What do you think SE might adjust for jobs in 5.0?

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Concerned that they'll gut tank damage (they've mentioned it's too high), but make no real changes to how fights are entirely focused on enrage timers, or make staying alive any more engaging. So we'll end up with a wet noodle version of the current tanks that still has to prio dps over everything because enrage is a thing.

Also hoping they don't put Samurai "in line with other dps" and forget it has zero utility... or add utility to it and make it another Ninja. Or in general pull a Drk again and make any class inferior to the other options and leave it like that for a year.

And hopefully they don't eliminate positionals entirely.

I don't mean to be skeptical, but I came from WoW so "class changes" tends to fill me with fear rather than excitement now.

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LOL you and my friends who play wow have the same fear. Sadly since they are taking away TP I'm guessing this update WILL completely change everything. The fact TP is going bye bye is the biggest clue. I dunno what they can change, but TP being killed and no new healer leads me to believe to expect massive changes to how everything works.

The feeling I got is that they are simplifying and specifying jobs and roles but it's not necessarily a bad thing especially if it gives them more space to play with battle mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

It's been around since the first FF game.

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In so insignificant and long-lasting a form that it has zero place in combat (outside of just after Rez)?

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

I think they need to fix monk to be frank. The system is a big clunky. Use all your GL to do an attack, then use Cross class abilities + stance dancing to get stacks back ASAP while suffering a damage loss. FoF reduces your aspd but aspd is an ideal stat usually for monks (outside of crit). Dont get me wrong, I like a lot of what monk does with combos and rotations and thing generally, but some of that needs to be cleaned up a little bit.

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That's not at all relevant. If the penalty was removed, we'd just have to nerf the baseline or the damage bonus itself. Monk doesn't just get overbuffed, in result, for free. And if we otherwise provide that much net damage (the full +20%, for instance) only upon gaining RoF, we'd be notably behind over earlier levels.

Realistically, we'd get something like...

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Riddle of Fire - Activates Fists of Fire. Doubles the damage bonus of Fists of Fire for 20 seconds. Ends if Fists of Fire ends.

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Hurray, a net... 6% damage bonus. Per 90 seconds. (Possibly adjusted to 60 seconds given the that Attack Speed had zero affect on Monk's sizable portion of oGCD damage anyways.) Without any of the gameplay-affecting synergy of Internal Release....

I'd much rather keep the pace variance, the macrorotational impact, and the big numbers upon pairing than simplify the skill to have its bonus reduced to forgo its penalty.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

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Guess I'll wait for twitch gameplay for whatever changes are immediately visible before deciding to buy Shadowbringer... Chances are the servers will barely work the first few days anyways, so I doubt I'll feel like I'm losing any valuable time even if the changes tend not to be as horrible as above.