Blue mage at patch 4.5

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I really hope its not the case but I fear that Blue Mage will just be a job with Logos actions but instead of finding them and creating them you have to bash x amount of monsters to get them.

Maybe such a Blue mage would be their way to fix the empty overworld..by having a job that only can do stuff on the maps and not in the instances...I really hope this is wrong.

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But then why would we even bother being out in the empty overworld to collect skills we can't use anywhere else? Such a pointless concept if that's what they're going to do.

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Originally Posted by Luin

Of those 50 logos actions, only about 12 are actually "new".
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To me it just doesn't make any sense in developing and revealing a fan-favorite, call it a job, show it doing stuff in combat, and then have it *not* be a job.

Doesn't matter what you call it at that point. If it can't raid, it's not a job, and it's not content. At that point, it's a joke. No better than the Wind-Up Red Mage's description.

What's most disappointing is that this is a real possibility.

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How is it 'not content' just because all YOU want to do is raid?
Raiding is about 10% of the game, people are always clamouring for 'good side content', thats why Diadem and Eureka were disappointing, because peoole want side content, and indeed many still do play Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Lanntis

But then why would we even bother being out in the empty overworld to collect skills we can't use anywhere else? Such a pointless concept if that's what they're going to do.

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Why raid just to obtain equipment that you wont use anywhere other than in raids?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Why raid just to obtain equipment that you wont use anywhere other than in raids?

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Because it's usable outside of raids too, and will be arguably a requirement for the next tier of raid.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Why raid just to obtain equipment that you wont use anywhere other than in raids?

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Except that my comment applied to ALL group content, not just raids. Raids might be whatever % you wish it to be, but the majority of the game is group/party content, and as such I'd like to be able to take the job to use in most of the game's content.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Because it's usable outside of raids too, and will be arguably a requirement for the next tier of raid.

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It was a rhetorical question. Its al pointless if youre just doing it for the sake of it. The key point is to do what you enjoy doing.

Also, Lanntis comment on the 'empty overworld'. If the problem is that its empty, why complain about more content being added to it?
Seems like circular logic.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Also, Lanntis comment on the 'empty overworld'. If the problem is that its empty, why complain about more content being added to it?
Seems like circular logic.

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It's not any more "content" than the hunting logs were

"Not suited for parties". "Designed for solo play"

No one here is surprised. No one.

Well there it is. My hype is utterly deflated.

I prepared myself for this.
Still I feel crushed. :(

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Originally Posted by ChaseNetwork

Can I take the instant wipe moves from Primals please? xD

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Shiva's arrow move was instant wipe back in the way. Need to specifically ask for their ultimates!

I love how they blame player toxicity and potential exploits for why they don't let BLU into parties, when the fault lies with how they designed the class in the first place. Because they're the ones who designed it like that to be so broken.

You all have phones right?

What's the point of showing off a cool new fresh class that everyone wanted and then say they couldn't balance it but put it in the game? That's like putting Death Knights into WoW but you can't do any group play like what the actual hell SE I don't know what they were thinking i'm not surprised just disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Cyreil

You all have phones right?

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I think people are having the blues right now.

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If you went into a Savage raid and didn't have certain blue magic skills, you'd get kicked by your party!

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If I went into Savage raid and didn't have decent gear, I'd be kicked from the party as well!

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If a Blue Mage used Level 5 Death and instantly killed the raid boss, people would be upset!

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So... don't give them game breaking abilities..?

"Here's a list of jobs you guys really, really, really want and we might give you some of them, but you won't really be able to play them because this is still an MMO and you have dungeons in the MSQ!"

No other game could ever balance blue magic in a multiplayer setting though, it's very very hard.

yes yes I know XI was hardly balanced but still

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Originally Posted by Beckett

So... don't give them game breaking abilities..?

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Wouldn't be possible, else they might just be a discount Blue Mage when the abilities they get from monsters aren't working the same way like the monsters'.

If they couldn’t make it work like a real job they should have just developed something else :(

So basically Blue Mage is dead content they're wasting money on because they're incompetent. Between this and the server reshuffling, what I way to butcher the expansion hype.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

"Here's a list of jobs you guys really, really, really want and we might give you some of them, but you won't really be able to play them because this is still an MMO and you have dungeons in the MSQ!"

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It does say premade parties are allowed, though, so... if you have a group of 4, you should still be able to do them. Not ideal, and I really am not sure they understood that in "trying to make people happy by giving them BLU at all although they can't balance it" they're just really making everyone unhappy, but I expected it to be 100% solo, can't even access the duty list. So, that's something.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

So basically Blue Mage is dead content they're wasting money on because they're incompetent. Between this and the server reshuffling, what I way to butcher the expansion hype.

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When everything is so finely tuned and balanced (to them) that any sort of shake up can disturb the balance, they do crap like this. Scared to develop something with depth and actually look at real balance in fights and interactions between player abilities and monsters.

And no access to Duty Finder, Roulette, PvP and Deep Dungeon for them, either.

(Pre-formed parties still work, though.)

So the (possible) Gunblade class could be a DPS and still wouldn't make a big hit on queues.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

If I went into Savage raid and didn't have decent gear, I'd be kicked from the party as well!

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Hell if you went into a Savage raid and didn't pick up all your job quest skills you'd be kicked too.

"pfft why would I need Assize?" - No White Mage Ever

updating post.

If they were already going to build this ridiculous system, I don't see why not make a proper build, something they can balance, and have that learned from leveling up and from the job quests. Like in PvP, your actions would be swapped around so when you're in matched content, that's what you get to use, no ifs ands or buts. And then, if you wanted the extra solo experience, go do that solo experience.

I wasn't even looking forward to BLU so much, and at least one person I know who was is still pleased. I'm just astounded at the thinking process behind the design.

What a waste of a job. No one wants this content outside of the massochists who find Eureka to be the pinnacle of XIV.

Disappointing and another example of SE being out of touch with what players want or like.

I thought people wanted new and different content? NO? Huh..

Its now a job that is completely different from any other job. Which is what i thought people wanted.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

I don't get the point of having a job you can't really play outside of its own duty or in anything relevant.

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Well, the Disciples of the Hand and Land are still around and getting content in 5.x.....

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Nice troll there SE. :D

I just realised, this means 50 levels of FATE grinding/non-roulette levelling dungeons if you're already done with MSQ. Welp, it'll make the folks that wanted a slow grind from 1 again happy.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Well, the Disciples of the Hand and Land are still around and getting content in 5.x.....

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DoH/DoL were never going to be anything but what they are. This is not what people were asking for when they asked for BLU.

Also this is locked behind RNG? THIS IS LOCKED BEHIND RNG?!

Couldn't they have made job quests that center around learning magic from monsters and made it a regular job?

I just don't get the point in making a job that is completely useless in current content forever its a waste of development time.

The fact that this got past the design phase is baffling and makes me question the direction of the game

RNG Mage confirmed!

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I just realised, this means 50 levels of FATE grinding/non-roulette levelling dungeons if you're already done with MSQ. Welp, it'll make the folks that wanted a slow grind from 1 again happy.

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XP gain is higher for the Blue Mage to compensate their lack of duty finder access.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

XP gain is higher for the Blue Mage to compensate their lack of duty finder access.

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And that's good, but I've seen what "increased XP gain" tends to mean. So, it'll be the equivalent of solo grinding for 40 levels, instead ><

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Well, the Disciples of the Hand and Land are still around and getting content in 5.x.....

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Nobody expect a fisher to fight Ascien with his fishing rod.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

The fact that this got past the design phase is baffling and makes me question the direction of the game

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Shouldn't be baffling.

They wanted to add the traditional Blue Mage, which has a design that doesn't jive with the design of other classes and balancing for content (obviously they could have, but is that really Blue Mage or just a caster with a Blue Mage flavor), and have decided to add its own content to the game as its own (solo-focused) "current content."

Expand your definition of "current content" outside of the narrow "level-cap dungeons and raids" and suddenly it's not at all confusing.