Male Viera... Unsubbing for now.

Vocal minority are complaining. The vast vast majority will not care 1 bit.



This is SE's game, as players we have the right to stop paying. We do not have the right to try to force them to change it into what the SJWs want.

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Originally Posted by Twinsoul

Lots of gratitude to the trolls for helping to keep this thread alive. SE made big a mistake on this one and I really hope they see these threads.

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Interesting take on how people that don't agree with you somehow makes them trolls. Don't kid yourself, hundreds of threads will be posted about this same topic so we all know they will eventually see the feedback. It's fine to voice your concerns, but labeling people who don't agree with you as trolls is pretty immature.

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Originally Posted by Selova

Interesting take on how people that don't agree with you somehow makes them trolls. Don't kid yourself, hundreds of threads will be posted about this same topic so we all know they will eventually see the feedback. It's fine to voice your concerns, but labeling people who don't agree with you as trolls is pretty immature.

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You're assuming they're calling people who don't agree "trolls". There are plenty of people in this thread who are just here to cause trouble, not just disagreeing.

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Originally Posted by Xilibrius

SE is smart they held back on the gender announcement from the na/eu fanfests to avoid a diablo immortal reaction from the crowd. better to wait for the jp fanfest where most of the audience doesnt care about bunny boys.

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I wish companies would just read their audience a lot better than haphazardly going into terrible announcements and wondering why people are mad.

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Originally Posted by purgatori

/My future Viera self waves bye bye.

On a more serious note, I am personally, and selfishly happy that there doesn't appear to be any male Viera incoming. I always gravitate towards playable races in games that only consist of female members (e.g., Asari from ME). But if I step back from selfish mode a little bit, I can see how including male Viera would have resulted in a higher number of happy players overall, since I assume that I am in the tiny minority for whom having male Viera would actually make us less happy---and even then, it's the kind of less happy that we could probably live with.

That's really the most sympathy that anyone who is upset over this is going to get from me, though, as I just can't relate/empathise.

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I'm actually fairly happy they are as they've always been too.
All these upset people seem to be upset that something that never existed outside their own imagination of what it might have been didn't materialize.

Even the concept art matching the female viera is not even remotely close to what all these complaint threads are claiming it would have been

And we already have the ability to make diminutive males in miqote and midlander and even elezen can have those features in a taller race
And we already have the ability to make super muscular women with roegadyn and Highlander.

And lalafel you can't even tell if it's male or female unless you know the animation differences if androgenous is the goal

The claims of needing to fill a gap are just aren't true outside the people that openly just say they want a character that looks like it's from underage hentai

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Vocal minority are complaining. The vast vast majority will not care 1 bit.



This is SE's game, as players we have the right to stop paying. We do not have the right to try to force them to change it into what the SJWs want.

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Not everyone who disagrees with you is a social justice warrior. However, when people add their perspectives/biases to their arguments that doesn't necessarily mean their opinions are invalid. The majority has spoken that gender locks are a horrible decision-regardless of whether they prefer Hrothgar or Viera.

Good decision SE!

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Vocal minority are complaining. The vast vast majority will not care 1 bit.

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There's no way to know on the forums what the majority or minority opinions are. All you're going to see are individuals voicing their opinions.

It doesn't really matter if it's a minority, anyway. A large enough minority can still be a huge problem for a company that relies on keeping their customers satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Selova

Interesting take on how people that don't agree with you somehow makes them trolls.

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No, I wasn't addressing respectful disagreement. I was addressing the trolls. Look, see, you'll see them, if you look. But you have to look.

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Originally Posted by Twinsoul

There's no way to know on the forums what the majority or minority opinions are. All you're going to see are individuals voicing their opinions.

It doesn't really matter if it's a minority, anyway. A large enough minority can still be a huge problem for a company that relies on keeping their customers satisfied.



No, I wasn't addressing respectful disagreement. I was addressing the trolls. Look, see, you'll see them, if you look. But you have to look.

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What I've been seeing on these forums tonight is an absolute metric asston of over-reactive whiplash over a cosmetic choice, and people that are either:

A) just laughing at all the mayhem

B) disagreeing and trying to make it into an actual discussion.

The former may be a bit bad mannered, but it's not trolling.

the memes have been great thus far
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...rnkgo1_540.png

Why should a male be feminine?

I am just really disappointed in this action of SE, gender locking races was one of the things that upset the community before a realm reborn. it was silly, I personally found it sexist, and I found it unrealistic, using males/females are secluded and don't ever go anywhere is cop out. You as the main "Hero". IS and should be the rare type of person that do want to travel or do adventuring ect. It is like saying well it is a woman's job to stay at home and take care of the kids. No woman can choose to do that or go on a adventure or get a job ect. same as males.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Vocal minority are complaining. The vast vast majority will not care 1 bit.



This is SE's game, as players we have the right to stop paying. We do not have the right to try to force them to change it into what the SJWs want.

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wooow. this isn't an SJW issue. This is, at the WORST a false advertising issue, and at best a VERY skeezy, shady 'hide the facts as long as we possibly can so people maintain the hype for things' issue. They went out of their way to hide males, despite including them in lore. To disregard females despite their blatant existence in FFX. This isn't a social justice issue, this is a 'literally why in god's name did you think it was ok to mislead people this way' issue. ..also no healers. 4 years no healers. it'll be at 6 years before we healers will see another chance at maybe having a new option.

Players: WHY DO WE KEEP GETTING HUMANS WITH ANIMAL EARS???
Yoshi: Adds non human with unique design
Also Players: WHY DON'T WE GET HUMAN WITH ANIMAL EARS??

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Originally Posted by Jinxie

wooow. this isn't an SJW issue. This is, at the WORST a false advertising issue, and at best a VERY skeezy, shady 'hide the facts as long as we possibly can so people maintain the hype for things' issue. They went out of their way to hide males, despite including them in lore. To disregard females despite their blatant existence in FFX. This isn't a social justice issue, this is a 'literally why in god's name did you think it was ok to mislead people this way' issue. ..also no healers. 4 years no healers. it'll be at 6 years before we healers will see another chance at maybe having a new option.

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False Advertising?

We're reaching some pretty intense levels of gamer entitlement now. SE never promised Male Viera. I get being upset that you didn't get a particular option for a race, but let's call a spade a spade here.

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Originally Posted by Jinxie

They went out of their way to hide males, despite including them in lore.

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but the lore said they live and die alone only coming out of seclusion to mate, and get newly discovered males and train them to live on their own.

Shh! You can't use the lore card..just because..of things..and stuff.

Additionally just because there were female Ronso clearly seen in 10, 14 isn't 10.

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Originally Posted by Xilibrius

the memes have been great thus far
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...rnkgo1_540.png

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OH MY GOD This is fantastic. Discord is gonna get this tonight.

Is this race not just gender neutral?

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Originally Posted by CarnivalNights

OH MY GOD This is fantastic. Discord is gonna get this tonight.

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this one had me laughing the hardest to the announcemnet of Hrothgarhttps://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/...4928/lion2.gif

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a social justice warrior. However, when people add their perspectives/biases to their arguments that doesn't necessarily mean their opinions are invalid. The majority has spoken that gender locks are a horrible decision-regardless of whether they prefer Hrothgar or Viera.

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I don't prefer either.
I like my current race.

I just don't think locking races to only a single gender is a good decision.

And, according to reports, back in 2.x the devs thought the same thing...
Supposedly citing that as a reason for unlocking the races previously locked in 1.x...

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Originally Posted by Xilibrius

but the lore said they live and die alone only coming out of seclusion to mate, and get newly discovered males and train them to live on their own.

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Lore also says effectively the same thing for male members of one of the Miqo'te tribes. Duskwight Elezen also live in heavy seclusion, regardless of gender. But you can still play as them.

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Originally Posted by decoratibo

Lore also says effectively the same thing for male members of one of the Miqo'te tribes. Duskwight Elezen also live in heavy seclusion, regardless of gender. But you can still play as them.

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This. It shouldn't make a difference. There was no precedent for this other than early issues that were already criticized and resolved. There was no good reason for them to add new genderlocked races, I'm sorry.

Remember all of those male Viera in the FFXII village? Why couldn't they model them based off of those?

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Originally Posted by cipherthevideo

This. It shouldn't make a difference. There was no precedent for this other than early issues that were already criticized and resolved. There was no good reason for them to add new genderlocked races, I'm sorry.

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from a technical standpoint there is actually, It's easier to model gear for one gender and one gender only since they mentioned already that as it was the viera female model was different from the traditional models used in game. This is just me speculating however as I have no background in computer programing or engineering but I imagine it'd be a hell of a lot easier to only have to worry how a set of gear looks on one model then two since it's unlikley that viera males would have the exact same model as the female.

I'm sorry to all of you who didn't get the male Bunny's they wanted.

Oh, okay. Bye.

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Originally Posted by Xilibrius

from a technical standpoint there is actually, It's easier to model gear for one gender and one gender only since they mentioned already that as it was the viera female model was different from the traditional models used in game. This is just me speculating however as I have no background in computer programing or engineering but I imagine it'd be a hell of a lot easier to only have to worry how a set of gear looks on one model then two since it's unlikley that viera males would have the exact same model as the female.

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I agree, which makes the decision to add a whole other seperate race even more baffling to me. I don't have a background in programming either, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were merely modified male roegadyn models to save time in an attempt to compensate for the lack of male viera. I'm happy for those that wanted hrothgar, but unhappy that they believed that would take the place of male viera as some sort of "consolation prize" in any capacity.

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Originally Posted by Xilibrius

from a technical standpoint there is actually, It's easier to model gear for one gender and one gender only since they mentioned already that as it was the viera female model was different from the traditional models used in game. This is just me speculating however as I have no background in computer programing or engineering but I imagine it'd be a hell of a lot easier to only have to worry how a set of gear looks on one model then two since it's unlikley that viera males would have the exact same model as the female.

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Forgive me if I'm missing or forgetting something, but I'm pretty sure all they said that was different was just the ears. They had to modify headgear. Headgear is largely unisex and they should not have had too much issue carrying that over to male models. Either way, it's not like they only made female Viera. They also went through the trouble of making male Hrothgar and adjusting existing armor to fit them. I'm also not a coder, but I cannot see how creating a completely new race would have been easier than creating a male variant of an already existent female model. I have worked in 3D modeling before, and from that perspective, having to adjust armor for a completely different race with completely different features and proportions seems like much harder work to me. At best, I believe the effort put into making either a new race or a new gender variant would have been equal.

A female Viera, long ranged dps, dancer class... No thank you, I'll pass.

What I don't get is why "unlocking" Miqo'te and Roe compared to v1 and FFXI to lock race now.
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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a social justice warrior. However, when people add their perspectives/biases to their arguments that doesn't necessarily mean their opinions are invalid. The majority has spoken that gender locks are a horrible decision-regardless of whether they prefer Hrothgar or Viera.

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You have no evidence to say that the "majority" don't want gender-locked races. Just like no one has evidence of the opposite. All we have are the forums and social media... which A) Only represent about 1% of the actual population of FF14 players, and B) is heavily, heavily skewed to the negative, because you are 1000% more likely to post to complain about something than you are to praise something.

Thus he used the term "vocal minority" because that's exactly what it is. If SE thought it would significantly affect them financially to not have male Viera, then they would have made male Viera. But obviously their metrics show otherwise.

unsubbed ~_~

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Originally Posted by Tabbs

I'm unsubbing until male Viera are added, sorry devs. I love the game, but I have been hoping for this for a really long time (well before Viera were confirmed or hinted at coming to the game). I understand this is probably a little childish, but I'm not worried about appearing that way.

I'm happy the Ronso crowd got their race, but I'm very disappointed we've yet again taken the route of "men big manly" and "women sleek sexy". Games with genderlocking in races and classes NEVER keep my attention. Black Desert looks great, for example, but my favorite classes are female only so I just can't bring myself to play it.

Unfortunately, between BLU, no male Viera, and (so far) no healer... I'm just really let down.

Please consider bringing us male Viera very soon.

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The Ronso crowd only got half their race. And trolls can't use the "LORE REAZONS" bs because female ronso are already a thing.

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Originally Posted by Selova

You have no claims to back up where the game is headed aside from your personal feelings because you didn't get what you wanted. Also, pulling the misogynist card....really? Just stop. This is embarassing.

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You're a female Highlander, without people like this petitioning for genders on races you wouldn't exist. That is what's embarrassing and hypocritical.

No Viera male for lore reason don't stand either as the lore itself says they exist.
It's to wonder how we got male Miqo'te and female Roe lol...

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Originally Posted by KittenMittens

You're a female Highlander, without people like this petitioning for genders on races you wouldn't exist. That is what's embarrassing and hypocritical.

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That's a good point. Without community outrage like we are seeing now, she wouldn't even be able to play her race. Community outrage got us female roes and male miqo.

Good luck. Has there ever been a male Viera in final fantasy game. Because don't remember ever seeing one in any of them.

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Originally Posted by Jinxie

wooow. this isn't an SJW issue. This is, at the WORST a false advertising issue, and at best a VERY skeezy, shady 'hide the facts as long as we possibly can so people maintain the hype for things' issue.

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I mean, Yoshi went out of his way to NOT confirm Male Viera at any point, so to deem it false advertising is, at the WORST, a stretch and at best a VERY big stretch.

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Originally Posted by manickitty

That's a good point. Without community outrage like we are seeing now, she wouldn't even be able to play her race. Community outrage got us female roes and male miqo.

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When Roe and Miqote were gender-locked, the game had MUCH bigger problems to sort out first. Sure there were people asking for it but to say the main reason they brought in the opposite genders was community outrage is hyperbole, we have more than one reason to believe they would have been introduced in ARR anyway. Your point's still valid, I'm just saying.