why has Role Playing in battle become a thing

I thought this was going to be a thread about players roleplaying in combat lol.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I only had an issue with such battles when they were limited to three buttons and the enemies were damage sponges. The faster paced battles with more buttons to press have been a lot more enjoyable to me.

Besides, it's nice to not have every victory ever revolve around the player character. I don't play the game to sate my ego, after all.

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While I still wasn't a huge fan, the ones in the latest patch were an improvement for sure.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

they are a source of frustration, all it take to fail these is a single screw up even on easy mode. at least with a cutscene you can watch or skip it. you cannot do that with the role play battles.

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Er...In what content is this not the case?

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

guess I should have figured I would be outnumbered and you all give some compelling arguments. but I would rather just watch them in a cutscene than play them. maybe my time playing this game is nearing the end since I see that you all are having fun with it and I'm not.

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They're one time things for those points in the story? They take a few-ish minutes, maybe 10-15 at most. If you're thinking about quitting a game because of a very occasional thing that rarely pops up I literally don't know what to say?

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

okay so I waited to complain about this(yes this is a complaint)
I pay a monthly fee to play MY character yet through the MSQ I'm being forced to roleplay NPCs.
I do not find this the least bit fun or even a tiny bit enjoyable. I feel like it breaks the immersion for me.
At first I let it go but this is ridiculous. it is making me seriously reconsider whether I'm even going to buy endwalker at all let alone resub.

do any of you agree with me? if you do please like my post, if not please tell me why you enjoy it.
also please keep this thread civil. too many flaming arguments happen on these forums and I would rather this not be one of them.

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I don't agree with this. I think it's fun to play as one of the Scions and see how they deal with the story without the WoL nearby.

I am just waiting to play as Yshtola next.

Even if I agreed with you on this it happens *so* infrequently it's a non-issue.

Of all the things they can spend time to alter, adjust, fix, this is not one of them. Give Viera better hairstyles and the ability to wear hats please.

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Originally Posted by Morphiana

Of all the things they can spend time to alter, adjust, fix, this is not one of them. Give Viera better hairstyles and the ability to wear hats please.

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If they don't do it anymore... there's nothing to fix or adjust or even spend time on. They have more time to fix your hair and hats. In all seriousness, I have always been an advocate to allow the player to skip these. Have them for people who like them? Sure. Don't like them? Don't make me do them. Simple as that and it shouldn't take much code to put an input box in front of the event.

Personally, I find them clunky, dull and frustratingly long especially when I'm forced to play a character I am not particularly attached to or in a past situation where my involvement in the fight doesn't change the outcome. If I were changing an outcome in the past with the echo? Fine. Okay. I'm not changing anything? Why am I reliving it not just seeing it?

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

If they don't do it anymore... there's nothing to fix or adjust or even spend time on. They have more time to fix your hair and hats. In all seriousness, I have always been an advocate to allow the player to skip these. Have them for people who like them? Sure. Don't like them? Don't make me do them. Simple as that and it shouldn't take much code to put an input box in front of the event.

Personally, I find them clunky, dull and frustratingly long especially when I'm forced to play a character I am not particularly attached to or in a past situation where my involvement in the fight doesn't change the outcome. If I were changing an outcome in the past with the echo? Fine. Okay. I'm not changing anything? Why am I reliving it not just seeing it?

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It's part of the story in a role playing game, don't know what to tell ya.

What's done is done for the expansion in terms of story / MSQ, they work one expansion ahead of time.


But like I said, I enjoy it and it seems there are plenty of people here who also enjoy it. Not everyone likes every aspect of MSQ, that's to be expected it's an MMO with a wide variety of players but to demand a portion of it be removed is a bit much when it's been well received for the most part.

Again, given how few and far between they are it feels more like nit picking more than anything. Even when you do them it's one mission, one time maybe every 3 patches or more.

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Originally Posted by Morphiana

But like I said, I enjoy it and it seems there are plenty of people here who also enjoy it. Not everyone likes every aspect of MSQ, that's to be expected it's an MMO with a wide variety of players but to demand a portion of it be removed is a bit much when it's been well received for the most part.

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So, just to make sure we're on the same page. You would agree with a simple option to skip these events in future implementations of this content then? Even if it were simply pressing escape during the trial to bring up a box to skip it like you would any other cutscene?

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Originally Posted by Morphiana

Again, given how few and far between they are it feels more like nit picking more than anything. Even when you do them it's one mission, one time maybe every 3 patches or more.

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We all have our nit picks, I'm sure. You mentioned your own earlier. What interests me about this particular topic, though, is I am curious how many people defending this particular feature of the game would actually opt in if it were not forced upon them.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

We all have our nit picks, I'm sure. You mentioned your own earlier. What interests me about this particular topic, though, is I am curious how many people defending this particular feature of the game would actually opt in if it were not forced upon them.

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I'm one. I've loved this since that surprise with Alphinaud. Much more than a cutscene, it shows the talents the Scions bring to the table and is a break from my normal playstyle.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

I pay a monthly fee to play MY character yet through the MSQ I'm being forced to roleplay NPCs.

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No, you pay to play this game.
And all that it entails.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

We all have our nit picks, I'm sure. You mentioned your own earlier. What interests me about this particular topic, though, is I am curious how many people defending this particular feature of the game would actually opt in if it were not forced upon them.

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Possibly more than you think. I do know players who are into the "I want to play as Urianger" thing. I imagine it's why SE added the role play duties in the first place - they had a lot of players asking for it as a fan service throwback to other FF games where you evidently could only play as a certain NPC instead of creating your own character.

I'm not in that camp. I want to be playing a character I've created and set up to my liking (to the best of my ability within the limits of the game), that I've given motivation for participation even if the game script ultimately determines what my character does. I'm not interested in playing some stock NPC whose story has been completely written by someone else and that gives me no agency in the experience I have within the game.

I think fan service is a good way to ruin a game because it divides the player base between those trying to relive their old favorites (which may not be a favorite of other players even to the point of being actively disliked) and those who are looking for new experiences. If someone wants to relive those old games, they should go play them so the experience in the current game isn't disrupted for others who are also enjoying that game.

We're already at the point we do very little playing of our characters during MSQ considering the amount of time spent in cutscenes or teleporting around versus content that is actually played (combat or otherwise). I think the general fear may be that our characters are on the path to being eliminated as having a major active role in the MSQ if more and more role play duties continue to get added. Will it get to the point our characters end up like (5.55 spoiler)

Arenvald in his wheelchair, unable to act, feeling stuck watching on the sidelines

because the other Scions are made the center of all the interesting playable action?

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

We all have our nit picks, I'm sure. You mentioned your own earlier. What interests me about this particular topic, though, is I am curious how many people defending this particular feature of the game would actually opt in if it were not forced upon them.

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That's a tough one for me. I like the concept of the RP battles. I don't know that I really like how they're actually implemented or executed though. So, yeah, if given the option of opting out I'd probably skip some and do others depending on my mood and on the character I was being asked to play as (as well as what the scene itself entailed). I guess I can say it wouldn't really hurt my feelings if they never happened again.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

We're already at the point we do very little playing of our characters during MSQ considering the amount of time spent in cutscenes or teleporting around versus content that is actually played (combat or otherwise). I think the general fear may be that our characters are on the path to being eliminated as having a major active role in the MSQ if more and more role play duties continue to get added. Will it get to the point our characters end up like (5.55 spoiler)

Arenvald in his wheelchair, unable to act, feeling stuck watching on the sidelines

because the other Scions are made the center of all the interesting playable action?

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I'm sorry? I was under the impression that us doing anything to progress the MSQ is us being active in the story. How exactly did we play as our own character very little in any of the MSQ throughout the years?

At no point have I felt like my character was being minimized, the PC is literally the star of the story in nearly every possible way. In fact in some cases they put too much glory on the PC sometimes far too quickly. I have to imagine you're playing devil's advocate right now yes? Especially with that spoilered slippery slope you put in at the end.

Anyone who thinks this is some kind of indication that we'll stop playing as our own character in an MMO is smoking something quite strong.

Incidentally, I found the part where I played as my character in the final MSQ duty of Shadowbringers to be the most dull overall, though it didn't really help that the boss in question was almost a 1-1 recreation of something we've fought already unlike the others.

Okay but this goes beyond nitpick. We have someone supposedly saying they might not buy the expansion because they're forced to play another character for like 5 minutes that might happen 2-3 times across the whole expansion.

I love this part of the game, It's the essence of the game the RP aspect. Getting to experience our favorite and not so favorite NPC's getting into their heads a bit, seeing how they see, fighting as they do. It's such a unique feature and it's fun!

I would never opt out if it were an option.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

*A special Tataru RP mission would be an honour to partake in. :D

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I hope to see that her hotbar has a whole set of Carbuncle orders that instead prompt it to chase its tail, curl up to sleep or run off entirely.

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Originally Posted by noxen

It's almost as if the game is an MMORPG.

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The MMO part is completely absent during quests, and specially MSQ, though.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

The MMO part is completely absent during quests, and specially MSQ, though.

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lol not really almost every other quest is more dungeons and trails msq would be so much better if it was honestly lol (yes trust can enter dungeons but they do no aoe so using them when msq realistically is more of a pain lol

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

The MMO part is completely absent during quests, and specially MSQ, though.

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That's exactly his point. When you're questing, especially in solo instances like this, the MMO part is put aside and it's very much an RPG (or JRPG more specifically) in which there's nothing strange about playing in the role of another character.