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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

That's generally why I don't curse unless I'm with friends. They do it too and pay no mind. I can curse to myself in real life all I want otherwise...and I do. lol Usually when people are being unintelligent.

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Same here. If i have to vent i do it on VC or for myself but that doesn't happen often because most of the time i just sigh and roll with my eyes...over 4 years of final fantasy teach you that its not worth to get mad over people in the DF.

Reporting someone for being "toxic" is a very vague report, from what i know. Most if not all GM's wouldn't do anything based on someone just being toxic as being toxic and breaking ToS can be two different things depending on the situation. GM's do NOT take outside or third party proof and they do internal investigations based on chatlogs mostly. I won't deny i have gotten mad at people in game too but i always make sure i never directly harass someone or grief anyone as those are the main things that get you behind GM bars. You cannot report someone for harassing someone else either (well you can make a report about anything, but unless its directly between you and others i doubt GM's will do anything). As far as i know you have to be the harassed person to make a valid report and have a GM consider looking into things in depth. You could say my view is biased as i have never been talked to by a GM so as far as i know i have no faults on my account, however with that being said i don't think that it's justifiable enough to change the ToS based on a minority of people with mental health issues as that in itself could cause massive issues for the games community as a whole. There has to be a middle ground where it's not too strict and not too lenient. Whether SE has that correct middle ground or not i cannot say, however as i myself have not gotten in any trouble so far seems to be about right since as far as i know i have never done anything that breaks the ToS.

The only time i think i would ask for a change or fix for something is if i noticed GM's acting unprofessionally and giving unprofessional or improper punishments to people that did not coincide with what they were supposed to be in terms of seriousness of the punishment or if they even deserved punishment or not. Unfortunately or Fortunately however you view it this isn't a court and you can't just argue a mental health case to get yourself out of trouble since GM's only act (as far as i know) based on proof. There is no jury, thus if you did wrong or not is usually clear as day to the GM and they should always be able to determine whether its a strike or not without having to be stuck in debate about it. This is all just my opinion based on what i know and do not know. I have reported people plenty of times and the only thing i think that i wish was changed is if we find out if the GM's actually do their jobs or not. You never know if someone actually gets banned or not and in a way i can understand why they can't have too much transparency with this, but at the same time how can we the community make sure the GM's are doing their jobs and being professional if we cannot see the consequences of a clear case and its results being investigated upon and taken action on.

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Originally Posted by Eric_Riot

First off lets not assume that we all know that every person can control their actions. Just because you make this this statement does not make it a fact, just because you say it.

https://www.cdc.gov/features/tourett...ngs/index.html

"#3 People with Tourette cannot control their tics (movement or sound) even though they may want to. "

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And yet people with tourettes can normally improve their symptoms with some combination of therapy and medication.

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Secondly stop assuming that most addicts don't relapse.

https://drugabuse.com/library/drug-relapse/

"Recent drug relapse statistics show that more than 85% of individuals relapse and return to drug use within the year following treatment. "

So post some fact's not opinion's when you use phrases like "lost of addicts control themselves" sure if "Lots" is 15%.

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I'm not sure how many recovering addicts you have known, but I've known quite a few personally. The ones I know who are still clean 6-7 years later didn't actually get clean the first time they tried, so they would have been part of that 85% at some point; however, they still wanted a better life for themselves and ended up putting in the work for themselves to get clean/ sober. Just because someone relapsed once doesn't mean they will again and it also doesn't mean that rules and laws should be changed just because it's hard for an addict to control their impulses and get/ stay clean.

Personally I think it's a reasonable request that after x amount of time (I'd prefer a year of good behavior, but it would be up to SE to think about what they might consider fair) one of your strikes would be removed from counting against you. So, warning, 24 - 72 hour ban (depending on what you did and how bad it was), 7 day ban, permmaban. You do something dumb, get a warning. Do something else dumb, get the short ban. You learn from your mistakes, after a year, you're back to getting a short ban if you mess up again. It would be a nice way to reward someone who is trying to improve their behavior.

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Originally Posted by Mixt

I have an FC mate who found himself in a comparable situation.

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What I find to be the most comparable here is that what your friend did was actually reportable. I sympathize with their situation as I've spent the most of last night carrying O12 myself on my healer. But no amount of abuse directed at you is justification for you performing it yourself. Your friend should've kept their mouth shut and took it, or left the instance. Report the lot of them at the end either way. But instead, they "snapped and lashed out". They brought this on themselves, similar to what OP did.

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it's only okay when THEY do it!

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I mean, your friend would've had to report them for anything to be done to them, and it doesn't seem like they did, so I don't understand what you're complaining about here. Both sides were in the wrong, one simply bothered to file that harassment report.

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Originally Posted by MizArai

It would be a nice way to reward someone who is trying to improve their behavior.

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I think the problem here is that there's no way of telling apart those who are improving, and those who simply didn't get caught. Oftentimes the difference between a ban and not-a-ban is someone bothering to file a report, and making it a proper one. So during that year, our offender could've still kept at it, but somehow got lucky enough and wasn't reported. A lot of stories end up in the DF thread instead of the GM's inbox, for instance, a lot of people aren't sure if it's reportable or are lied to, don't know how to file a report, etc.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I think the problem here is that there's no way of telling apart those who are improving, and those who simply didn't get caught. Oftentimes the difference between a ban and not-a-ban is someone bothering to file a report, and making it a proper one. So during that year, our offender could've still kept at it, but somehow got lucky enough and wasn't reported. A lot of stories end up in the DF thread instead of the GM's inbox, for instance, a lot of people aren't sure if it's reportable or are lied to, don't know how to file a report, etc.

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While this is true, it's actually not unheard of for people to have made successful appeals for bans and strikes based on long periods of good behaviour, or so much time has passed that it can be argued that the individual has since grown up.

Successful mmos stick around for a very long time. Already a lot of people who were teenagers when they started playing FFXIV are adults now. Kids do stupid things, but kids also grow up. If an adult wants to be a paying customer again SE are better off giving them the benefit of the doubt and taking their money, rather than assume people can't change or mature.

As for people on their last legs on their account wanting to get strikes removed, while a long period of time with good behaviour could actually be simply not getting reported, again it's in SE's interest to take their money if they feel a sufficient amount of trouble-free time has passed.

That being said I would assume the accounts in both cases would be flagged internally in case the person is repeatedly reported again.

Of course all this also heavily weighs on WHY a person is reported. If it's because they're very rude well that's not a very serious offence in the grand scheme of things. But if the reports were relating to things such as inappropriate behaviour towards a minor well then they're never getting their account back.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

While this is true, it's actually not unheard of for people to have made successful appeals for bans and strikes based on long periods of good behaviour, or so much time has passed that it can be argued that the individual has since grown up.

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I will concede all you said, but think it shouldn't be an automated process so much as something the GMs should take into account when deciding on punishment. Like you said, anything involving minors shouldn't get that sort of treatment at all, for instance.
And there would be a trade-off. An offense after a year, you get a repeat of the easier punishment instead of the harsher punishment, but if they repeat the offense again after a certain period, it actually bounces the penalty up because it shows your period of good behavior might've been a fluke or lack of reports more so than an honest attempt to do better.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

And there would be a trade-off. An offense after a year, you get a repeat of the easier punishment instead of the harsher punishment, but if they repeat the offense again after a certain period, it actually bounces the penalty up because it shows your period of good behavior might've been a fluke or lack of reports more so than an honest attempt to do better.

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Yea you would never get a "clean slate" so to speak. Your account would permanently be flagged as having been troublesome at some point.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

but think it shouldn't be an automated process so much as something the GMs should take into account when deciding on punishment

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Oh god no. Something like this needs to be handled by a person. Completely agree.

That doesn't work. There are point systems for dangerous driving in certain countries where if you get X points you lose your drivers license. If you do NOT get any points for some time, some of those points are rubbed off.

So, what happens?! Certainly not a sudden change of heart and realization that going 120 through town center is dangerous. People just wait for their points to disappear and then fill em right back up shortly after...because they never changed. They just wanted to avoid having to go through the process of getting the drivers license again.

And repeat criminals that are caught and fined/jailed?! If someone repeated some crime once, they are very likely to repeat it for years to come if given the opportunity. Some people really do commit crimes out of desperation and they end at "once". But those that commit crimes more than once either WANT to commit crimes (and only feel disgruntled they got caught) or cannot control themselves...And I can tell you that your victim won't feel any better finding out you assaulted/robbed or killed them just because you couldn't control yourself due to ailment of some sort.


The system is fine. So long as people don't get strikes for false charges, there is no need to remove them, be it "soft removal" or "hard removal" from the record. That's why there is little problem with bans in game (they actually do care to investigate and consider something), but there is a problem on the forums (you can be banned on forum for being reported more often than for doing something offensive, it seems).

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it is not hard to make me upset and start to say things I don't mean

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Social policy is always in conflict between the concept that people have agency of their actions and that some people do not. For society to function, control must be utilized. Either you control yourself like a human, or you act like a dog and get muzzled.

It obviously gets more dicey when kids and mental-illness are involved. But believe me, that while this is all 'game stuff,' these kinds of issues happen in politics all the time. Actions and products get banned all the time, because someone can't control themselves. Eventually the system gets brought down to the lowest denominator and everyone is restricted, or the people who can't control themselves have to at least have the maturity to limit themselves. If you know you're prone to fights--don't get into situations where you fight. Just like if someone is prone to drunk-driving--don't drink. Please... control yourself, or the government or someone else will step in and not only control you, but everyone else.

I didn't read all the comments, but I am in favor of a point degregation. That if you've made a mistake, but have been clean for a long period of time--that you're on the path. I'm always. ALWAYS in favor of rehabilitation over retribution.

What an absolute train wreck of a thread. Lahabrea will be pleased if I present this to him. Glorious chaos all in preparation for the return of the one true God.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

How can you control something you have no control over? That's like asking a man with turrets syndrome to stop acting weird. It's mental heath and you have no way of controlling that. Addicts have impulses so why can't they stop? It wouldn't be called an impulse if you could just stop and control your actions.

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This is why we younger people get called snowflakes. People are quick to give up their agency when it suits them instead of accepting the consequences of their choices. The fault always lies on someone else, or when that fails, on an inexplicable quirk of the mind.

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Originally Posted by MizArai

It would be a nice way to reward someone who is trying to improve their behavior.

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The time to reward someone for good behavior is when they are growing up and still learning and testing social boundaries. Coddling adults like this is harmful, because it delays the lesson that real life doesn't always give you a second chance.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

You want to know what each report for me was?
First time ever was due to a drg telling me "I don't know how to play drg so I shouldn't talk" That is the response I was given when asking him to please doom spike the 14 mob pull the tank was doing. After he said that I threaten to kick him from the dungeon.
Second time being ban was from a thordan ex farm party 7/8 static members and we had picked up 1 random. This random was on smn and our healers where struggling to keep up due to the aoe damage and we needed a dead member to be raised and when asked to help, he responded with "stfu, no my problem" after that I same "SMD" and then we kicked him. Later that night I got a ban. Third time I was ban was due to me just being a rude MF and was deserved and that was my first time ever being ban, I learn my lesson to not be one of the many toxic players that day. Each time I've been ban after that 1 time has been me retaliating in a poor manner and it's just an impulse I have and it's not something I can control as you can see with my final ban just around the corner. The latest report I had was due to me telling off a guy for being toxic to the tank because he didn't position the boss in the most perfect position. I'm being treated like a monster right now, like everyone attacking me and telling me it's my fault for being so bad. All I'm doing is trying to be nice and I'm met with so much toxic and rudeness each time and it caused me to lose my cool.

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If someone telling you not to instruct them how to play the game so easily sets you off then your issues are more sevre then your admitting to yourself. Its time to leave the game and get your issues worked out not keep playing and asking for changes cause you have no self control. Impulse control or not you are responsible for any and all actions you take in game, so take responbility for yourself get treatment if its so hard for you too not respond to negativity..

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

I didn't even get halfway through the first page before realizing how this was going to go down. OP, while I do sympathize if you do have a mental illness of some kind, the rules are there in place for a reason and they shouldn't be bent for any one person because that would set a pretty bad predicament. If you've been hit with suspension before and the problems continue, perhaps FFXIV is not the game for you. The point is that this is supposed to create a comfortable environment for everybody, not just the one player who feels that the rules should be adjusted for them. Again, having only read through only half of the first page, while I sympathize about mental illness, I cannot sympathize about asking for some kind of exemption to the rule about suspensions and bans.

If you have such a hard time controlling your impulses online, and you've been warned about it before and it continues to happen, then I'll be plain and blunt - FFXIV is not the game for you, and you honestly would need to start seeking professional help to assist you in getting that under control before you come back into an online gaming environment. That's just my two cents on the matter.

Also: please note that you've probably just put this account on notice as well, so if you can't control yourself, you run the risk of having both this account and your main terminated if the GMs link the two together. tldr: Either work on getting the help you need or you'll just be banned.

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Rule violations are per account only they do not carry over to new accounts. So her new account is safe until she screws up on it which from the sound of it she eventaully will.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Rule violations are per account only they do not carry over to new accounts. So her new account is safe until she screws up on it which from the sound of it she eventaully will.

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If her main account is banned, however, this one could be seen as a way to attempt to circumvent said ban. Which would also be bannable.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

If her main account is banned, however, this one could be seen as a way to attempt to circumvent said ban. Which would also be bannable.

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If her main account was already banned and she started this one it would still be ban circumventing. Players with multiple accounts would also be ban circumventing by what your saying and SE would have to ban all their accounts rather then just the one that commited the violations.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

If her main account was already banned and she started this one it would still be ban circumventing. Players with multiple accounts would also be ban circumventing by what your saying and SE would have to ban all their accounts rather then just the one that commited the violations.

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Doubtful they'd do it because of the $$$ involved but ultimately they should? I mean it's not any character that performed the violation, it's the person playing that character, and therefore they're the ones who should be removed from the game, as they're likely to repeat similar violations on all their accounts.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Doubtful they'd do it because of the $$$ involved but ultimately they should? I mean it's not any character that performed the violation, it's the person playing that character, and therefore they're the ones who should be removed from the game, as they're likely to repeat similar violations on all their accounts.

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Should but will it ever happen not likely.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

If her main account was already banned and she started this one it would still be ban circumventing.

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I never said otherwise?

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Players with multiple accounts would also be ban circumventing by what your saying and SE would have to ban all their accounts rather then just the one that commited the violations.

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I mean, they should? They were the ones who committed enough infractions to ban one account. Why should their other accounts be immune to similar punishment?


Not sure what you're actually trying to say with this response to me.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

This is why we younger people get called snowflakes. People are quick to give up their agency when it suits them instead of accepting the consequences of their choices. The fault always lies on someone else, or when that fails, on an inexplicable quirk of the mind.


The time to reward someone for good behavior is when they are growing up and still learning and testing social boundaries. Coddling adults like this is harmful, because it delays the lesson that real life doesn't always give you a second chance.

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Ah, then I guess I'm just doomed. I'll just give up on everything then. Thank you all for giving me the eyes to see that not a single person cares. Have a wonderful life. Lesson learn for me. Never bother to try and speak out. Always be pushed down and stepped on and laughed at. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

Ah, then I guess I'm just doomed. I'll just give up on everything then. Thank you all for giving me the eyes to see that not a single person cares. Have a wonderful life. Lesson learn for me. Never bother to try and speak out. Always be pushed down and stepped on and laughed at. Got it.

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Most people are trying to tell you that it's something that YOU can change, or at least get some control over. It won't be easy, and it might require some professional help, but there is no shame in admitting you have a problem and wanting to do all you can to make it right. In fact, I have a lot of respect for people who do. You are at least stable enough to know what you're doing. That tells me that you can be helped if you choose. If you don't want to choose to improve your own life? Enjoy your ban(s).

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Originally Posted by TarynH

How many slaps on the hand do you think you deserve, before you feel you can control your impulses?

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Not everyone is as quick as you are. But yes, punish the slower and the less intelligent. Kick us when we're done and looking for salvation.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

Not everyone is as quick as you are. But yes, punish the slower and the less intelligent. Kick us when we're done and looking for salvation.

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Clearly you're not as stupid as you're trying to claim to be as you yourself have stated more than once you're bright enough to know you have a problem and that what you have been doing is not the correct thing to do. Also I don't think you are looking for salvation as again you don't seem to have any remorse in what you have done which has led you to this point. So, my first conclusion has to be correct in that you only don't want this final ban to happen because you don't want to lose access to your main. Unless you really do want to try and change and then my last advice to you is show it. Start working on trying to curb your impulses.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Most people are trying to tell you that it's something that YOU can change, or at least get some control over. It won't be easy, and it might require some professional help, but there is no shame in admitting you have a problem and wanting to do all you can to make it right. In fact, I have a lot of respect for people who do. You are at least stable enough to know what you're doing. That tells me that you can be helped if you choose. If you don't want to choose to improve your own life? Enjoy your ban(s).

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I'm trying to change and it's not easy at all. But what I would like is to have a way to not lose my account for ever if I end up breaking a rule by mistake. Or I miss type and when I meant to say something in another chat or to another person, it is sent to someone else or in another chat log where lots of people can see it. You can't tell me you've never once sent a miss tell or chat in the wrong LS/FC chat before. What if something is slip out into the wrong chat and taken out of context and then I'm reported? These are the things that keep me up at night, scared that I might make a simple mistake. The chat that would be mt isn't something that is meant to be toxic or hateful. What I do with my friends is meant for their eyes only. All I'm asking for is the account deletion to be changed to a 1 month ban. People don't understand how punishing that still is. For me that would mean weeks of uncap tombs, dailys and most of all, raids. They can still delete your account if you're botting, hacking, or if what you're saying in chat is truly toxic and the chat logs show no one provoked them into saying what was said. Sadly I'm at the point of just giving up because everyone hates this idea and only wishes me banned, everyone things that you should only give 4 mess ups before you learn your lesson but i'm a slow learner and the last two bans where not even something I knew was a ban able offence, like telling someone to f-off, to me that's like a common saying in the real world and never seen it as a threatening saying. And before that I was ban for using the squadrons LB on a the boss in O6S when the talk about it was all over the place. All I wanted to do was try it and thought nothing bad would even happen, that it would just get patched out.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Clearly you're not as stupid as you're trying to claim to be as you yourself have stated more than once you're bright enough to know you have a problem and that what you have been doing is not the correct thing to do. Also I don't think you are looking for salvation as again you don't seem to have any remorse in what you have done which has led you to this point. So, my first conclusion has to be correct in that you only don't want this final ban to happen because you don't want to lose access to your main. Unless you really do want to try and change and then my last advice to you is show it. Start working on trying to curb your impulses.

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You fail to see what I'm really up against. All it's going to take is a simple miss tell and I'm ban on the spot. I've sent miss tells before and it was really embarrassing what was seen and I'll never forget it but that doesn't mean it will never happen again. What if something meant for someone close to me is MT and someone takes it out of context and reports me? I'm finished.

Somewhat relevant... Going to leave this here... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-5gb0sVK7o

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

like telling someone to f-off, to me that's like a common saying in the real world and never seen it as a threatening saying.

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Where do you live that this is a common saying and it's used non-threateningly? From the examples you gave, that seems exactly how you intended it. You know, because someone made you mad.

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And before that I was ban for using the squadrons LB on a the boss in O6S when the talk about it was all over the place. All I wanted to do was try it and thought nothing bad would even happen, that it would just get patched out.

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I've been skimming over the thread for the last couple days and I don't remember this ban being mentioned. Maybe I missed it?

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

You fail to see what I'm really up against. All it's going to take is a simple miss tell and I'm ban on the spot. I've sent miss tells before and it was really embarrassing what was seen and I'll never forget it but that doesn't mean it will never happen again. What if something meant for someone close to me is MT and someone takes it out of context and reports me? I'm finished.

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Then maybe you shouldn't be sending tells with bannable content in them. Case closed. You want to swear and talk s**t? Leave it on discord, and you won't be sending mis-tells.

And if you don't know the person you're sending the "bannable" stuff to well enough to get their discord info, then you shouldn't be sending them foul/rude/'jokey' tells anyway.

Didn't they specifically *not* implement mass bans over the squadron limit break because people would have tried it out of curiosity?

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Originally Posted by DevonEllwood

Where do you live that this is a common saying and it's used non-threateningly? From the examples you gave, that seems exactly how you intended it. You know, because someone made you mad.



I've been skimming over the thread for the last couple days and I don't remember this ban being mentioned. Maybe I missed it?

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It was a ban on this account. Also I used "F-off" as a "screw you" But with more disgust to show me distaste towards the target. As you know the target was a toxic player who was bad talking someone who was on a 99% tank that he is used to playing with. People like that grinds my gears and I have to see it every day that I pug raids because I can't commit to a static time.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

Then maybe you shouldn't be sending tells with bannable content in them. Case closed. You want to swear and talk s**t? Leave it on discord, and you won't be sending mis-tells.

And if you don't know the person you're sending the "bannable" stuff to well enough to get their discord info, then you shouldn't be sending them foul/rude/'jokey' tells anyway.

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It's not foul,rude, or jokey tells. It's more of an intimate convo. Believe it or not I'm some what of a Roll player but when toxic people come alone it breaks my immersion. So no, using discord is 100% an immersion breaking deal.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Didn't they specifically *not* implement mass bans over the squadron limit break because people would have tried it out of curiosity?

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Nope. My alt got ban for 2 days as a first offence while my main only got a warning because I wanted to show some friends and used it on a striking dummy and a dungeon boss mob. On my alt when I first found out about it, I was doing raids and tried it on the raid boss and thus I was ban for that I guess.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

It's not foul,rude, or jokey tells. It's more of an intimate convo. Believe it or not I'm some what of a Roll player but when toxic people come alone it breaks my immersion. So no, using discord is 100% an immersion breaking deal.

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BINGO!!! So the person is considered toxic if they break you RP immersion. It has taken 12 pages on this topic for this to come up.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

I'm trying to change and it's not easy at all. But what I would like is to have a way to not lose my account for ever if I end up breaking a rule by mistake.

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It may be best to step away from the game then until you can get a handle on things. If you're trying? Great! However, that does not give you a free pass. Once you've shown you have improved there's nothing wrong with making an appeal to SE customer service. But there needs to be evidence of this. Actions speak louder than words. You got yourself into this mess, you will have to dig yourself back out.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

Ah, then I guess I'm just doomed. I'll just give up on everything then. Thank you all for giving me the eyes to see that not a single person cares. Have a wonderful life. Lesson learn for me. Never bother to try and speak out. Always be pushed down and stepped on and laughed at. Got it.

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It's difficult to show caring towards someone who seems excessively inclined to play the victim card and who also seems inclined to push the idea that they're being persecuted, while the only person they are a victim of is themself. If you don't want to be banned, then follow the rules. You are not the only person who experiences mental illness or anger and impulse control problems. And yet somehow, friends and family of my own who are affected, including individuals actually with Tourette's Syndrome, haven't even had a single infraction. You are not a victim of or persecuted by the community, you are being held to the same standards as everybody else.

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Originally Posted by Gurney

BINGO!!! So the person is considered toxic if they break you RP immersion. It has taken 12 pages on this topic for this to come up.

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What? I've never said that. They're only breaking it when they begin to talk badly to the others or myself in the party for not doing the fight perfect like they expect it to be done. For example If you're not perfectly on a way marker or perfectly beside someone they flip their lid on someone and begin going off on them, telling them how bad at the game they are..ect. Love how you twist my words and spin it in what ever direction fits YOUR narrative.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It may be best to step away from the game then until you can get a handle on things. If you're trying? Great! However, that does not give you a free pass. Once you've shown you have improved there's nothing wrong with making an appeal to SE customer service. But there needs to be evidence of this. Actions speak louder than words. You got yourself into this mess, you will have to dig yourself back out.

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How do you write an appeal? And what do you mean by that? Can I have my past bans justified by making an appeal? I've not once been told I can summit an appeal.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

How do you write an appeal? And what do you mean by that? Can I have my past bans justified by making an appeal? I've not once been told I can summit an appeal.

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It has been brought up at least twice in this thread apart from me. How you do it I have no clue, but I know it can be done. Never had to, so...

From what I can understand you contact CS or a GM. Not a written one though. As things currently stand however it is best to not even bother. Months down the road, probably. But not now.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

Ah, then I guess I'm just doomed. I'll just give up on everything then. Thank you all for giving me the eyes to see that not a single person cares. Have a wonderful life. Lesson learn for me. Never bother to try and speak out. Always be pushed down and stepped on and laughed at. Got it.

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Excuse you.

People care. What they don’t care for, however, are those who try to use their disabilities—be them physical or mental—as a reason to defend or excuse their actions.

You did enough to put your main account on its last leg, strike-wise; and you were more than capable of controlling yourself from lashing out on more than one occasion. At the very least, you were capable of learning from your previous mistakes, and opting to not repeat them. But you neither refrained nor learned, and you are left now to deal with the consequences. You are not entitled to demand that the rules change simply because you don’t want to control/learn to control your impulses.

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Originally Posted by Hope_For_Change

Ah, then I guess I'm just doomed. I'll just give up on everything then. Thank you all for giving me the eyes to see that not a single person cares. Have a wonderful life. Lesson learn for me. Never bother to try and speak out. Always be pushed down and stepped on and laughed at. Got it.

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Stop it. Seriously. Stop with the over-dramatics, stop with the self-pitying. You've been given options on what you need to do - quit going to such extremes just because some folks are not feeling sorry for your situation. A lot of good advice has been given throughout this entire thread, and it's something that you probably need to do. Take a step away from the game and just focus on yourself. I can promise you that your issues are not going to go away if you keep subjecting yourself to the same environment expecting different results when you are having a hard time controlling your impulses. Given the length of this thread, I can promise you that the mods probably have an eye on this - so chill, before you end up losing access to the forums.

Just take a break over the holidays - there is nothing currently that requires you to keep pushing yourself in this game. How about just taking a break until 4.5 comes out. Step away and start working on yourself. At this rate, with the posts you've made, you're only hurting your cause, not helping it.