

I think you are a little late for this

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I didn't like those either, but it's easy to forget about them. The Magitek are just reskins. Carbuncle mount is an acquired taste as far as I'm concerned. Sleipnir is the only real travesty, and he was in a world boss Fate long before Urth's Fount released in 2.5. A raid bud of mine actually gifted me one back in Xmas 2015, so I sometimes forget he's cash shop related, even though I shouldn't.

I don't like or buy most things that go into the cash shop, but even neglecting the past, we shouldn't neglect this. It should be an eye opening example for people, crystal clear. The dev team is involved with the cash shop.

At least it isn't another Feast mount I'll never see

Speaking of The Feast, it's a damn shame a majority of players will never have access to that badass Hellhound armor set.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

I didn't like those either, but it's easy to forget about them. The Magitek are just reskins. Carbuncle mount is an acquired taste as far as I'm concerned. Sleipnir is the only real travesty, and he was in a world boss Fate long before Urth's Fount released in 2.5. A raid bud of mine actually gifted me one back in Xmas 2015, so I sometimes forget he's cash shop related, even though I shouldn't.

I don't like or buy most things that go into the cash shop, but even neglecting the past, we shouldn't neglect this. It should be an eye opening example for people, crystal clear. The dev team is involved with the cash shop.

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More like the entire game is involved with the cash shop. MMO's do not survive on subscriptions anymore. They all have cash shops that sustain them.

Just comment here to show that I dont like seeing the CC mount in the Store....
It could have been a great ingame reward.

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Originally Posted by AziraSyuren

angrily takes out my wallet

You win this round, mogstation.

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And this is exactly why it'll get worse and worse. But then again, gamers are not very smart.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

More like the entire game is involved with the cash shop. MMO's do not survive on subscriptions anymore. They all have cash shops that sustain them.

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Sorry but i do not believe that cash shops are necessary to keep a subcription based MMO alive. I have read an article long time ago. This was an interview with a MMO dev and he said that 50k subscribers are enough to run an MMO. OK, let it be 100k today because of money inflation etc. I guess FF14 has far more subscribers than that.



I wouldn't have any problems with cash shop mounts at all. The point is, i really hate it when someone says something and then does the exactly opposite. When Yoshi-P says that there are not enough developer ressources to do certain things (that players want) then i believe it. But if there are suddenly enough ressources to create shop mounts then i guess the first statement was maybe a lie. But even it was not a lie, it was not honesty.


Cheers

This is a major disappointment. Cash shop has no business in a subscription based game anyway, but something like this is just ridiculous. Here I thought the toast mount was a low blow given there was a literal perfect quest for it.

ff14 literally prints money. It doesn't need to paywall things.

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Originally Posted by Doki

At least it isn't another Feast mount I'll never see

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You mean the mounts that should actually be added to the store after a few years? :p

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Sorry but i do not believe that cash shops are necessary to keep a subcription based MMO alive. I have read an article long time ago. This was an interview with a MMO dev and he said that 50k subscribers are enough to run an MMO. OK, let it be 100k today because of money inflation etc. I guess FF14 has far more subscribers than that.



I wouldn't have any problems with cash shop mounts at all. The point is, i really hate it when someone says something and then does the exactly opposite. When Yoshi-P says that there are not enough developer ressources to do certain things (that players want) then i believe it. But if there are suddenly enough ressources to create shop mounts then i guess the first statement was maybe a lie. But even it was not a lie, it was not honesty.


Cheers

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If you don't make anymore new content .. sure i guess.

I also don't agree that this should be a Cash Shop mount.
Wouldn't even have minded to spent months to farm this mount ingame, since it looks so special.
Just buying it tho, makes it a lame mount and I won't be buying it.

Could've been better, like for 20k wolfmarks or for achievement points
Could've been worse, like wasted as ranked feast reward

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

I wouldn't have any problems with cash shop mounts at all. The point is, i really hate it when someone says something and then does the exactly opposite. When Yoshi-P says that there are not enough developer ressources to do certain things (that players want) then i believe it. But if there are suddenly enough ressources to create shop mounts then i guess the first statement was maybe a lie. But even it was not a lie, it was not honesty.


Cheers

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So.. The cash shop for FFXIV directly funds the game as in money that gets spent there gets directly re-invested in FFXIV instead of going to SE's general profits. Or so they say. Our data center migration and other upgrades were allegedly funded by cash shop profits.


The cash shop modeling/animating/art team is also supposedly separate from the regular dev team. So while they may be using a premade resource, it's likely the shoulder riding animations and new texture (or recolor) was done by them and not the regular dev team.



So while them using a mob that's already in the game and selling it isn't what a lot of people would like.. it's not new and it's still well within the expectations they've set.


The standing agreement is Yoshi P gets to do pretty much what he wants with the game, but the cash shop "baroness" is a higher authority than he is and he cannot affect her teams decisions.


SE gets to siphon the FFXIV sub profits into whatever they want but cash shop money goes directly back into FFXIV.

Could be worse but this agreement has stood since the cash shop went up and we HAVE benefited from it.

I think the biggest slap in the face is them showing us the event mount, which is just a reskinned version of another mount, and then coming out with this. Funny how they stopped giving veteran rewards because “they couldn’t think of anything to give us.” Yet they’re easily able to come up with mogstation items. Not to mention now just pulling straight models and animations from already existing in game bosses? Pretty scummy.

This right here, I don't really cared that much for store mounts but CC is just out of place for a store mount. it should of been a PVE/achievement reward.

Among every mount released in the Mogstation...
This one is the one I can't accept being here and not directly in the game.

Especially because it's in the PVE content.
It's just like, Ramuh (Eden version). Fortunately it was a Savage reward.

I love A11, this boss and this music so much.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Sorry but i do not believe that cash shops are necessary to keep a subcription based MMO alive. I have read an article long time ago. This was an interview with a MMO dev and he said that 50k subscribers are enough to run an MMO. OK, let it be 100k today because of money inflation etc. I guess FF14 has far more subscribers than that.



I wouldn't have any problems with cash shop mounts at all. The point is, i really hate it when someone says something and then does the exactly opposite. When Yoshi-P says that there are not enough developer ressources to do certain things (that players want) then i believe it. But if there are suddenly enough ressources to create shop mounts then i guess the first statement was maybe a lie. But even it was not a lie, it was not honesty.


Cheers

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That article has to be absolutely ancient then. There is no way a high quality MMO could survive on 50k subs.

Developers...costs money.
Overhead...costs money.
Writers...costs money.
Headquarters...costs money.
Food/utilities...cost money.
Bandwidth...costs money.
Customer Service...costs money.
Our demands...cost money.
Advertising...costs money.

And yes, executives...costs money

There is zilch that WE know for a fact about their resources or how much is put specifically into the game as a result of sub, the shop, or anything else. That doesn't mean Yoshi lied about anything.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

So.. The cash shop for FFXIV directly funds the game as in money that gets spent there gets directly re-invested in FFXIV instead of going to SE's general profits. Or so they say. Our data center migration and other upgrades were allegedly funded by cash shop profits.

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Sorry but companies do not act like that. They will not say: "Look! The shop mount brings us so much money! Let us use that money and improve the game.". They will say: "Look! The shop mount brings us so much money! Let us use that money and make more store mounts because there will be even more money.".



If there are enough shop mount andys then the development will shift from the game to the Mogstation.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Funny how they stopped giving veteran rewards because “they couldn’t think of anything to give us.”

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I think they also stated htey dont wanna add up on the days youd need to be subbed so its not impossible for new players to reach the rewards... yet they went and scaled it down to like what? 20 days for cloud? lol

I completely agree with OP.

We already have to pay a subscription fee to pay the game and once each 4 months (or less) they release something on Mogstation that could've be in the game in some way. Cruise Chaser is special for so many people and Square Enix could've placed it as a new reward for Rival Wings or even a prize for a new event encouraging PvP like Moogle Treasure Trove does for old PvE content. It would make total sense! Or they could compensate every player interested in Ultimate that became frustrared about the delay of Dragonsong War Ultimate and develop an exclusive mount for each 1st Ultimate Clear and CC would be going to TEA, but i understand this would be very costly... But even so, this mount being a Mogstation thing feels so... wrong... so... frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

I think they also stated htey dont wanna add up on the days youd need to be subbed so its not impossible for new players to reach the rewards... yet they went and scaled it down to like what? 20 days for cloud? lol

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Yep. Pretty hypocritical lol. I mean they could just add more to the already existing days but nope, let’s put everything on the mogstation so we can have our money put towards marvel’s flopvengers. And then give us a reskinned mount as the event reward. Let’s see which one had more time put into it :D

The sooner some of you accept this is a necessary evil the better you will feel. You wanting the mount is the reason why it has value on the mog station. They already told you the mog station profits goes back into the game, and makes the game better for us all. Are you saying yoshi p is lying about it? Either way, games are costly to make and maintain, and mmo prices are staying the same while it costing more and more to fund and maintain the game itself.


Heck we pay more for phone services and other stupid things, and we get far less content, and requires far less work to maintain that, than to maintain a mmo. So if keeping the price the same, and putting up with a cash shop. So be it.

This is a major disappointment but not something we haven't seen before. Indeed, Sleipnir, the mount rode by Odin, was added in the mog station a few years back. This is not new. But the difference is that CC is really popular, because it stems from Alexander raids in the HW expansion and to be fair, HW and its new "savage" content explained a lot the game gaining in popularity and awareness, which drove more players to it then. In consequence, I think a lot of players feel a deep nostalgia for that content and expected better for CC. I mean, pvp instances and a ultimate raid have been designed along and around this content, this could have been MEANINGFUL, REWARDING IN-GAME CONTENT. Instead, greedy SE has decided to sell it for 30 dollars and make it a meaningless mount to have...
SE clearly doesn't need to do that. The game is literally exploding with subs right now as WoW refugees are swarming and famous twitch streamers doing a huge publicity by playing it all day. SE can even afford to give 2 weeks free subs. I do not think that's something a company in need of money would do...
I'm fine with the cash shop, I'm even fine with cash shop selling in game content like NPCs outfits, or mounts, that aren't tied to hard content. But selling mounts from content that has a hard version, that means time and sweat from some players, that's where I draw the line.
That was the worst low blow in a while, SE. Please don't do that again.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

The sooner some of you accept this is a necessary evil the better you will feel.

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No. Only when they stop doing this. Either its cash shop or an insane grind or whole kinds of mounts locked behind feast/pvp. Why is the same pvp allagan orb 3-4x at pvp only? why cant one be from somewhere else? Why all of those chairs had to be only feast? If you literally can make 5-10 reskills/recolors theres no reason to lock all of em behind one (unloved by most) content. Why trashing all older mounts at the mogtome instead of adding anything new just for there? make an 500 tokken mount idc that grind, even less if theres an wide choice of what i can do.

Add as much cash mounts as you like, really. IMO we get too few stuff there. Yes, too few. Theres so much stuff I would not mind, the Manacutters the pirates during mhach used, a reskin of the Eden 1 savage mount, an fire red reskin of the heavensward firebird. A golden Kyuubi - or that fate mecha kuubi from Bozja.

Add the basic carbunlce as reward for the lv 80 summoner quest and make 3-5 recolors for the mogstation if you have to. Heck they couldve made an Golden chaser with effects and add the normal one for Anything ingame. Like kill 100 mecha on a chaser during RW... anything.

For me - and I suppose many others - its not about the mogstation or having mounts there, but how its handled...

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

The sooner some of you accept this is a necessary evil the better you will feel. You wanting the mount is the reason why it has value on the mog station. They already told you the mog station profits goes back into the game, and makes the game better for us all. Are you saying yoshi p is lying about it? Either way, games are costly to make and maintain, and mmo prices are staying the same while it costing more and more to fund and maintain the game itself.


Heck we pay more for phone services and other stupid things, and we get far less content, and requires far less work to maintain that, than to maintain a mmo. So if keeping the price the same, and putting up with a cash shop. So be it.

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Fact of the matter is, for as much money the mogstation is making and how many new subs we’ve had, we really haven’t seen a huge improvement of things this expansion. Sure we can blame covid but things were already confirmed missing before the pandemic was even a thing and the devs themselves said they were working at 95% efficiency. We aren’t really seeing a valid return of content. Hell, events have become more and more watered down this expansion.Summer event doesn’t even have a jumping puzzle lmao.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Fact of the matter is, for as much money the mogstation is making and how many new subs we’ve had, we really haven’t seen a huge improvement of things this expansion. Sure we can blame covid but things were already confirmed missing before the pandemic was even a thing and the devs themselves said they were working at 95% efficiency. We aren’t really seeing a valid return of content. Hell, events have become more and more watered down this expansion.Summer event doesn’t even have a jumping puzzle lmao.

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I am going to blame covid but not for that reasons. Players have way too much free time now, and less options to go out. Like yes players always complain about the lack of content they like, but MMO players are endless in hunger for content and consume it so fast.


If you make the content too easy they complain.
If they make the content quick. They complain
If you make it grindy? They complain.


The simple truth is. Even in this mmos bad day, the content patches they come out with blows the water out of any other mmorpg. If they telling me that this cash shop goes back into the game. I'm going take word for it, because they are killing it with content. Even if you think the content is worse, or lower in quality. That could be lack of ideas, or just breaks needed from team.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

The sooner some of you accept this is a necessary evil the better you will feel. You wanting the mount is the reason why it has value on the mog station. They already told you the mog station profits goes back into the game, and makes the game better for us all. Are you saying yoshi p is lying about it? Either way, games are costly to make and maintain, and mmo prices are staying the same while it costing more and more to fund and maintain the game itself.


Heck we pay more for phone services and other stupid things, and we get far less content, and requires far less work to maintain that, than to maintain a mmo. So if keeping the price the same, and putting up with a cash shop. So be it.

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Imo nothing that you said justifies the decision of putting this mount on Mogstation for 30 dollars and there's many reasons for it.

First of all, there's more than enough money to sustain the game and make it better. Secondly, there's no guarantee that every penny is invested in the game to make it better. I could go on, but i think i already made my point.

And btw, there's people that doesn't wanna pay 2 times the sub on a special mount because it's expansive and stupid, making it outrageous. CC mount could've be in-game on PvP, for example. Rival Wings is a thing, you know? The community tries to revive it each weekend while Square Enix puts this mount for real money (lots of money for a few people btw) on Mog. So much waste... This is the kind of thing that makes us players extremely disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

I am going to blame covid but not for that reasons. Players have way too much free time now, and less options to go out. Like yes players always complain about the lack of content they like, but MMO players are endless in hunger for content and consume it so fast.


If you make the content too easy they complain.
If they make the content quick. They complain
If you make it grindy? They complain.


The simple truth is. Even in this mmos bad day, the content patches they come out with blows the water out of any other mmorpg. If they telling me that this cash shop goes back into the game. I'm going take word for it, because they are killing it with content. Even if you think the content is worse, or lower in quality. That could be lack of ideas, or just breaks needed from team.

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But if our money is really going towards the game, we should be seeing upgrades of stuff, not seeing things like dungeons and weapons being cut. With this influx of subs, there’s really no excuse for it. We can make up excuses for it, but it’s the fact currently. Again i bring up veteran rewards. They completely dropped that and for what, a shitty excuse that they then literally solved after discontinuing it? For as much effort as they seem to put into the mogstation(and yes i know it’s a separate team but point still stands) and then seeing how much effort they put into in game things like events, its pretty sad. This easily could’ve been implemented as either a mount for the recent gold saucer event or what have you. They saw it as another way to milk money out of the playerbase. Said money might not even being going towards this game as well.

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Originally Posted by MuraBoy

Imo nothing that you said justifies the decision of putting this mount on Mogstation for 30 dollars and there's many reasons for it.

First of all, there's more than enough money to sustain the game and make it better. Secondly, there's no guarantee that every penny is invested in the game to make it better.. I could go on, but i think i already made my point.

And btw, there's people that doesn't wanna pay 2 times the sub on a special mount because it's expansive and stupid, making it outrageous. CC mount could've be in-game on PvP, for example. Rival Wings is a thing, you know? The community tries to revive it each weekend while Square Enix puts this mount for real money (lots of money for a few people btw) on Mog. So much waste... This is the kind of thing that makes us players extremely disappointed.

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I mean they really don't need a valid reason. It is a business, and their game. Players who don't like it don't matter. They will keep playing the games, and people who want to buy it will buy it. I am at least more understanding why they do it. I mean the fact that mmos are still 13-15 dollars a month is a darn good deal

Couldn't agree more! - No excuse when they litrally have more subs than they had digital codes ready to use, people defending this are the problem and are rewarding this disgusting greed.

Welp that's killed any reserved motivation I had to play for a while.

No incentivizing people to play rival wings
Nothing to spend mgp on
Nothing to spend achievement tokens on
Could've been something to give the blu mains something to do
Maybe give somethin' for the ultimate raiders to shoot for since the second ultimate got pushed back

But nah, just swipe your credit card, no need to actually play the game you already pay for. This is just a fandom milking operation. Here, have this nearly untextured reskin of an already existing bear. Fastest growing mmo baybee!

Yes because it is greed to want profits. Look, as much as you all hate it. Some people love it. Who is in the right? Noone, If you don't like it. You have no power to stop it. You can not buy it, but enough people do buy it so that won't matter.



The only thing you can do is accept it, or not support this game. And we all know the addiction is so strong that you will voice how sad you are about it. Without a single understanding of how business works, and or if they are even making enough money to cover the cost. We really don't know. Heck even money does not fix the issues of servers, and just overall needing trained people to help work on the game. That times time resources, and yes money, but MONEY can't just make things happen.



Would you rather pay 25 dollars a month, or 13-15 dollars with a cash shop? I know some would say 25, but man bump that.

Coming from a design background and frequently creating character models and assets for both game and film - it is insulting knowing how little work went into that mount... litrally just "open texture node map" - "insert saturation node" - drag slider left = DONE