Yo-Kai event (2020)

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Originally Posted by Curisu

Blu never was an issue before and in 1-2 Weeks it won´t be a issue again.
If its not the BLU then everyone would seek something else to blame their own impatience for.

Just don´t do the event now. You gain nothing by doing it now when everyone else is does it.
You have so much time and later you are happy about the friendly BLU player who speedkills the fate with you.


I´m really worryed that SE will make the BLU unplayable in the overworld just because you blame him for a problem that already existed the first yokai events.

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The difference is, BLU wasn't around the first time. And ARR fates simply aren't equipped to deal with BLU and a massive upsurge in activity. Ultimately it is on SE for creating this issue, but it is an issue nonetheless. I don't think that BLU should be made unplayable, but I do feel that instantly killing, or near instantly killing, fate bosses and the like is just bad design when one takes other people into account. Let them do damage just like everyone else, not break every fate to pieces the moment they enter one.

But that's the thing that makes the BLU so special and enjoying.
The unbelievable things you can do with him.
The only reason I will farm the fates for the event is the BLU, because I don't want to kill 100+ fates with a dull 1-2-3 combo. I want the special, funny and enjoying Boom of a BLU that makes him OP.
Believe it or not but I want to have fun playing this game and not only gain a bigger number as fast as possible.

And like I said, it is just now a problem, when every selfish idiot is doing the fates. Just wait a few weeks and you will be fine. Then you won't even fill a full group for fates.
It has been like this the last time and will be this time again.
Just don't do it the first and last 2 weeks.

Seems it makes already the rounds regarding BLU.

https://puu.sh/GjHja/f9c76522ac.png

One of my FC mates tried using Doom on a FATE boss, and was threatened to be reported for "immersion breaking"

GCBTW at its finest

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Hope you can get them, don't worry about rushing too much through HW (since you could just get the weapon in the first SB area) since you have quite a bit of time.

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So, as long as I have the first open world area open for Stormblood, I can obtain all of the event weapons and goodies without having to do the entire Stormblood story? If thats so, that's amazing news! Thank you very very much!

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I don't think that BLU should be made unplayable, but I do feel that instantly killing, or near instantly killing, fate bosses and the like is just bad design when one takes other people into account.

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I remember when people actually argued for the exact opposite, not understanding why BLU wasn't allowed to queue for whatever and kill everything with their Death skills. Fun times.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

I remember when people actually argued for the exact opposite, not understanding why BLU wasn't allowed to queue for whatever and kill everything with their Death skills. Fun times.

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Eh, I've always felt that it should have been more in line with other jobs anyway instead of all this Limited Job nonsense. BLU struggles in some ways and excels in others. I don't blame people for wanting to use it for Fate grinding, but there is so much potential for conflict. Some would say "Just don't do it right now" or "lol let us have our fun". Well, the same could be said in return. What is happening right now is a conflict of interest, or a difference in playstyles. I may feel a certain way, but neither side really has the right to decide how the other should play, and depending on one's perspective a playstyle is being forced from one side on the other, but it goes both ways. Ultimately, it is up to SE to decide what happens.

Just finished it. All of it, all 17 weapons. I actually didn't want to do it all on day 1 but it gets kind of addicted: "one more fate", "I'll just finish this weapon" "oh, I can do this minion in this area too so I will just continue for a while..."

Anyway:

https://i.ibb.co/4MgSNBT/yokai.png

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Originally Posted by MeganLynn

So since I don't have access to any expansion areas yet, I wont be able to get the RDM, SAM, GNB or DNC Yo Kai weapons, correct? That really doesn't seem fair. This feels like a totally rushed event, in my opinion.

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Ah yes, I am in the same boat I think. Still not finished the 2.2 quests to get to HW/SB. I might get to HW around level 60 and before the event ends and have most weapons, but there is no way I will get SB to grind the final two weapons, so won't get the DNC weapon and second mount.

It is what it is. It's still fun to the stage we can do, and I don't feel bad about it.

DNC at least can get some shots in in the low level fates, SMN/WHM also works with just dots :) When the numbers drop down, I will be able to RDM them, a bit hard now to even get off a spell.

Sooooooo much easier this time around. It feels like they buffed drop rates and if I'm not imagining it lowered the amount weapons cost. Did the 4 new ones in like 2 hours and got the couch pretty easily.

https://i.imgur.com/6DmYbV5.jpg

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

Sooooooo much easier this time around. It feels like they buffed drop rates and if I'm not imagining it lowered the amount weapons cost. Did the 4 new ones in like 2 hours and got the couch pretty easily.

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I think last time by the last weapons you had to get kind of a stupid amount of medals. There were more than 2 tiers of costs I think... I THINK.

This is SO much better than it used to be. Granted, I only ever tried it on the first run of it, which was pure hell. I'm not sure if they had buffed it when they brought it back the first time. But this! This is nice and easy. I've finished up five minions tonight, and my worst so far took 27 fates to clear. My quickest was 15.

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I think last time by the last weapons you had to get kind of a stupid amount of medals. There were more than 2 tiers of costs I think... I THINK.

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According to Wiki, weapons #4 to #10 were 15 tokens, and #11-13 were 30 tokens each.

Meanwhile now those are only up to 10 tokens, based on what FC member was tellin' me.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

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So using BLU is an exploit?
Then thousands of players should be banned because running aurum vale as blue to get these grind tokens is unfair and forbidden.

Why haven't I see a single complaint about that?
A right, because you were happy to have a blu in your group who reduces the time needed for for a run to under 10 min.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

According to Wiki, weapons #4 to #10 were 15 tokens, and #11-13 were 30 tokens each.

Meanwhile now those are only up to 10 tokens, based on what FC member was tellin' me.

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I can probably confirm that they only go to 10 tokens this time, I just did weapon #6 and no further increases in price have been found.

On the whole subject of BLU, what's aggravating people is that BLU aren't subject to the same restrictions every other class is regarding fates, they can walk into any fate and still have their full roster of abilities active, whereas any other class can be reduced to maybe 7 or 8 abilities excluding role abilities, so it's a case of being lucky enough to have the right ability active to compete with a BLU at low levels.

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Originally Posted by Zebyxus

I can probably confirm that they only go to 10 tokens this time, I just did weapon #6 and no further increases in price have been found.

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That's nice - it was such nightmare to go through when event was around first time in 2016. Nobody should be exposed for such horrors.

Getting these new 4 weapons they added this time shouldn't be much of work then.

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Originally Posted by Curisu

So using BLU is an exploit?
Then thousands of players should be banned because running aurum vale as blue to get these grind tokens is unfair and forbidden.

Why haven't I see a single complaint about that?
A right, because you were happy to have a blu in your group who reduces the time needed for for a run to under 10 min.

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Wanna rephrase myself? What about this:

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Playing is the abuse of an exploit.

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At least if you want to put words I didn't say in my mouth, do it as stupidly as possible.

And since when did I had a BLU in my group? The only time I grouped was when I accepted an invitation and when I realised a BLU was in, I didn't group again.

Don't give me words I didn't say.
Don't accuse me for benefits I refused.
At least, BE HONEST.

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For the complaints, open your eyes and read the forum.
Again, BE HONEST.

An exploit is using a game mechanic in a way not intended by the developers. BLU is working as intended. It's not an exploit just because you don't like it.

Had every single minion within 2 hours of Fate grinding plus 3 weapons. ARR flying makes this event stupid easy.

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Originally Posted by Zebyxus

On the whole subject of BLU, what's aggravating people is that BLU aren't subject to the same restrictions every other class is regarding fates, they can walk into any fate and still have their full roster of abilities active, whereas any other class can be reduced to maybe 7 or 8 abilities excluding role abilities, so it's a case of being lucky enough to have the right ability active to compete with a BLU at low levels.

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And the price for that is not being able to do roulettes, squadrons, PotD, Eureka, anything past HW, etc, etc.

Makes you wonder if this is not SE winking their eyes at players who didn't ridicule and denounce BLU all this time.

You have to admit that this looks a lot like karmic justice.

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Originally Posted by Flay_wind

And the price for that is not being able to do roulettes, squadrons, PotD, Eureka, anything past HW, etc, etc.

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Yeah I think people forget how busted BLU is outside of the Yokai fate grind event lol

I think people just forgot BLU was a thing. And they'll forget again as soon as most of the people using it now finish the event and put it away again.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

An exploit is using a game mechanic in a way not intended by the developers. BLU is working as intended. It's not an exploit just because you don't like it.

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BLU is a limited job so all other classes/jobs won't compete with it on regular content.
FATE farming events are regular content.

Doing FATE farming events with BLU is an exploit.
edit: of course when every other classes/jobs struggle to get something too along. Don't put words in my mouth you know I didn't say.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

BLU is a limited job so all other classes/jobs won't compete with it on regular content.
FATE farming events are regular content.

Doing FATE farming events with BLU is an exploit.

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BLU was intended to be powerful in open-world content and restricted in instanced/roulette content. Remind me, where are FATEs, instances or the open world?

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edit: of course when every other classes/jobs struggle to get something too along. Don't put words in my mouth you know I didn't say.

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I sincerely don't know what you're trying to say here.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

BLU is a limited job so all other classes/jobs won't compete with it on regular content.
FATE farming events are regular content.

Doing FATE farming events with BLU is an exploit.
edit: of course when every other classes/jobs struggle to get something too along. Don't put words in my mouth you know I didn't say.

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FATEs are still FATEs during FATE farming events
The devs allowed BLU to do whatever they want in FATEs for over two years.

Using BLU in this is as much of an exploit as cross-server hunts.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

BLU was intended to be powerful in open-world content and restricted in instanced/roulette content. Remind me, where are FATEs, instances or the open world?



I sincerely don't know what you're trying to say here.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

FATEs are still FATEs during FATE farming events
The devs allowed BLU to do whatever they want in FATEs for over two years.

Using BLU in this is as much of an exploit as cross-server hunts.

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I'm not talking about FATEs. Stop rephrasing myself.
FATE farming events. See it now?


And, just out of curiosity since I wasn't playing for two years:
How many FATE farming events has there been since BLU exists?

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

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I just want to say how on point your signature is. It's really like the BLU players are just doing whatever they want.

"You don't pay my sub", right?

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

I'm not talking about FATEs. Stop rephrasing myself.
FATE farming events. See it now?


And, just out of curiosity since I wasn't playing for two years:
How many FATE farming events has there been since BLU exists?

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Yes, I'm sure in FATE farming events, you do everything but FATEs.

You're trying to cancel out this argument because you have no valid retort, but it doesn't work just because you want it to. They're still FATEs, and devs haven't done anything about it all this time. They knew this would happen when reintroducing Yokai again.

Just because you don't like it, you don't get to grab a bag of diverse arguments and try to see what it sticks. And then switch to another argument when the current one fails ("I don't want people competing with me" - "I don't want to compete with BLU" - "I don't want to do it with BLU" - "BLU is an exploit").

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Originally Posted by Tint

I just want to say how on point your signature is. It's really like the BLU players are just doing whatever they want.

"You don't pay my sub", right?

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You're right, it is on point. BLU players using their whole kit. Everyone else sticking to single mob pulls. :)

Also I didn't know that using spells devs have known since its introduction would wreck FATES is now suddenly an exploit because a bunch of players decided so.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Yes, I'm sure in FATE farming events, you do everything but FATEs.

You're trying to cancel out this argument because you have no valid retort, but it doesn't work just because you want it to. They're still FATEs, and devs haven't done anything about it all this time. They knew this would happen when reintroducing Yokai again.

Just because you don't like it, you don't get to grab a bag of diverse arguments and try to see what it sticks. And then switch to another argument when the current one ("I don't want people competing with me" - "I don't want to compete with BLU" - "I don't want to do it with BLU" - "BLU is an exploit").

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Well, if you don't see the difference between doing FATEs for the fun BLU gives and using BLU during FATE farming events because it outpowers every other classes/jobs, I just can't help you.
But reading you, I get that you do see the difference. You just don't want the competition and will find any excuse to hide yourself behind.

Sad. Just sad.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Yes, I'm sure in FATE farming events, you do everything but FATEs.

You're trying to cancel out this argument because you have no valid retort, but it doesn't work just because you want it to. They're still FATEs, and devs haven't done anything about it all this time. They knew this would happen when reintroducing Yokai again.

Just because you don't like it, you don't get to grab a bag of diverse arguments and try to see what it sticks. And then switch to another argument when the current one fails ("I don't want people competing with me" - "I don't want to compete with BLU" - "I don't want to do it with BLU" - "BLU is an exploit").

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Stop being selfish the blue mages destroying fates will likely make another player only get bronze if they are lucky.
Blue is not an exploit however when you're only solution is either to play one, a Dark Knight or join one it means there is a problem that should be fixed.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

Well, if you don't see the difference between doing FATEs for the fun BLU gives and using BLU during FATE farming events because it outpowers every other classes/jobs, I just can't help you.
But reading you, I get that you do see the difference. You just don't want the competition and will find any excuse to hide yourself behind.

Sad. Just sad.

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Originally Posted by Kamome-chan

Stop being selfish the blue mages destroying fates will likely make another player only get bronze if they are lucky.
Blue is not an exploit however when you're only solution is either to play one, a Dark Knight or join one it means there is a problem that should be fixed.

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Sounds like you two are don't ones who don't want competition on an event that's going to be here until November in the very least

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

Playing BLU to have access to skills giving a clear advantage over all the other players with whom one is in competition is the abuse of an exploit.

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Having access to flying also gives a massive advantage over some players. Is this an exploit too?

People can get around that limitation by grouping up with someone with a 2-person mount. Just like people can get around all the various BLUs by grouping up with them.

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Originally Posted by Kamome-chan

Stop being selfish the blue mages destroying fates will likely make another player only get bronze if they are lucky.

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But really, this. There are skills that won't obliterate mobs, use them. Try and be at least a little considerate of your fellows players.

Just a little aside about my adventures from yesterday. I cleared 7 weapons, so I was at it for a while, but in one zone people wouldn't stop screaming about BLUs killing everything. The issue wasn't so much people on BLU, but just that there was a huge amount of players running around zerging all the FATEs and so if you showed up the tiniest bit late, good chance you weren't getting gold. If things are dying quickly, it's not always the fault of a BLU.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

What could be nice for everyone is something like this:
- 1st week of event: BLU can't do it;
- 2nd week: BLU can;
- 3rd week: BLU can't;
- 4th week: BLU can;
And so on.
It would be official, there would be time for everyone and no reason to complain.

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from here:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5408598

The only issue with BLU is the missle spell being able to take 75% of a boss in 3 seconds. If they only use their normal kit you still get some hits in, enough to get silver, most of the times still gold. Of course day 1 it was more BLU zergs killing everything, but you just had to avoid day 1 and by now it is fine. Except people still killing bosses in under 10s with missle, something is wrong if you think that is ok or fun.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

BLU is a limited job so all other classes/jobs won't compete with it on regular content.
FATE farming events are regular content.

Doing FATE farming events with BLU is an exploit.
edit: of course when every other classes/jobs struggle to get something too along. Don't put words in my mouth you know I didn't say.

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Using BLU to speed run fates isn't an exploit.

"In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, speed or level design etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers"

It seems like, in general, the drop rates have been raised pretty substantially. I remember during the last event the mere idea of getting the glowing mount seemed like it would take 4+ days of grinding, but I've seen a few people get that mount AND the flying chair already.

so what if BLU is op for 1 event? Can't bring BLU to any current lv 80 contents, let alone old lv 70 contents.

BLU deserves to have some fun too.

And as many have stressed, this isn't a end in 1 week event. There's so much time before 5.4 comes.

This is an advantage earned by players who have level 60 blu with magic learned. Just wait it out.

People are whining like regular crafters competing with penta meld crafters for ranking title and calling it unfair.