Commending DPS

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Originally Posted by Sanctify

Were you that kid that was happy when they got their participation trophy in grade school? Commendations are earned son.

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Snarky.

He was saying he wished he could commend more than one person if there were several players who earned it.

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Originally Posted by Forben

The dps I commend:

-Mch/bards who use palisade/tact/refresh

-People who mana shift/goad

-Rdm/sum who’ll raise for the healer

-Ninjas who use their aggro tools

-Big dps who use diversion(can you tell I main tank?)

-The nice players. I’ll even commendate the silent players if the other 2 are just jerks.

I don’t care if your dps is low or high. If you help out your other party members instead of tunneling, I’ll comm. you.

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Fully agree with you

I always commend my tank as a healer unless they are bad then I'll commend one of the dps.

I usually commend DPS unless they weren't AoEing or not using their abilities, if the healer is DPSing and going all out though I'll commend them more but it's a toss up usually. And 90% of the time I'm tanking so I dont commend tanks unless I'm doing an 8 man trial or 24 man but usually I don't commend them unless they come shirk me or something its harder for tanks to stand out to me because they have to really do something to catch my interest since I'm a tank main.

As a Tank I generally commend the healer or when I see a dps going nuts on aoe for mobs/single target for bosses. Also if the DPS goes out of their way to help others it means the world to me. Like as a PLD if i'm spamming Total Eclipse and running low on TP when I get a Goad or Tact(without asking for it) it makes me smile and consider giving it to them.

Like if you want a fantastic example of something like this last night I was running the Burn as a PLD getting up my flashes before I switch to Sword and a BLM in my group Mana Shifted me to give me back MP. I was floored by this since I always play WAR/DRK and have never seen this happen to me before but I was extremely grateful as my party was all casters. That BLM secured my comm right then and there.

As a tank, I usually commend DPS classes depending on how quickly we fly through things. I've been in some dungeon runs where we burn through it really quick and some where it takes forever to get through it.

I just give it to whoever I thought was the best. Class doesn't really matter.

I commend on healers mainly because they saved my butt multiple times.

My comm usually follows these:
- Did the player do something really awesome? ( Example, tank died and healer/rdm/smn saves fight without wiping)
- Was the player particularly helpful? Amusing?
- If a new player, I usually give it to them if they did a decent job or listened and tried (even if we wipe)
- Really awesome glamour

If the run was a boring run I usually pass it to the a tank or healer, depending on the content (which one it was harder for). VERY RARELY no one gets and I gtfo.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

What conditions would you normally commend other DPS players after you clear the instance?

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1. Roes
2. Any toon with a doctor who reference.
3. If they are funny or save the day.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

My issue with commending DPSes is that most of the time I honestly have no idea how well they did.

If they didn't do something to stand out, I don't know which one did better, and don't know who deserves it. Even more in eight-man content.

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This is the biggest issue DPS have when it comes to recognition. It's often hard to gauge how well a DPS is doing at a glance simply because most of what they do is completely invisible.

Held aggro, didn't spin unnecessarily? Tank did a good job. No one died, debuffs cured quickly? Healer did a good job. BLM did... well, huh. I think I saw some fire at one point. That's good, right?

I mean there is a way to gauge DPS to recognise good DPS players, but you're too afraid of being called out and held responsible. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

I mean there is a way to gauge DPS to recognise good DPS players, but you're too afraid of being called out and held responsible. Oh well.

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Or we're playing on PS4 and can't run additional programs.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Or we're playing on PS4 and can't run additional programs.

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Seems like a personal problem.

My commendation checklist for dungeons:

Was everybody good? If yes, commend DPS.
Was the tank bad but the healer good? If yes, commend healer.
Was the healer bad but the tank good? If yes, commend tank.
Was the healer and tank bad but the DPS good? If yes, commend DPS.
Was everybody bad? If yes, leave and don't commend.


My commendation checklist for trials/raids:

Was everybody good? If yes, pick based on tiny things you noticed that you liked that they did.
Was somebody a BLM/SAM/DRG and didn't die? If yes, commend.
Was a healer bad? If yes, commend other healer.
Were both healers bad? If yes, commend tanks.
Was a tank bad? If yes, commend other tank.
Were both tanks bad? If yes, commend healers.
Were tanks and healers bad? If yes, commend DPS.
Were one/more DPS bad? If yes, commend good DPS.
Were all DPS bad? Commend tanks/healers.
Was everybody bad? Leave, do not commend, take a cold shower, try not to cry, cry a lot.

I com who ever made the run more memorable. But I feel final should bring in the same com system that league use to have where you could com everyone in the party or not depending on performance. Example if the run was great everyone gets a com. If the healer was an afk on follow scholar everyone but the healer gets a com. I find it hard sometimes after a 8 man trying to pick people.

Did you goad me on AE packs?
Did you tactician on AE packs?
Are you manashifting someone who has a use for mana as a black mage?

The usual answer to this is why I dont com DPS often at all.

As a tank/healer, we can tell when a dps'er is phenomenal at the damage part. I know how often stuff dies with people who are derping around on alt jobs. I can use clear speed and buff/debuffs as a pretty decent metric. I care a LOT less about a minute or two here or there as I do not running out TP for a few too many overpowers when you can press a button and go most of the way to solving that problem. (and the worse you are at damage, the better I expect you to be at any sort of utility you possess).

I don't care what role someone is. If someone sticks out as being particularly helpful, friendly or polite I give that person a commendation. If the run was uneventful and we all did well I pick someone at random. If someone sticks out as being a jerk I make a point of avoiding giving it to them. That's all that really matters.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Or we're playing on PS4 and can't run additional programs.

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Even on PS4 it's not hard to see what's going on in a bad group, I had a Monk in Skalla today whose rotation was Bootshine > True Strike > Rock Breaker (on single target) or Snap Punch with no positionals, the RDM never used Scatter and hard casted Veraeros.

I didn't need a 3rd party program to see that things were dying slow and people weren't using proper rotations, let alone them using their CDs.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

What conditions would you normally commend other DPS players after you clear the instance?

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These only apply when I'm not feeling like using one of alternative conditions, which I'll list at the bottom.

Main condition - notable performance such as handling of mechanics in a way that shows competence and understanding of the fight AND the group composition, to include use of utility abilities when and where available. Another Bard using Refresh, or a Machinist using Tactician during a big AoE pull, or a melee using Goad. Also if through timely use of resurrections (where available), spot healing, or some other element of the class saving a run that's gone haywire.

Secondary conditions:

The tank and healer keep screwing up mechanics, especially repeatedly. The other DPS doesn't have to stand out at that point to earn my commendation.

Alternative conditions not based on performance:

I really like their glamour.
I really like how their character looks (bonus points if a fellow Elezen).
Cute or funny name.

The #1 thing that will get me to commend DPS is using their role actions effectively and doing mechanics. Yes damage is their primary role, but let's be honest, I shouldn't need to run a 3rd party tool to tell which of the two DPS are doing their job properly, and I usually have better things to do than watch their actions like a hawk to piece together whether they're doing their rotation properly or not. Still, using role actions and performing mechanics is not only more visible, it also shows they are trying and dedicated to doing what needs to be done for the good of their party. It's probably fair to say their DPS isn't that bad either, since if you care about the party you're probably more committed to making this a fast run than most of the DPS who pick the role to stay out of the spotlight.

I tend to give commendations to DPS if I notice them using role actions.

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You would need to look at my wife's signatures. It's a rule, not a Law. You get far more at healer and tanks becuase many DPS want nothing to do with the rules so they are happy to reward people playing them just so they get to queue as the job they want.

If they do exceptional damage, I might give them a comm if they stick around long enough.

I don't care otherwise. You don't get medals for doing your job.

I commend tanks when I see them adjust to changing situations appropriately and actively try to maintain enmity when they lose it suddenly to a burst DPS.

I commend healers who can keep paper tanks alive through the worst of situations and can manage big pulls fluidly.

I commend DPS that know how to maintain their own entity while still maximizing their DPS and performing well.

It's all situational and having switched from PLD to BRD, I still do get comms routinely, it's just not as many. But then, I don't mind since I've already completed all the comm achievements.

And I care about getting commendations because? I main MCH and get commendations regularly, but I don't care if I get them or not. I play for fun. If I don't die or cause trouble, leave me alone. I just want to get through the dungeon, take my tomes and be done with it. Not sure why people place so much importance on commendations?

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

The #1 thing that will get me to commend DPS is using their role actions effectively and doing mechanics. Yes damage is their primary role, but let's be honest, I shouldn't need to run a 3rd party tool to tell which of the two DPS are doing their job properly, and I usually have better things to do than watch their actions like a hawk to piece together whether they're doing their rotation properly or not. Still, using role actions and performing mechanics is not only more visible, it also shows they are trying and dedicated to doing what needs to be done for the good of their party. It's probably fair to say their DPS isn't that bad either, since if you care about the party you're probably more committed to making this a fast run than most of the DPS who pick the role to stay out of the spotlight.

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I absolutely 100% play DPS to stay about of the spotlight. I do my ROT well and pay attention to mechanics, but I don't want to tank and have that responsibility nor do I want to heal and have the lives of every party member on me. I play for fun and the story. The dungeon runs are just a necessity and I want to get in and out and be done with it.

Because DPS is hard to gauge outside of things like Goad, stuns, and mechanics (all things I'll commend for) they usually get my comm if the tank or healer were dropping the ball.

DJ Tank spinning mobs like records? Melee DPS comm for tolerating that.
Healer doesn't have any spells besides Cure on their bars? DPS comm.

Usually I just comm whoever I feel made the run go smoothest, so the above usually aligns with that.

I commend people when they follow the mechanics and do what they are suppose to, regardless of role.

I commend people (not just DPS, but any role) based on a list of exclusion rather than a ranking of who's best.

If people annoy me because:

-They're mean.
-They're not doing their job/role correctly.
-They're in a situation where they should know the mechanics, but fall into their traps anyway. I always cut first-timers some slack.
-They're technically doing what they're supposed to, but in a very inefficient manner. For example, plucking off enemies one by one from a huge mob as a single-target DPS while having full MP/TP and having obvious access to AOE abilities.

...then I cross their name off the list of candidates. Then, when the dungeon is over, I take whoever is left and do eeny meeny miny moe.

There are occasional exceptions, but they're not common. Stuff like healer lb3 without being asked, etc.

I usually commend my fellow DPS unless they're exceedingly bad or rude. I do notice commends dry up in trials and raids as rdm when things go sideways and emergency verrez is the only thing that pulled us through. And of course this is purely personal confirmation bias but sam and drg seem to never give me commends when I'm the other dps -shrug-

As a BLM my commendation goes to the dps if I have to throw a low number of flares or when bosses die extremely fast. Commendation goes to healer if he had to raise people, kept tank good through super pulls. Then I give the tank one if he so fast he just flies through the dungeon runs right into boss fights so I can get those double foul moments. And just overall didn't miss a beat.