Players should be allowed to smoke in game. Show your support!

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Humans are flawed creatures and the best way to make characters interesting is to also make them flawed. Giving a character a vice like smoking or drinking is an effective way to do that.

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All good points, I seriously doubt that the emote is intended for that though.
People think smoking looks cool, that' why they want the emote.
I doubt many here will RP to the extent that they depict the negative side effects of being addicted to nicotine.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Also, you're going on about long term solutions to stop stressors. Those are hard and more importantly take a lot of time. Smoking and alcohol consumption are immediate by comparison, and there are certain stressors in life that no amount of therapy will make right as well.

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I just don't get how drinking a toxin helps in dealing with stress. Humans are weird creatures indeed. *shrugs*
Best to leave it at that.

I will only accept a pipe emote, if I can make a whole sailing vessel. Anything else will not fly. :<

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Originally Posted by Granyala

I just don't get how drinking a toxin helps in dealing with stress. Humans are weird creatures indeed. *shrugs*
Best to leave it at that.

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They affect the chemical balance in the brain, causing immediate releases of serotonin and dopamine. Alcohol in particular also causes humans to release more Gamma Aminobutyric Acid(GABA for short), which is what causes people to lower inhibition while simultaneously causing motor function impairment/slurred speech etc.

Smoking doesn't cause serotonin release, just dopamine and adrenaline. So you get a feel good spike and become more energetic. Tobacco/Nicotine itself actually increases dopamine levels too, which is what makes it physically addictive.

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Ooooooh, I see.





You're a troll.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

They affect the chemical balance in the brain, causing immediate releases of serotonin and dopamine. Alcohol in particular also causes humans to release more Gamma Aminobutyric Acid(GABA for short), which is what causes people to lower inhibition while simultaneously causing motor function impairment/slurred speech etc.

Smoking doesn't cause serotonin release, just dopamine and adrenaline. So you get a feel good spike and become more energetic. Tobacco/Nicotine itself actually increases dopamine levels too, which is what makes it physically addictive.

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I am aware of the chemical interactions but that "high" fades after a few hours and, depending on the amount you drank, you get an appropriate "low". Not sure about nicotine in that regard, iirc you just need more to achieve the same high since the brain gets used to the increased neurotransmitter levels.
Basically you pay for a brief moment of happiness with another moment of unhappiness which just adds to the stress and unhappiness you were feeling before.

But somehow people think this whole shabang is a net gain... THAT's what I do not understand.
To me it looks like a zero sum game in the best of circumstances (if you are ontop of it, don't get addicted and use it sparingly enough to avoid health issues) and a net loss in most cases when people lose control.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

Meanwhile Western games do nothing but promote drugs, violence against everything that moves, sexualization, hate, abusing, bullying, alcohol - all of these things and more.

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Aah so that's why the WoL basically solves every problem by engaging the games combat mechanics (a.k.a.: violence). :D
FF-XIV is a western game in disguise!

As for sexualization: Shisui gear would like to have a word with you.

You guys know smoking takes like decades of daily use to kill you, right? It's 100% bad for you, but some of you are acting like you instantly get full body mega-cancer just from seeing a cigarette.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

Wrong.

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Hey, if you want to remain willfully ignorant in a delusion of your own making, I'm not going to invest time into stopping you. It's clear you're a moron.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

I am aware of the chemical interactions but that "high" fades after a few hours

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As far as drinking goes, alcohol's effect on the body is a depressant after too much of it. The key to pure enjoyment, imo, is to stop before you start feeling down and drink some water. I'm sure it differs person to person, but as long as I don't start drinking while in a sour mood, then here's no downside except for the excess calories that I gotta try to burn off to stay somewhat fit. I don't drink on work days or nights, and try to limit it to special occasion. I still drink more than I should, but I can certainly do without. I think most people accept the downsides with the attitude of, "Whatever, I may hate myself in the morning, but it's not that bad." My greatest vices are probably caffeine and porn.

As far as smoking goes... I honestly wouldn't know. I've only experienced nicotine high a few times, and it was great, but not enough to offset the terrible taste of cigarettes. Cigars slightly more bearable, but meh. Never had the inclination to try an old timey pipe, but I hear it's the best. I never got addicted, and I don't really have the budget to smoke anyway. Just in some very high stress times, I bummed a few smokes from a friend, and chilled out enough feeling happy from it and their company to go to sleep later.

My arguments in his thread are pretty much just in agreement with wanting to have the option for expression.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

Games like Final Fantasy are there to encourage people to be the best version of themselves, not the worst version.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Not once was I ever given that impression in a Final Fantasy game. In fact, I felt downright villainous playing as Marche in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance debunking everyone's happiness.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

Then you're not playing literally any other games and you don't know what you're talking about...

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So you take the example I've given you and then ignore it and claim I haven't played any other Final Fantasy game other then Final Fantasy Tactics Advance...on a FFXIV forum.

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Yes the franchise is touted as being inspiring to many people. Most of that is from the journey you take along with the characters in their games. Or the music and art design. Or the friendships and other relationships they've made from finding other people who've played the games.

The games themselves however have a lot of negative, horrible and depressing crap happen in them. Let's take IV where you start the game returning from stealing a town's crystal while also having killed a lot of the towns folk to the point where when you get back there one of them poisons you. Then you and your BF unknowingly kill a future party member's mom. Then have the package you were sent to deliver to said village open itself and kills the rest of the town. Skip a little ahead and you see your former employer attacking a castle where everyone except like five people are dead. One of them only surviving due to their lover shielding them from the arrows.

I could go on even with just IV or go on about the various horrible stuff that happens in VI which gave birth to one of the most famous Villains of the series. But Sazh must be wrong when he said everything thing isn't just Sunshine and Rainbows.

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Originally Posted by ChocoPuni

Psychology and human mind aren't as complicated as we make them look. If you laugh at something when you hear something you don't like - you were wounded. I won't apologize for wounding you with truth. You can accept it and try to be better or you can remain where you are now and laugh like a jester. That still won't make you into a Joker or even a Trump. ;)

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You are either a moron, troll, delusional, or most likely all of the above.
You ignore what anyone says unless they agree with you and you make constant claims like they are facts. You're so damn dense it's incredible.

I think players should be allowed to smoke if they want.

Glad to see I am not the only one interested in a smoking emote. Also for those overthinking remember it is just an emote in a video game try not to overthinking it.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Also for those overthinking remember it is just an emote in a video game try not to overthinking it.

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With outrage culture being what it is, I'm not sure that'll ever be possible.