So, how is Pyros?

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Originally Posted by lvlagmarink

On a side note, there may be some players who actually play healers on pyros but dont actually want to heal because they fear of getting aggro.. i begin to meet healers in my past parties who actually will not heal or raise anybody despite we were trying to spawn NM.. they only cast their dps spell and heal themself.. on one ocassion, I actually experienced a healer who kept casting stone IV while some RDMs and other jobs were casting vercure and cure L actions on me in trying to spawn the level 50 NM..

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Well you're talking about different issues.
Healing your party during a NM is basically a death sentence if a) your party are hitting the adds that b) muppets have dragged into combat with them.
If you have a decent group and people are generally clued up, it is OK to heal - but ultimately resing is much better overall as most high-end mobs are one shot kills anyway.

The issue you had with your healer (in your group?): just sounds like they were a baddie.

There's another rather significant issue with getting logograms, which is that at max level, there are no sprites that drop mitigative logograms.

There are multiple sources of them prior to that, but only inimical logograms drop from 50-55 sprites post-adaptation, which seems like a pretty big oversight.

The only way you can get them in large quantities at 50 is by level syncing using a NM then killing whatever appropriate sprites can be found in their vicinity.

If I'm not actually currently working on a relic, is it a good idea to step into Pagos/Pyros or not?

I'm contemplating just leveling up, but not grinding beyond that.

Would I still be making progress towards future relic steps (acquiring items, etc.) or would I be "wasting" a lot of work by doing it without a relic in progress at the time?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If I'm not actually currently working on a relic, is it a good idea to step into Pagos/Pyros or not?

I'm contemplating just leveling up, but not grinding beyond that.

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The relic and a couple of rare items (including 2 mounts, 2 emotes, a few tt cards, minions and some recycled glamour) are the only interesting rewards eureka has to offer. There's also a (very weak and badly narrated) story. If you're not interested in any of this, there's little point doing eureka. This content doesn't include new and interesting mechanics. Even the logos actions have very little utility.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I half-wish they made the logograms untradable simply to make the lazy players suffer, since there's little keeping you from just AFKing to a weapon like every other Eureka instance.

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I'd be totally cool with that if outleveling the sprites dropping them wasn't thing

I already can't wait for pyros to die so I won't have to fight against 136+ people for literally anything.
10% chance of getting a bunny, impossible to farm logos because of people killing the nms or trying to steal the sprites.
Just let us make our own private instances thanks, the less people in my instances the better, maybe then offensive won't be 2m on the mb.
It never was a problem in anemos and pagos but in pyros anyone outside of my party is basically a nuisance.

is definately much faster than last time, at this point i'm almost finished, I have my relic, I've unlocked the relic armor and am in the progress of getting the gear needed for the crystals and only have a bit of light grinding to do get the stats, at this point in pagos' release I was still struggling to level up and would continue to do so for another week. Also farming out logoscopes makes things a bit more interesting than simply doing fates constantly and bunny fates are actually useful unlike they were in pagos.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I half-wish they made the logograms untradable simply to make the lazy players suffer, since there's little keeping you from just AFKing to a weapon like every other Eureka instance.

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This, but I'm actually making serious bank out of lazy people buying my Logograms and other Pyros goods, so I kind of want it to continue as well.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

Well you're talking about different issues.
Healing your party during a NM is basically a death sentence if a) your party are hitting the adds that b) muppets have dragged into combat with them.
If you have a decent group and people are generally clued up, it is OK to heal - but ultimately resing is much better overall as most high-end mobs are one shot kills anyway.

The issue you had with your healer (in your group?): just sounds like they were a baddie.

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You probably misunderstand here.

What I said was "... we were trying to spawn NM..." as in we were killing the val bloodgliders to spawn the level 50 Penthesilea NM, there were two tanks in our party and both died from Val Bloodgliders auto attack because the healer was just spamming stone IV. I wouldn't personally know what these healers motives behind not healing at all, hence why i'm just assuming things, but at the very least even the worst baddies healers i have found in dungeons would at least try to heal or raise the party.. this specific healer i mentioned of (the worst kind of eureka healer i've encountered) wouldnt even cast protect even after being asked..

And I'm saying this as a comparison of what I experienced in all three of eurekas because I'm soloing a lot as a warrior. Even when I was tanking The NMs in anemos and pagos, healers who werent actually in a party with me would ocassionally heal me.. but this kind of thing is very rare to happen in Pyros..

Well... I've gotten to level 50, got my PLD relic, done the 50 logograms, got the emote, got the hair, got the horns, and two of the minions(Calca & the Dhalmel). That I know of I still need to get the Fending Armor since I like the way it looks and the mount. Overall, I'd say I'm enjoying myself MUCH more than I was in Pagos. The layers of RNG are really annoying at times even if I understand why they did it. There is especially no way i'm going to sit and do substats for the relic when my tombstone gear already outshines it. The feel of the grind is much more tolerable in Pyros even with the multiple RNG layers. The atmosphere is also much improved imo. It's much easier to find a group too since quite a few people are bouncing around between the two bunny fates and whatever NM's spawn. The lower level to attune to the aetherites was also much appreciated and facilitated movement much easier. Overall, it'd say its more like Anemos in feel and i'm actually finding that i'm enjoying myself.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I half-wish they made the logograms untradable simply to make the lazy players suffer, since there's little keeping you from just AFKing to a weapon like every other Eureka instance.

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When did being super lucky automatically = working hard?

No they shouldn't be tradeable so that people who work just as hard, can't be exploited by lucky people (who likely have been playing the content less) can sell it for absurd prices for their own gain. Content (specifically relics and gear) should NOT be gatekeeped by other players, or the rng that allows this.

and seriously the reason they are tradeable is because you are meant to cooperate with other players to get logos actions, and lets not forget that the logos duty actions themselves aren't actually that valuable, and are a way to augment gameplay and give players an edge in combat, the only reason they are this expensive is cause players simply can't get the total of 50 logos actions used cause of bad rng, NOT because they are being lazy.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

Well you're talking about different issues.
Healing your party during a NM is basically a death sentence if a) your party are hitting the adds that b) muppets have dragged into combat with them.
If you have a decent group and people are generally clued up, it is OK to heal - but ultimately resing is much better overall as most high-end mobs are one shot kills anyway.

The issue you had with your healer (in your group?): just sounds like they were a baddie.

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This is too relatable. I gave up healing or using any aoe during fates because most people who are there don't have a clue how to ignore and/or de-aggro extra mobs that are pulled in. What pisses me off more are the people who intentionally pull their adds into the thick of the action to get rid of the aggro, which just causes issues for everyone else. Just let them kill you and be raised.

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Originally Posted by Darkplanet

When did being super lucky automatically = working hard?

No they shouldn't be tradeable so that people who work just as hard, can't be exploited by lucky people (who likely have been playing the content less) can sell it for absurd prices for their own gain. Content (specifically relics and gear) should NOT be gatekeeped by other players, or the rng that allows this.

and seriously the reason they are tradeable is because you are meant to cooperate with other players to get logos actions, and lets not forget that the logos duty actions themselves aren't actually that valuable, and are a way to augment gameplay and give players an edge in combat, the only reason they are this expensive is cause players simply can't get the total of 50 logos actions used cause of bad rng, NOT because they are being lazy.

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The only logograms that are bugging me are the offensive/protectives, which really shouldn't be gated exclusively behind gold bunny chests and ought to just drop from bunnies in general with better chests dropping larger quantities.

After a whole timer in I'll drop the bomb :

I prefer Pagos by a large margin.

At least in pagos, even if its long as hell and boring I was able to just follow the train and get my relic done in the process at a slow pace.

Now, Fate are XP and crystal only. The whole logos system is a pain, I'll have to do mob grind (whom I profondly hate), a lot of bunnies (Want more RNG on your RNG covered RNG cake ?) just to unlock useless recipes with another round of RNG for their succes because lets be honest, every thing is doable without using them once.

Random stat in the relic is the cherry on the cake, won't even bother with it. I'd sure love to get my CRit-DH bow but for the cost of playing with my luck for it once again ? Not gonna happen.

Pyros is still trash and even less engaging to me than Pagos but its my taste. It sure have pretty neat advantage like quicly hitting lv max, quicly attune to etherite and... well thats all. Mob are too packed and so many of them sound agro without logical reason behind it, half-iced half-fire is lame and overused and so much hallways its ridiculous.

Pyros isn't rewarding at all, it all about your luck and your luck only, no brain involved just randomly generated number.

None of your assumption is actually correct.

I alway pull my weight at its peak whenever I can on a NM, I never complaign about a early pull cause there is no solid rule about it and I alway help at burning trash when my level permit it.

I find every activity in the whole Eureka boring as hell and only start afking after the 4th lockout of the day cause yeah, 12h hours of meat bag punching it start feeling dull.

But whatever float your boat, have fun. I don't even with the less lame activity this crap has to propose and it can't even bring me to the end of it.

Pyros has issues. It's not terrible, but the logos system has caused some problems. A lot of people farm bunny fates for chests, which mean less people spawning NMs. Pyros crystals seem harder to come by because of the slower NM spawning. A lot of logograms are hard to get, requiring a lot of luck with a gold chest at times.

And speaking of slow spawns, we had several groups of people prepping Penny through two heat waves today for hours and she never spawned. Next heat wave is in 6 hours. It's terrible.

Map design is better, leveling is better and low level aetherytes are good. But it seems like all the ridiculous RNG is specifically designed to drag the content out as long as possible.

How's Pyros? You ask


The Good:

Aetherytes - These unlock at sensible levels, unlike Pagos, where they are unlocked way too late.

The Map - I found this far less frustrating that Pagos

Levelling - This felt much better, except the Bunny Fates rather got in the way. They give low XP but because of the rewards, most groups automatically do them as and when they come up. I have been in instances where nobody was interested in spawning other fates at all, which was very frustrating.

Logos System - Interesting and engaging initially, but at level 50 I've discovered I'm too high to farm for certain Logograms (workrounds exist but they require an organised group who know what they are doing and I don't see that happening with random people). Other Logograms are only from gold chests from the bunny fates, (see RNG below).
I love the idea of this and feel it should have been in Eureka from the start, but the way it's been implemented leaves something to be desired.


The Not So Good:

The Bunny Fates - These have gone from irrelevant and annoying in Pagos to being practically mandatory (and annoying) in Pyros. You have to do them for the armour, certain Logograms; as well as highly desired items like the Mount and the Hairstyle. It's overkill.
It's very easy to jump into a 'Bunny/Fate farm party' because there are always plenty of them. However, if you want to farm mobs for Logos or spawn other fates, then it's much harder to find a group. You either go with the majority and do the bunnies or spend an awful lot of time waiting around.

RNG - At max-level, this is all they are using to keep you playing.

Want any of the items from the Gold Chests?
Getting gold in the fate only gives you a chance to get a bunny and even if you get one and both you and the bunny survive, you only have a tiny chance of getting a Gold chest.
The more people doing the fates, the less chance you have of getting a bunny, and of course everyone is doing them because the rewards are so good.

Weapon stats are also determined by RNG. How much light you need to get the stats you want (or stats you'd settle for) is not down to effort, it's purely down to luck.


I've played Pyros for the past week; I've levelled to 50, done the bunny fates, farmed light, learned 32 out of the 50 actions and suddenly I'm seeing this for what it is; it's a Skinner Box.
If I want anything out of Pyros besides a mediocre weapon (and I guess I'm lucky it's only mediocre), then I have to farm an indeterminate amount of light so I can gamble with my stats, or do the Bunny fates so I can gamble on getting a Gold box.

I guess it's just not for me. This content does not respect my time, nor does it reward effort or skill. If I wanted this type of gameplay, I could pick up any 'Free to Play' Korean grinder, but for a subscription MMO I feel this is pretty poor.


TLDR: Engaging and fun at the start, but once the gloss wears off, Pyros feels increasingly empty and designed to waste your time.

I've now reached the light farm stage and find myself stuck. All people do is run back and forth the 2 bunny fates like lemmings or farm heatboxes. Trying to join or form a light group is difficult...

I wonder if it's because they don't realise they will need crystals or light that they do that? I had no idea there was even a light step till a few days ago. I get some people might not be worried about the weapon till they hit 50 so just level via bunnies not realising if they do fates and help spawn them it would help them out a lot more than bunnies do later on when they do weapons.

Giving bunnies xp is probably one of the biggest mistakes they could have made or at least giving them so much, 350 and 1m is too much. Should have been 100 and 400k or something. Like a token gesture for doing it but really the box is the reward. That or make them spawn times longer if rewarding xp at those levels where they're mini fates.

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Originally Posted by Rhus

I wonder if it's because they don't realise they will need crystals or light that they do that? I had no idea there was even a light step till a few days ago. I get some people might not be worried about the weapon till they hit 50 so just level via bunnies not realising if they do fates and help spawn them it would help them out a lot more than bunnies do later on when they do weapons.

Giving bunnies xp is probably one of the biggest mistakes they could have made or at least giving them so much, 350 and 1m is too much. Should have been 100 and 400k or something. Like a token gesture for doing it but really the box is the reward. That or make them spawn times longer if rewarding xp at those levels where they're mini fates.

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Remove the exp and people won't stop doing bunnies. Read through this same thread to understand why people are doing bunnies, it's required to get offensive and protective logograms unless you want to pay a high price in the marketboard, not to mention the mount and hairstyle. Every map still has a couple of groups doing NM spawns so it's not really a big deal, you're just missing the AFK crowd spamming /cheer that was present in anemos and pagos.

Does the mount & hairstyle drop from any bunny gold chest or only the northern bunny gold chest?

i got mount and hairstyle from the same chest on south bunny fate

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

Does the mount & hairstyle drop from any bunny gold chest or only the northern bunny gold chest?

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Drops are the same with both, the only difference I noticed is that the higher level one seems to have higher chance to give silver over bronze.

So, after doing my Pyros dues, I wrote up quite a few thoughts about it. Overall, Pyros felt good those first few days. I am not sure if it was just Stockholm Syndrome from Pagos or what, but I was genuinely enjoying myself while leveling. However, once you hit max level, the ever familiar Eureka feel hits you right in the face and breaks your nose in the process. I have separated my thoughts into the spoilers below since they are long, and I hope they are coherent enough to read.

Edit : Apologies for strange formatting. Forums hate me today.


The Good

1. Leveling
Compared to Pagos, Pyros’ leveling is so much smoother and better designed. There was nothing more defeating and unengaging than chaining for hours and hours in Pagos and your exp bar barely moves. On the flipside, the exp flows freely everywhere in Pyros and it feels good. I was getting half a million from 0x chained sprites while doing Lamebrix spawn. The NMs give millions and make that bar jump up.

2. Layout
With multiple paths and fewer cliffs, Pyros is much easier to navigate even with increased mob density and choke points. Choke points now consist of a few regular mobs that you can outlevel rather than dragons - the only truly annoying choke point now being the Pyros Hawks right outside of the North Bunny fate.
Aetherytes are in much better places and levels than Pagos as well.

3. Logos System
With a ton of fun and useful abilities, the Logos system has made chaining easier and soloing much more viable. There is a plethora of useful abilities and I would wager is the only place in the game where there is no defined BiS build.
For example, I actually run Raise/Regen on BLM as I spend a good portion of my Pyros time solo spawning the oft forgotten NMs such as Aetolus and Iris. Spirit Dart and
Skirmisher end up being useless for me because BLM nukes them regardless, but the Regen makes it so I do not have to stop killing to wait for health to come back. It has
been working splendidly for me and I can only imagine some of the other builds people have been using to supplement their preferred way of going about Pyros.

Keeping up chains is a joke now with damage buffs out the butt and fun spells like Death solving sticky situations in a split second.

Logos System needs to be put into Pagos and Anemos… now.

The Bad

1. Bunnies
Happy Bunnies are riding this very fine line between fun and annoying. I personally enjoy getting a bunny and finding treasure, especially once you hit max level and nothing bothers you in the southern side of the map. It is the only thing in Eureka that is slightly different than the rest. However…

North Bunnies are far more annoying than South Bunnies. Both have the same item pool, making doing North Bunnies a threat with no real reward. At max level, doing South Bunnies has no threat of death at all with the same rewards as North Bunnies that want to take you into the worst enemies possible. My proposal for this issue is that certain bunny treasure points in the north half of the map guarantee gold.

Not to mention that only 20 or so people actually get the bunny when finishing the fate. Buff the damn bunnies.

2. Lamebrix, Ying-Yang, Skoll... oh my!
NM drops are a good idea in concept. I absolutely support farming certain NMs for certain rare items, the problem comes in when you will literally never see the item. Only
one (or two) people get the drop per instance, and it is not locked so theoretically the same person can get the drop every single time.

That being said, the drops are for a completely optional and honestly borderline useless (at the moment) feature, so that is why this is not so egregious. You can also dish out the gil on the MB for them, so if RNG does not favor you, you have a chance.

For me, it would have been much better if it worked via token system. I know, item bloat is a thing in this game (but if they moved currencies to the currency tab… :thinking:). Have the drops be rare, and require like… 10-20 tokens (one per kill) guarantee a trade of the rare item with one of the useless NPCs in base. Or, do like Hakutaku and have a crafted Eureka item guarantee the drop (assuming they would add gathering/crafting/better bunnies).

3. Weather
Again, another good thing in concept. Certain events and monsters being tied to weather is fun and encourages pre-planning and adventure. However, when there is sometimes 6-8 real time hours until you can even attempt to see something, that is when it is NOT fun. Combine that with being unable to zone back into the same instance you were just in, makes for an unhappy instance and unhappy players when you get a situation where certain NMs and certain goals are a literal impossibility for the day.

Another ‘meh’ point, because it clearly works for certain NMs such as Flauros and Askalaphos. These NMs never have problems spawning, where certain ones like Dux and PENNY will take literal hundreds of mobs and still not spawn.

The Ugly

1. Penthesilea Spawn
The above point leads straight into this.

Fix. Penthesilea. Spawn.

This has happened more than once where we pre-prep nearly 200 mobs for double heat waves (because the next heat waves after were 8 hours away :))))) ), and she did not spawn. We had nearly the entire instance killing moths, and she took the entirety of two heat waves to spawn.

This was ONLY possible because we were in a nice enough instance to play the Penny game, but if it had been some of the instance I was in earlier, where they could only scrape together 8-16 people, she would have never spawned.

2. Mounts
This is an all of Eureka problem, but is applicable to Pyros too. Why does my wolf forget how to run in Eureka? Flying, I can pass off but… running? Removing mounts is literally just there to be tedious. It’s not fun or engaging, especially when it is obvious that it is one of the things they did to make it “more dangerous”. It’s not more dangerous, it’s just slower. The only thing that I am in danger of when I’m mountless is falling asleep as I auto-run across the map.

3. Awful Story
It sucks. There really isn’t much to say about this.

Many players were curious about the Isle of Val and the fall of the Students of Baldesion, and Eureka is that story, but it’s bad. Really bad. Possibly the worst side story in the game imo. It’s so bad and uneventful, that it could be removed and even hard lore junkies would barely blink an eye.

3. Logos Farming
This could have been an okay feature if the logos dropped from anything other than sprites. Is there a reason that an item we need in abundance are so rare and only come from certain mobs at certain times at certain levels?
It is absolutely ridiculous that once you are max level, you have to either delevel 8 times or Grafficane cheese to farm mitigative because the other lvl 53 fire sprites only drop conceptual.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that you have to compete… for THREE max level spawn points
across a possible 144 people, especially when people can solo sprites with Reflect now.

Logos should drop from normal mobs as well. Fire aspected enemies dropping Offensive, Water dropping Curative, etc etc. Even if they limited those drops to less than sprites or weather locked like sprites, it would open up a lot of farming spots and put less reliance on bunny golds.

In the end, I suppose this sprite issue could be somewhat solved with a...

4. ELEMENTAL. LEVEL. SYNC.
Why is this not a thing!?

I have spent hours being a flash bot for my friend as she does her challenge logs since she cannot play with me in normal parties and she does not have so much time to sit on the train.

This is an incredibly basic thing that should have been there from day one. The tech is there, we know it is because it is used in FATES and dungeons all the time. The only reason it isn’t is because of the sheer incompetence of seeing what the player base
needs or stubbornness (or both).

5. Lack of Level Cap Weeklies
Challenge logs are useless once you are max level. At least have them give a little light or crystals of the instance you are in once you are 50.

6. Useless Mobs and NMs
Amarok and Lamashtu.
Eye of Horus and Arch Angra Mainyu.
Finally, Glaukopis and (sorta) Lumber Jack.

What do all of these NMs have in common? They are useless.

There are hundreds of mobs in every version of Eureka that are just there. They have absolutely no use and aren’t even in the way sometimes. The NMs especially, have those aforementioned outliers that are just too high level to be a good use of people’s time (if they are farming crystals) and have no drops associated. Eureka in general has this trend of shoving a ton of mobs and NMs into the zone with only a handful ever being useful. They have squandered the opportunity to give NMs different spawn requirements, the relic more depth, and max level spawn parties more
incentive to spread out and spawn and kill EVERYTHING.

How cool would it be if there was gathering in Eureka and Lumber Jack spawned via chopping down trees? He would be spawned just by process of people doing their gathering there. What if Lamashtu spawned from people dying anywhere in the map?

7. Still Too Much Mob Grinding, Not Enough Variety
Daily quests, gathering, and crafting. I think almost everyone can agree that these things would be a boon to Eureka and ease the annoyance of the only goal of Eureka being mass murder.

Imagine having Eureka unique materials you can gather, using them to craft logos or materials for relic weapons, and being able to sell or trade with people. It adds another path for players to earn their relic. Imagine having daily quests from the many NPCs in base that give a little bit more lore and substance to the island while giving you a handful of crystals or light. Don’t feel like chaining? Grab the daily quest and travel to certain spots on the map and use /lookout for like 10 crystals or a quarter of a bar of light. It would definitely be a pittance of light or crystals to someone who chains or actively spawns NMs, but it’s an alternative to those who just cannot (or don’t want to) spend a lot of time in Eureka that day.

I was still one of those poor souls stuck in Pagos when Pyros released. I had gotten just one level into the relic before I stopped playing. Not just eureka, but all of final fantasy 14. That's how bad Pagos was to me. Spent my time playing other single player RPG games in my stead. When I heard they had sped up the process in Pagos, I figured I'd give it another shot to move into pyros.

Not so fast forward to earlier today, when I finally get my Pagos weapon maxed and step into pyros.......and there's not enough level 37ish( I actually gained two extra levels just finishing Pagos) people to make even a light party. I spent almost an hour of my 3 hour time in the instance shouting for a group while trying to kill mobs just outside camp, and was met mostly by entitled level 50s saying either solo or GTFO. Eureka has done nothing positive to the community. If anything, it has made it ever more spiteful and hateful of others, who dare ask for a little help from strangers, that they should sacrifice THIER time and effort for the little guys who have just gotten started.

This is the worst relic questline the game has ever had! It's worse then the diadem ever was! And is NOTHING like what FF 11 was at the end. It's missed every mark it's gone for, and has worsened the community as a whole. I sincerely hope that the team behind this content is proud of how they've poisoned the community and killed our kindness to each other. Living breathing kefkas on staff behind eureka.

Looks like logograms isn't dropping since hotfix maintenance. Been in there for 6+ hours today and not got one logogram. Yesterday doing same thing and got over 60 yesterday and zip today.

I'm current unsub, and got to test Pyros with the free 96h.
The monster placement is terrible, anemos and pagos at least we could sneak arount and not get killed solo, but pyros is impossible. Why do they have increased the exploration difficulty? They didn't even added basic functions for easy auto party finder with similar elemental level, or even level sync.

I've spent 2h with an open party finder request, tried 2 times and NOBODY applied.
Now that most of the active player base is lv 50 and I'm 35, how I'm supposed to level up if I can't even sneak through the map this time without getting killed and needing to aks for a ress everytime I need to pass through that stupid lvl 37 Mob in the way that never turns in a favorable direction to sneak pluss immune to my RDM bind?

Eureka ages terribly bad.
Roullete for Eureka, when? That's the only thing this community know how to apply. Unfortunately, Eureka is apparently casual content, and thus casuals don't usually make use of party finder. It happened 3 times, 3 times that any new player that started in week 2 is left behind and chose to give up the content, cause it's too CLUNKY to find similar elemental level to level up together. Happened with anemos, but is was not that bad, cause you could follow the NM train with ease. Happened with pagos, a pretty worse, cause there was no train to follow. Now happening again with Pyros, this time terrible as I already explained. We can see it's getting worse.
Will Devs finally acknowledge this terrible design issue, ever?

Another design issue, we enter eureka, we meet awesome players the first time, then we leave, and we know that we will never meet again, and it get's worse as you enter more and more, cause you will increasingly not going to try to make friends there, cause you're gonna lose them within minutes. This is terrible social design.

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Looks like logograms isn't dropping since hotfix maintenance. Been in there for 6+ hours today and not got one logogram. Yesterday doing same thing and got over 60 yesterday and zip today.

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Do you farm Elemental Sprites?

As a heads up for those new to Pyros: the fire crabs, fire scorpions, dragon and hawks (hornets?) are all sound aggro. If you're trying to get to the high level bunny FATE; just walk.

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Another design issue, we enter eureka, we meet awesome players the first time, then we leave, and we know that we will never meet again, and it get's worse as you enter more and more, cause you will increasingly not going to try to make friends there, cause you're gonna lose them within minutes. This is terrible social design.

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That's what the Contacts was made for. You meet people, become friends, leave and then send a friend request via the Contacts. Now you can form parties together (and send tells, I think?).

Do those items for the sixth magicite drop at a low rate per player, or is it being distributed among participants randomly?

If it's the latter, I'm thinking I need to find a dead instance to do some NM spawning in, because I've yet to get any of them after multiple completions of all the associated FATEs.

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Do those items for the sixth magicite drop at a low rate per player, or is it being distributed among participants randomly?

If it's the latter, I'm thinking I need to find a dead instance to do some NM spawning in, because I've yet to get any of them after multiple completions of all the associated FATEs.

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Which is really dumb. Have to use RNG to spawn the NM, then RNG on top of that determines if you get it or not.

You need a total of 650 Pyros crystals for upgrading elemental weapon into Pyros weapon, which not a lot of drop from NMs if they spawn, and it's the only way to get these crystals, same with Pagos and Anemos crystals.

However, Anemos Crystals had more uses and were required to complete armor AND weapon set for your job that you wanted to get geared up for, and could be converted into protean crystals and NMs gave Anemos crystals like it was candy, and you also need to kill Pazuzu once.

Pagos crystals that were required for elemental weapon is 500 and far as how many dropped for how unfun Pagos was at the start until people learned that it was better to do challenge log in Anemos to actually do Pagos grind at lvl 25, that was fine although, need to kill Louhi 3 times was a bit too much, and same goes for the light farming...

Pyros has no excuse whatsoever for the absurdly low amount crystals that drop from NMs, especially since there is no there is no other way to get these items, Pagos wasn't as bad because you didn't need that additional 150(200+ if you farmed Louhi 5 times along with whatever NMs you doing for light farming) and people have already found the most optimal way for grinding out the random stats for their Pyros weapons, except for those that are so far behind because of Pagos not being fun and are expecting for NM trains to be a thing in Pyros. And that's not even factoring in how dumb NM spawn rates are and the conditions...


So overall Pagos needs light farming to be easier, and Pyros NMs need to give more crystals..

Pyros is abysmal, just like the rest of Eureka. Better than Pagos, worse than Anemos, all of it worse than a lot of shit f2p games.

The weather requirement for NMs in Pyros is becoming old. Way too often I get home from work and heatwaves aren't going to be up again for 3-4 hours and I just need a single Penny kill to finish off the last step before light on my weapon. And the times heatwaves are up? Convincing people to leave the bunnies alone to prep her just never seems to happen.

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The weather requirement for NMs in Pyros is becoming old. Way too often I get home from work and heatwaves aren't going to be up again for 3-4 hours and I just need a single Penny kill to finish off the last step before light on my weapon. And the times heatwaves are up? Convincing people to leave the bunnies alone to prep her just never seems to happen.

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Same here. There was nearly a 6 hour gap before the next heatwave when I was on last night and todays two heatwaves have passed without any proper groups trying to spawn it. I guess once people get their relic, there's no reason to dedicate time to Pen, they have light grinds, heatbox grinds, bunnies and the 6th magicite to farm for endlessly.
I was also in an instance recently that pre-farmed Skoll for one hour, then went through 4 Blizzard windows and failed to spawn it.

Apart from that, Pyros is better than Pagos, but not without flaws.

-Bunny chest rng needs to be toned down a lot.
-Everyone in the fate should get a bunny.
-The light grind should be unlocked in advance.
-Logos acquisition needs a lot of work, the gold bunny/sprite issue is ridiculous.
-Weather based NM spawn requirements need to be lowered.
-Weapon stat rng re-rolls just needs to go entirely.
-Level sync really needs to be a thing, particularly in Anemos/Pagos too.
-The Pagos light grind needs a nerf. It's roadblocking players from persuing multiple Pyros relics.

Apart from that, I've actually been enjoying it. But the minor annoyances and blocks really do affect the experience.

I like the concept, but the reality is sadly lacking. It's impossible to get into a party, I've tried multiple PFs and not a single person joined. The ONLY thing to do is go in and hope some fates spawn, but I'm increasingly hanging about for 90mins-2 hours for a whole 3 or 4 fates. That's a complete waste of any logograms you use when inside. Can't get a party inside either, despite shouting. The heatwarped lockboxes are unobtainable solo, despite the fact they are the only way to get specific logograms without spending a fortune on them. So with the dirth of fates and no party possible, I eventually got the 2 light bars and rolled once. det + 65. Well whoopee for me, can wait to do that again. NOT. I've decided to leave it for now, wouldn't be surprised if all the grind here will end up pointless (like the grind for the "relic armour" in amemos did).

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The weather requirement for NMs in Pyros is becoming old. Way too often I get home from work and heatwaves aren't going to be up again for 3-4 hours and I just need a single Penny kill to finish off the last step before light on my weapon. And the times heatwaves are up? Convincing people to leave the bunnies alone to prep her just never seems to happen.

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I'm not at that stage yet but in all the time I've spent in Pyros soloing Challenge Logs I've only seen one serious attempt at spawning her. Two heatwaves and they still failed.

After spending a few weeks in Pyros, I can safely say that Eureka is very enjoyable again. They struck the right balance of grinding, rewards and risks in this part. It still sad though, because Pagos is still standing there like a wall. I climbed over that wall through sheer willpower, it wasn't fun but I made it over the wall that was Pagos.

Eureka went from being a lot of fun in Anemos to the misery of Pagos only to step into the light of Pyros. I believe Pagos needs more nerfs to get people into the final parts of Eureka. I have family and friends that are still unwilling to enter Eureka because of the shadows that Pagos cast, even though Pyros is much better.

Eureka desperately needs a level sync function where I can sync down to the level of my family and friends to help them catch up. The train in Anemos and Pyros can get around the lack of sync but Pagos... sigh... I know they are worried about rewards being abused by a sync and I understand that.

So how about this... give us a level sync system so we can help lower level players level up and the synced players will forgo any reward in exchange. I will willingly give up all rewards to help my family and friends level up, my reward is having my family and friends caught up with me.

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After spending a few weeks in Pyros, I can safely say that Eureka is very enjoyable again. They struck the right balance of grinding, rewards and risks in this part. It still sad though, because Pagos is still standing there like a wall. I clamed over that wall through sheer willpower, it wasn't fun but I made it over the wall that was Pagos.

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I started the Pagos grind a few days ago. It has definitely been a rough grind, but I've got about half the crystals I need and light is easy to farm via NMs so I get to kill 2 birds with one stone. I'm almost to lvl 34, and man...navigating that map is hell. Complete and total hell. I'm glad that the 32 Aetheryte is located next to the higher end spawns, that's for dang sure. I can't say it has been a hard grind, just super tedious. I don't envy those who came before or those who will come after I'm out of there. Pyros has been the one thing keeping me going, knowing it gets better.

Held-off on giving much of any Pyros feedback until I "finished" the Pyros relic step and been in there long enough to see the zone for the timesink trap it is. I've seen some (very few) people claim Pyros is worse than Pagos and I scoff at that notion. I also don't consider Pyros any worse than Anemos; Anemos was literally delegated to only being a glorified lobby of waiting around for the next NM to spawn unless you were one of the few bored souls not afk'ing and actively killing mobs ad nauseam. Anyway, here's my opinion/review/take on Pyros, I'll probably repeat points brought-up in this thread:


1) So you guys only like NMs eh? Here, do them until you're sick of them!
Somewhere between Anemos and Pagos (probably Pagos) the devs finally accepted the fact that NMs are pretty much the only thing players bother doing (like there's much of any alternative) as most players drop everything to get to a newly-spawned one. Whether they're mind-numbingly grinding trash mobs in the same spot for over an hour hoping to get a bar or two of light or more than a handful of heat/cold boxes or just doing something else less-boring and leaving their character afk at the main aetheryte with the map open, NMs are the lifeblood of this content; and why wouldn't they? They're FATEs. We have been conditioned to love and accept their prized FATE-system. The more we do them the more successful they seem.
But now players are practically forced to chase them around constantly so long as you're interested in upgrading relics.

As mentioned, you need 650 NM-tokens oops, Pyros crystals to get your relic to a step where you can even start putting stats on it and get that weapon-smothering glow. Trouble is, the NMs literally drip-feed you these crystals per kill. It says something when the Pazuzu/Louhi-level NM of the zone only gives you like 20 crystals per kill (and she hardly spawns compared to most others). Good thing all the NMs spawn quickly and aren't tied to highly-specific windows that could be hours apart. Oh, wait.

It never felt like collecting the crystals in Anemos and Pagos were prohibitive to progressing with my relics (I'm fairly sure you needed less and got more from NM kills). In Pyros, I hit level cap and made nearly every NM kill that was spawned in the process, but I was still short like 100 crystals. So there I was at level cap, and unable to start suffering through the light-farming step because now the new Eureka crystals are the designated gate of progressing relics.

2) We made Bunnies in Pagos! STOP IGNORING OUR BUNNIES! Take this-!
Not interested in glamour/cards/prohibitively-RNG-based-eyes-for-a-icecream-cone hat/whatever was in those chests from the hot/cold treasure maps Pagos bunnies? Yeah, seemed like most of the Pagos zone wasn't either. That's why most of the zone ignored those "Elemental conflicts" and just waited for "real" NMs to pop.

But we would suffer for our crimes. Most players weren't bothering with this layer of RNG for Eureka, so the only logical solution would be to make players see the fun in zerg-rushing NM-lite mobs and hoping that RNG actually gives them a bunny. And that bunny would lead them to a not-bronze chest. And that not-bronze chest would contain something they actually needed. How do you make players want to do this fun and exciting facet of Eureka? Why, by locking the new mount, hair, glamour and yes, even the ability to obtain "endgame" (lol) gear behind it; basically almost everything not-relic-related that comes from Pyros. Now, way more people in the zone are doing bunny FATEs- The content is a success now and everybody loves it! *Insert pun about dangling a carrot*

3) Pace Yourselves. Land of the R-N-Gee!
I think a lot of us understand that content needs some elements of RNG to have some degree of longevity. But by golly, Pyros must have needed all the help it could get because they slathered RNG on pretty much everything. You want an updated relic with decent-to-great stats? RNG. You want a silver/gold chest for the new shinies from Pyros? RNG. You want a bunny in an active zone to actually have a chance at those silver/gold chests? RNG. You looking for the items needed to add an extra Magia Board slot? Cassie-earrings-level RNG. What will your logograms be appraised as? RNG. Does your monster mutate/adapt? RNG. Did that killed mob give you light? RNG. It sure would be a shame if most of the rewards from tolerating all this RNG didn't have comparable ilvls to tomestone gear or lacked longevity before something better comes along.

4) It is more interesting than Pagos/Anemos.
It's more interesting. Not more fun (though even that doesn't say much). In my opinion, Pyros is what Anemos should have been, or at the very least what Pagos should have been. And I don't mean the things like 650-slow-to-collect crystals for relic or grinding mobs because relic light is drip-fed to players; I mean logos actions, the bunnies, everything. While logos actions are largely irrelevant outside of unlocking permission to start on the relic and meh-gear, they do provided options for much needed survivability to most jobs and utilities like any-job raising and movement speed/DPS increases. They're free to add these slightly "game-breaking" traits and abilities here because everything here seems like one giant test-study and largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things since it's isolated content. It's enough to give a small sense of potential for Eureka, but not enough to "save it" from it's drawbacks. The devs said these logos actions will be more important in the next additions. I am uneasy.

5) Final thoughts/misc.
Okay, for the many drawbacks I could find in Pyros, the devs did take some very selective "helpful" feedback about Anemos and Pagos. For one, the bunny FATEs give exp now... Which is nice at first before they eventually turn into like a two-centimeter difference on your exp gauge and you realize actual NMs are still the best. Honestly, I'm surprised bunny FATEs don't give some light yet.

The aetherytes are obviously more accessible and available in Pyros than in Pagos, which is a big help. However the devs still feel like players need to hit level cap as a rite to passage to be able to not die to whatever aggros you and trivialize most of that by just outrunning it on a mount. As much as I know people complain about it, being able to avoid aggro in sections just by toggling-off run is also better than being stuck because a cluster of mobs won't all turn around.

tldr:
1) NM-chasing is now a requirement and forced to do in large amounts to progress relic.
2) We ignored Bunnies too much in Pagos. So they forced it to be relevant for most rewards besides relic in some form, which creates a problem of-
3) RNG. The overuse of RNG speaks volumes about how shallow this zone is.
4) The logos system adds "more to do" and makes it slightly more interesting than the previous 2 zones.
5) The map/aetherytes/Bunny rewards are a slight improvement.

Again, I think Pyros is an improvement, but the devs have once again taken steps backwards in other areas of this Eureka zone. Most notably RNG, which has become such a crutch to hold people within this content that it's not even an issue about people being done with the zone within a week, but whether or not they'll even be ready to move-on by the next patch/Eureka zone. Unless you absolutely must-have the hairstyle or the hairy orange yeti as a mount (and can't buy them off the MB), nothing in this zone is worth the RNG-imposed time-gates they imposed on them.

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Again, I think Pyros is an improvement, but the devs have once again taken steps backwards in other areas of this Eureka zone. Most notably RNG, which has become such a crutch to hold people within this content that it's not even an issue about people being done with the zone within a week, but whether or not they'll even be ready to move-on by the next patch/Eureka zone. Unless you absolutely must-have the hairstyle or the hairy orange yeti as a mount (and can't buy them off the MB), nothing in this zone is worth the RNG-imposed time-gates they imposed on them.

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One thing I am very happy about is that you can use the market board to get around some really bad luck on the RNG side. Just cant get that one crystal to drop? Well, go buy it, well, buy a few and hope the final RNG lets you have the logos action you need. But still, placing things on the MB does help out a lot. I bought that one crystal that just wouldn't drop for me and I can help my friend with the crystals they need to finish their relic. Being able to help with their relic this way really makes me feel good. Any crystals that they don't need nor I, I sell on the MB for a profit. I am not worrying about saving crystals for the water zone because there probably going to shower us with them when we get there.

My relic is done and I'm still in Pyros having fun, helping a friend and grinding crystals to pay for my raiding supplies. If only I could skip the Pagos relic step for my other weapons.