Plots everywhere demolished and open!

That's what you need to do to "earn" a house these days?

Am I the only person to see that as majorly screwed up??

No, the system is bad. I don't think anyone likes it, but I'm happy for all those who got new homes today (not people who already have homes and got a second, third, etc, but brand new owners).

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Welcome to the club. Don't feel even a little guilt when you move your estate to a camped placard; you're a high roller now.

That said, while I'm glad it just so happened to work out for you, the crossed-through text is a good example why I'm really not comfortable with the system as it is; it's some of the worst design mentality since pandemonium warden. Borderline abusive to the playerbase.

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Later on when she wanted to move, does she have to keep camp and clicking on the placard again, or moving to a new place does not require clicking and camping placard?

Relocation skips the timer. You can just go up to the placard and buy it right away.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Relocation skips the timer. You can just go up to the placard and buy it right away.

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And then the old plot goes on timer? Mine was gone within the hour yesterday, but maybe someone relocated there too.

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Relocation skips the timer. You can just go up to the placard and buy it right away.

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Oh okay, so basically, there’s almost no downside to just getting whatever plot becomes available now and just relocate later.

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Oh okay, so basically, there’s almost no downside to just getting whatever plot becomes available now and just relocate later.

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You'll be out a bit more money because you have to purchase land twice, but you get a discount of I believe 30% of the minimum price of your old land towards the new so it's still nothing compared to camping.

I really hate this housing system. The most punishing and unfair ever.

New houses open? That's just false hope and luring us into a trap. Hours of trying and no garantee to get anything. There are also people using macros like cheating. And there are people who can relocate and waste all our hours trying.

SE stop this. It's torture. Just like when i go to work, i expect a paycheck, not maybe get a paycheck. We should all have the chance to get a house.

When i buy something, i expect it to work. I'm not buying a lottery, i,m buying playtime to have fun. Not this.

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That's what you need to do to "earn" a house these days?

Am I the only person to see that as majorly screwed up??

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Not the only one. It's a disgusting housing system. It needs to be instanced like all the other mmos out there. Only ffxiv make housing a torture.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Gratz on the house SturmChurro

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Thanks!

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Congratulations! You definitely earned it. lol I'm glad such determination wasn't for nothing.

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Yep! Just checked housing right now, and it looks like for all of Excalibur there are a total of TWO plots available, both in The Goblet. It was then or never. It was for a reason! I was so tired, I just fell asleep. Woke up not too long ago.

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Congratulations SturmChurro, you beat placard (savage)! :D



Now time to garden and organize all your seasonal event items :3

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I was afraid, I was there with 2 afkers, then a couple guys from this guild rolled up. Started jumping around everywhere, and random inviting me to their FC - constantly, but I couldn't acknowledge them! I had to keep clicking buy on the placard! Then more people kept coming. There were others actively clicking it, when I won the property. I got lucky.

Yeah, "organize" is a... strong word. I'll share what I've done so far, but it might annoy some people here. Though, since I plan on moving plots, I don't really want to actually decorate it too much. WIP (not really, literally just dumping decor out of inventories :p):

I'm horrifying my neighbors right now

Camera makes it look bigger than it is.

https://i.imgur.com/XsGEnCA.png

https://i.imgur.com/txt9Y2W.png

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Welcome to the club. Don't feel even a little guilt when you move your estate to a camped placard; you're a high roller now.

That said, while I'm glad it just so happened to work out for you, the crossed-through text is a good example why I'm really not comfortable with the system as it is; it's some of the worst design mentality since pandemonium warden. Borderline abusive to the playerbase.

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Definitely not! I worked too hard for housing to settle on a Goblet small, of all things.

After spending the first 6 hours, I was already deep in. I had to keep going until I got my house, I am not exaggerating right now, I would have stayed up all night clicking until either that house sold to me or someone else. I actually couldn't help myself. Sad to say, but I do have obsessive tendencies. You wouldn't want to see my thought process on glamour in this game either, things for me HAVE TO MATCH. When they don't it irritates me to no end.

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You'll be out a bit more money because you have to purchase land twice, but you get a discount of I believe 30% of the minimum price of your old land towards the new so it's still nothing compared to camping.

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Smalls are so cheap, it doesn't matter. I've already made back my money this morning off of sold bozja cluster farm items..

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

I really hate this housing system. The most punishing and unfair ever.

New houses open? That's just false hope and luring us into a trap. Hours of trying and no garantee to get anything. There are also people using macros like cheating. And there are people who can relocate and waste all our hours trying.

SE stop this. It's torture. Just like when i go to work, i expect a paycheck, not maybe get a paycheck. We should all have the chance to get a house.

When i buy something, i expect it to work. I'm not buying a lottery, i,m buying playtime to have fun. Not this.

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Camping a desirable location and ward is probably a no go, but even in The Goblet there is a risk of relocation. Some people I was at a placard with, were complaining in say about trolls relocating to plots even there.

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Oh okay, so basically, there’s almost no downside to just getting whatever plot becomes available now and just relocate later.

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Well you have to pay twice no? Once for the first plot and once for the second.

Also i don’t think relocaters get advantage on any new plots. Just plots with timers.

But yes not really a downside if you have the Gil. An advantage in my cases.

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Camping a desirable location and ward is probably a no go, but even in The Goblet there is a risk of relocation. Some people I was at a placard with, were complaining in say about trolls relocating to plots even there.

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A lot of us do like the Goblet. I mean it was the first place I got a house when I didn’t know much about it, and now it’s just home.

I will move if/when I can go to Ishgard, but I honestly don’t see why the hate for the goblet :D

Congrats btw!

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I'm horrifying my neighbors right now

Camera makes it look bigger than it is.

https://i.imgur.com/XsGEnCA.png


https://i.imgur.com/txt9Y2W.png

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I can't really judge. That is exactly what my apartment looks like.

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If you're unsubbed for so long that your house demolishes, were you even using it really?

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Have you ever thought that people may have had something happen in real life that had kept them from logging in? Just because someone doesn't log in, doesn't mean they weren't using their house.
Take it from someone who had a large and used it every day until something happened that kept me from logging in and lost it.

Also, your correct about housing items and gil, but only if you login within 30 days (?) to pick it up from the NPC. Otherwise, it all get deleted. Gil, housing items (even mogstation items bought with real money).

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Well you have to pay twice no? Once for the first plot and once for the second.

Also i don’t think relocaters get advantage on any new plots. Just plots with timers.

But yes not really a downside if you have the Gil. An advantage in my cases.

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A big advantage of relocating is you get to do so at a discount. And another is that you can bypass the timer entirely. So yes, they get an advantage on any plots recently demolished as well as newly added ones since they can pick and choose at a discount and without limits.

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A lot of us do like the Goblet. I mean it was the first place I got a house when I didn’t know much about it, and now it’s just home.

I will move if/when I can go to Ishgard, but I honestly don’t see why the hate for the goblet :D

Congrats btw!

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I think it's because people think it's the least aesthetically pleasing location. I have seen some bad plot locations though, there's this one I was looking at yesterday, on the side of a cliff, pretty much surrounded by walls.

For me, I just want to move, because my City State is Gridannia, so I should have a home in Gridania. I would make an exception for expansion housing though.

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I can't really judge. That is exactly what my apartment looks like.

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Well, I realized that I don't craft:

https://i.imgur.com/8Gh8fLZ.png

Nor do I want to spend a ton of gil decorating my house right now. Better than leaving it empty! Gotta level up my crafters, for another reason now!

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https://i.imgur.com/8Gh8fLZ.png

Nor do I want to spend a ton of gil decorating my house right now. Better than leaving it empty! Gotta level up my crafters, for another reason now!

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You can also get some furnishings for relatively cheap by doing beast tribe dailies to level your crafting. A win/win.

Like this one.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.955zBV...a?pid=Api&rs=1

Truly magnificent.

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You can also get some furnishings for relatively cheap by doing beast tribe dailies to level your crafting. A win/win.

Like this one.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.955zBV...a?pid=Api&rs=1

Truly magnificent.

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Oh yeah, I've been putting off leveling crafting for years. That beast tribe in particular has some really nice items. Love that, and I LOVE the mount they give too. I've missed out on quite a few desirable beast tribe items, because I don't craft. Looks like housing will now be added to the list.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You can also get some furnishings for relatively cheap by doing beast tribe dailies to level your crafting. A win/win.

Like this one.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.955zBV...a?pid=Api&rs=1

Truly magnificent.

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This isn’t even my final form.
https://i.ibb.co/1r1CjF1/25-C06812-A...01-D36-BCF.jpg

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Oh yeah, I've been putting off leveling crafting for years. That beast tribe in particular has some really nice items. Love that, and I LOVE the mount they give too. I've missed out on quite a few desirable beast tribe items, because I don't craft. Looks like housing will now be added to the list.

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Hey Sturm I am over on Lamia. If you need furniture I'll craft whatever you want, Until you get your crafting up. Dont worry about price I dont charge unless its something pricey like the trophies for the current Extremes or requires map materials.

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Hey Sturm I am over on Lamia. If you need furniture I'll craft whatever you want, Until you get your crafting up. Dont worry about price I dont charge unless its something pricey like the trophies for the current Extremes or requires map materials.

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Oh, thanks for the offer! I appreciate the thought, but even if I took you up on it, I would want to pay for the furniture. I've only just gotten that house, I haven't even looked into furniture, in general, for this game. So, I don't even know what I would want in the first place! I'm still using a hideous basic house the game gave me. :)

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Well you have to pay twice no? Once for the first plot and once for the second.

Also i don’t think relocaters get advantage on any new plots. Just plots with timers.

But yes not really a downside if you have the Gil. An advantage in my cases.

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I seem to remember that, when new wards were last added, they were locked for a while to FCs and relocations. Which, naturally, meant that all the medium and large plots were gone in minutes. Can't remember if Shirogane had the same locks, or if it was just a free-for-all.

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I seem to remember that, when new wards were last added, they were locked for a while to FCs and relocations. Which, naturally, meant that all the medium and large plots were gone in minutes. Can't remember if Shirogane had the same locks, or if it was just a free-for-all.

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They usually change the rules when they add new wards. There's no telling what we'll need to do until the notes go up, but it's not really worth planning anything until then.

Hopefully this refresh of housing rules will kill placard camping entirely.

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Oh, thanks for the offer! I appreciate the thought, but even if I took you up on it, I would want to pay for the furniture. I've only just gotten that house, I haven't even looked into furniture, in general, for this game. So, I don't even know what I would want in the first place! I'm still using a hideous basic house the game gave me. :)

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Well take a look around at some other players homes. Thats one way to help get ideas going for how to decorate, and just for the fun of it. If you ever visit lamia drop by lavenderbed ward 12 plot 10, the player who owns it decorted it in a way that. Makes it give a really uncomfortable vibe and be wary of the downstairs...it kills FPS :D

someone insert the "its free real estate" meme

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A lot of us do like the Goblet. I mean it was the first place I got a house when I didn’t know much about it, and now it’s just home.

I will move if/when I can go to Ishgard, but I honestly don’t see why the hate for the goblet :D

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Tbh, outside of Brimming Heart the Goblet is very brown and very same'ish.
Like i own Med 19 and it's amazing.
I really liked my old Small 16 as well, but once again, it's Brimming Heart.

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I think the issue I ran into with housing is that the idea was people would buy up buildings and decorate them to form districts, but in the actual game there's little incentive to walk around the districts themselves, so it turns into a luxury instanced thing that loses meaning pretty fast.

I hate bringing up shroud of the avatar, but the one idea they did have that was pretty solid was having the towns and cities have the housing plots in them. People basically would still go through the towns and pass by homes owned by actual players in the course of playing the game day to day, unlike what FFXIV has where we got a new hub city each patch and are constantly moving farther and farther away from home so to speak. The obvious issue with this is that the size of cities would be enormous and constantly sprawling out further and further much like real life cities.

The central hub of Uldah would be like the heart of Chicago, and houses would flood out from all districts completely covering the country side all the way to the port in Western Thanalan. Then housing demolishment would result in vacant districts that would became derelicts. If they had done zoning and other aspects differently, this could have been pretty interesting having to deal with monster infestations when plots got abandoned, and home owners needed to constantly battle off these creatures from damaging the walls or climbing into the homes via walls.

Imagine right now, with all those homes being abandoned, just how much chaos there would be if the few remaining owners had to start calling people in to try and keep the monsters from destroying half their living spaces. Soon you'd have all the players moving their homes together into clusters, with the smaller homes around the bigger ones like buffer zones...

Edit: Actually, we need this. Like, having to buy new furnishings from monsters ruining houses would probably add more motion to the crafting market. Plus it causes a more natural destruction of a limited number of houses...

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I'm hoping this is what they do with Ishgard housing.
They've placed some crafter/gatherer NPC's in there, and there's even a building that looks suspiciously like a public (non-FC) workshop.
If these are retained in the actual wards themselves, it could be a living housing ward.
They would of course need to roll it out to the other four locations as well if they did this, but I can imagine them taking their time to do so.

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A big advantage of relocating is you get to do so at a discount. And another is that you can bypass the timer entirely. So yes, they get an advantage on any plots recently demolished as well as newly added ones since they can pick and choose at a discount and without limits.

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I agree with all of that (didn’t know about the discount, that’s big) but I think that the rules on brand new plots have changed - ie it used to be in their favour to relocate but in the last ones it was a free for all. Either way there doesn’t seem to be any disadvantage besides having to spend more Gil.

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I'm hoping this is what they do with Ishgard housing.
They've placed some crafter/gatherer NPC's in there, and there's even a building that looks suspiciously like a public (non-FC) workshop.
If these are retained in the actual wards themselves, it could be a living housing ward.
They would of course need to roll it out to the other four locations as well if they did this, but I can imagine them taking their time to do so.

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Lore wise we actually built a workshop as part of the restoration. It would be quite interesting if they allowed anyone access to workshop content without needing a FC for it.

At this point, if they aren't going to deal with the RMT that's there and taking up the process, they need to make player housing RMT and take the money themselves.

(Read: Mog Station.)

At this point if they put entire instanced islands up on the mog station, like ESO, I wouldn't even mind. Why have an FC house when you can make an FC village?

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Well take a look around at some other players homes. Thats one way to help get ideas going for how to decorate, and just for the fun of it. If you ever visit lamia drop by lavenderbed ward 12 plot 10, the player who owns it decorted it in a way that. Makes it give a really uncomfortable vibe and be wary of the downstairs...it kills FPS :D

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I'll have to check it out. Yeah, some people can be very creative, and make some really nice houses. I'm sure it takes a lot of work. I would like to do the same someday.

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At this point if they put entire instanced islands up on the mog station, like ESO, I wouldn't even mind. Why have an FC house when you can make an FC village?

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Yeah right! ESO is a horrible example. Their instanced housing is a cash cow for them, they sell houses on there for like a hundred dollars, and do "limited" time sales. It's horrific. If we are talking JUST instanced housing to that extent, NO mogstation, yeah that'd be cool.

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Yeah right! ESO is a horrible example. Their instanced housing is a cash cow for them, they sell houses on there for like a hundred dollars, and do "limited" time sales. It's horrific. If we are talking JUST instanced housing to that extent, NO mogstation, yeah that'd be cool.

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Meh. Idk what else you'd spend the monthly crowns on. They pile up so I buy houses.

I'd rather they just let us buy instanced housing for gil.

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Meh. Idk what else you'd spend the monthly crowns on. They pile up so I buy houses.

I'd rather they just let us buy instanced housing for gil.

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I don't have any monthly crowns. And a pile up of monthly crowns is no excuse for their "limited" time "sales", lootboxes, 50 dollar mounts, and 100 dollar houses. Not everyone is subscribed to that game, it's a buy to play game. I don't care if they have a crafting bag, it's inexcusable. It shouldn't be copied into other games. The only thing they do good is the scope of their instanced housing, aside from their cash shop.

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It's pride.

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I find that very hard to believe since they've had to break their word about people losing their house.

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Meh. Idk what else you'd spend the monthly crowns on. They pile up so I buy houses.

I'd rather they just let us buy instanced housing for gil.

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I don't have any monthly crowns. And a pile up of monthly crowns is no excuse for their "limited" time "sales", lootboxes, 50 dollar mounts, and 100 dollar houses. Not everyone is subscribed to that game, it's a buy to play game. I don't care if they have a crafting bag, it's inexcusable. It shouldn't be copied into other games. The only thing they do good is the scope of their instanced housing, aside from their cash shop.

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IF SE added a means for people who sub to gain a reasonable access to mog shop items then I'd find mog shop concepts far less, BOOOO lol. But certainly if they added items to the mogshop without a reasonable source to purchase them through subscription it would be /awful/.

I see FFXIV as a sub 2 play game though so to me when I hear you get monthly tokens in ESO and it's not too hard to stack them out, honestly (in translation to FFXIV) doesn't sound that bad and actually a benefit to us if we had that. Just wanted to add some context, in case SE is wondering what people think - that'd be my thought. From the point of view of a sub 2 play game, I don't hate that idea and see it's a decent way to make some extra funds that aren't too bad. Like I don't think the seasonal on the cash shop are horrible, and actually if you had monthly tokens I feel it would be even less so. I don't really mind the stuff that doesn't fit in the game at all either, or from other FFs, but I do find stuff that's clearly from this game removed and added back in as like "boo" (but similarly on houses if there was a reasonable rate of tokens each month then 'not that bad').

This naturally assumes that they continue to produce either EQUAL or GREATER quality content that's part of the experience as well (which is where naturally many people, and rightfully so, get leery and scared of corporations rubbing their slick money lubed hands together and try to do less for more - we see this all the time).

Lootboxes should still not be a thing though, it's clearly gambling. I don't care what lawyer limbo circus someone try to pull- lootboxes are obviously gambling that pray on people's impulsive desires, but worse because there is no monetary value and are easier to do at all times as you don't have to travel to any location to be part of it (can't or are not supposed to be able to sell anything you obtain from the game). Gambling for rain water in the tropics. No lootboxes. Sell what you're going to sell, lol. (Altough for those gambling reasons I can see why they're popular to use, big money as people will spend far more than they would have on an outright purchase... which should tell you their problem and what they are in a nutshell xD). At least with trading card games you actually get an item, that you could theoretically sell (sometimes when opening a TCG pack you might make money for example, you're not making anything with digital lootboxes unless you plan to break ToS). Even that though, personally, I don't like TCG based around the gambling mechanic (random card packs)- I like the card games that just sell sets (non-random) and you get what you paid for and you know it'll be a good experience because they had to be sure that's what they were selling (selling fun, not a chance at fun).

Personally I thought if they did instanced world space housing (like Rift, Wildstar, ESO, etc) that they would provide through story a zone to each player (or account), and then if players wanted they could buy additional ones (like retainers)- maybe even strip some of the money parts of it out. Like additional spaces can store and display items, but the gardens, submarines, etc, wouldn't return items - this way people couldn't purchase printing presses (like they do with retainers.. lol). I wouldn't mind themes sold, like ESO so long as there were either two stipulations, A) it's very feasible to purchase them with monthly given tokens or B) there are in game houses that are equal in quality and the shop ones sell ONLY themes that don't belong in the game (like you might buy a midgard house, vivi village house, or something).

Said something similarly on the concept of airships, where you would not have any airship that belongs in the game sold on the cash shop BUT you could say buy FFV Lunar Whale or FFIX invincible, FFVII Highwind, etc. Especially neat if they were like the primal statues, so you could have a FF airship statue. Alternatively using the logic above if they gave a reasonable rate of monthly tokens, that'd not make it so annoying (to me). But if there was either a hilariously terrible rate of tokens, drop in quality and amount of content, or just pure exclusivity to the shop (especially stuff non-seasonal that was extracted from the game) and no tokens then I'd probably also be pretty miffed.

As I said though it's certainly fair to be leery, or just want a better value... SE may be using the funds to make better game(s) and much better working environments or they may just be giving their higher ups progressively larger and larger bonuses while everyone else crunches harder and harder with less support and worse leadership which causes lower quality games. We've actively seen the later happen for other companies. Imo I want to see SE do well and everyone their have reasonable work life enjoyment, so it's why I mentioned some of my thoughts - but I could see SE take such thoughts and twist them into making themselves a situation to do less in general while making more (while all companies have to make money a good game company will also want to make a great game at the same time).

Naturally the best would be everything in game and no shop exists and the game is perfect... Lol. Just wanted to lay out some thoughts, at least personally I think SE does still read our forums even if others have doubts.

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IF SE added a means for people who sub to gain a reasonable access to mog shop items then I'd find mog shop concepts far less, BOOOO lol.

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Oh, for real!! I was speaking to my fc about how it's just wrong to be a sub-to-play model AND have a cash shop. The idea of a cash shop was to supplement money that wasn't being made from a subscription model. I also have qualms with sub2play games needing you to purchase the game outright. Considering we don't get $60 worth of game at launch... but that's another argument entirely.

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Lootboxes should still not be a thing though

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Agreed. They're predatory no matter how to look at them, and the worst thing to come to games as a service. (I never said anything about lootboxes, so I'm not sure where that is coming from. I really was just saying larger-than-an-entire-city house plots being in the mogstation would be something I could swallow as the situation of extra retainers has been explained to us.)

The only solution to the housing situation is the expansion of apartments and instanced housing. Every time they expand wards is just sort of like they're covering their ears and going lalalalalla to every criticism of the system.

ESO just uses the "free" monthly crowns as an excuse to jam pack their cash shop full of items. Their "limited time" sales for both lootboxes, and just general items, are a horrifying business practice. It's bait. They get your sub-fee and players will presumably dump their free crowns on certain limited items, or lootboxes, then when the next limited sale pops up they have to spend real money OR miss out, with the "limited time" header looming. They are preying on people. The exorbitant prices are just further proof. The free crowns are just there to get you into the cash shop. It's a ploy. SE on the other hand, has a cash shop with fairly reasonably priced items - in comparison to other MMOs, that isn't advertised heavily, and it's not even actually in the game. It doesn't get updated every single week, and everything sold there is there to stay, and you don't have to HOPE you get something in a lootbox. You pay up front, and you are good. I like how SE has handled their cash shop.

I do think SE should offer more, new sub rewards, however, credits to the mogstation is a debatable issue, in my opinion.

When it comes to housing. ESO has very good instanced housing. You can even see the property on the map. You can walk to it on the map - so it's there, but it's not. The scale is massive, and the amount of customization therein is amazing. SE could take notes from this, I will agree with that point, and that point alone - when it comes to ESO housing. Players could have properties even greater than having a large plot.

in memory to those who died to covid. hopefully your plot will not serve as a blank house

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ESO just uses the "free" monthly crowns as an excuse to jam pack their cash shop full of items.

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I use the sub to not have to buy every single little expansion pack. Dropping $15 for a month to do all the content and then not play for a while is more cost effective for me as a player. There are greater issues with them scalping rewards out of high end content for the crownstore, but that is a separate discussion that lines up with SE itself.

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SE is a pay to play game with $40 mounts in their cash shop. For a game that has no benefit for picking one race or another (reasons race change purchases, or other games refusing to offer them, exist) they make you pay $10 for the privilege of changing your skin color.

I also don't buy the guilt-trip that "proceeds made from the mogstation go right back to ffxiv developers". That's where our sub should go.


Also I will say you can't really call ESO's limited time sales limited when they pop up like clockwork to the point people have made spreadsheets about it.