SE, please designate a Role Play friendly server!

The RP community will probably have to stay a subcommunity within one of the 10 worlds. The RP community is entirely too small atm to be designated their own server.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

The RP community will probably have to stay a subcommunity within one of the 10 worlds. The RP community is entirely too small atm to be designated their own server.

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To briefly reiterate a point once more:

This thread is not demanding the RP community get a server all its own. It's asking the developers to officially suggest a server we ought be congregating on along with anyone else fancies playing there (and so that you lot 'don't like us terribly much know where you ought be avoiding, without having to bother looking it up as you do now).

Nobody in this thread wants a server to ourselves, as far as I can tell, but rather is asking for an official, permanent suggestion both to resolve the short term issue of potentially being split up by the server merge, and the long-term issue of disseminating to potential new roleplayers where to find people with similar interests now that the likelihood of the gaming media doing it for us as they did in the past is extremely low.

This is being asked now, size of the community (which is actually quite large, coherent and diverse compared to many larger pay-to-play MMOs I've tried to find roleplay on) aside, for the above reasons and also because Naoki Yoshida has said he recognises the need for such a server. This merge presents him with a very good opportunity to act on that recognition.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

The RP community will probably have to stay a subcommunity within one of the 10 worlds. The RP community is entirely too small atm to be designated their own server.

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To be honest the same could be said about the EU community but the suggestion for a server was made to help alleviate that problem. The EU community still has the option to congregate on whatever server they choose.

The concessions are being made for the reasons of language barriers and low population among those languages. I see nothing wrong with making a similar suggestion. I don't advocate an RP only server though, that would help no one.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

To be honest the same could be said about the EU community but the suggestion for a server was made to help alleviate that problem. The EU community still has the option to congregate on whatever server they choose.

The concessions are being made for the reasons of language barriers and low population among those languages. I see nothing wrong with making a similar suggestion. I don't advocate an RP only server though, that would help no one.

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The EU server was made not in interest of language barriers, but because of the unique time zone. Despite the early mistranslation, it is a time zone-specific server, not language-specific. Because there was a minority of them across all servers, it was substantially more difficult to find a group of people, of any subcategory (and speaking any language) willing to parcipate in events other than at weird hours of the morning or during work hours. This was because there are not enough of them to keep the population up across servers, and this merge is to increase the population of worlds.

The English-speaking RP community, however, plays at the same time as other time zones, and a server for RP would have practically no EU or JP players, and comparably few NA players. I'm sorry Fensfield, I'm sure there are a lot of you guys closer to GMT, but I just don't think an entire server is necessary or would flourish. I realize that some members of the RP and non-RP community prefer to ignore each other, but the efforts of both are of equal necessity for a world to flourish.

Sorry for the ninja edit, I hope it's not too late. :<

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Originally Posted by Mychael

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Just so as not to appear the un-sympathetic US-timezoner with the following..

I'm in England, and four of the seven people I roleplay with the most in FF XIV are from England as well >.>

Anyway, you are right that the RP community is somewhat skewed toward the US timezone, but insofar as that is true I can assure you, a lot of us EU-RP'ers are pretty used to accommodating the timezone preferences of US players when it comes to event scheduling and stuff =.= And a lot of us aren't native English speakers either - two of my closest friends in the RP community natively speak German (which itself seems to be a country with a remarkably large online interest in RP) and generally profess to preferring more people to play with over being able to play in their home language (heck, one of them hates playing in German).

Honestly I really don't know what to say about your argument though, Mychael. Compulsive need to assert my own timezone aside.. I'll leave that to the more informed and able or something. But I seriously doubt any possible RP server would see a complete dearth of non-American players and strongly suspect most non-American roleplayers would sooner go where the majority of RP'ers are, regardless of timezone.

Heck, judging from my own, admittedly limited experience, I'd also not be terribly surprised if the majority of EU roleplayers that don't speak English well enough to play in it would still prefer to go to the primary roleplay server rather than one supposedly for their timezone, if only on the off-chance they'd be more likely to meet people that speak their language and share their interest there, anyway.

I guess.. my point really is that this particular aspect of the argument is really all too vague and hard to judge to have awfully much bearing on the discussion, whether for or against. Thanks for being so nice about it though!

Thank you Oskar for posting this. Sorry to be late to the party but I just wanted to chime in with my own thoughts, which I'm sure mirror many of the views already posted. I think that a designated role-play "friendly" server would be a good thing and don't think it to be too unreasonable a request, particularly since Yoshi-P has already spoken on the matter. This also seems like a particularly opportune time to address this, what with the server merges set up to happen soon.

As has already been stated, I don't think anyone wants a "RP only" server, nor do I think anyone has any expectations that everyone on the server must role-play or anything like that. But having a little arrow or something to indicate to not only existing RPers but also those who might be interested in participating with us that X server has an established community of role-players would be valuable.

This works the other way as well. I know there are people who have particular notions about RPers - whether from stereotypes or from personal experiences - and feel negatively about joining such a server. While I agree with the sentiment that the vast majority of us as RPers tend to be pretty low-key and avoiding excessive use of /say and /emote in public areas, this is not always the case. People who are easily annoyed by this sort of thing can see that such-and-such a server has been designated as being friendly to RPers and may opt to choose another server instead, so as to avoid it.

This is a wonderful idea and I hope that it is given the consideration that it deserves.

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

This thread is not demanding the RP community get a server all its own.

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Actually, the problem is the fools here demanding that they do get a server all there own. Its an attept by a small section of the community who are anti-RPer for no distinct reason. At least they have provided no reason, other then that they hate them for playing differently then they do. I have yet to encounter anyone on besaid (having played there for quit some time myself) who had any issues with it. They are being borderline bigots, absolute sectarians, and appear to supremistically believe they are better then those who play differently. What those here who bash them blindly fail to compreend, is how they darken there own image to the community by blindly hating that group, and subsequently bashing them all over the forums.

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Originally Posted by Mychael

The EU server was made not in interest of language barriers, but because of the unique time zone. Despite the early mistranslation, it is a time zone-specific server, not language-specific.

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I am not so sure I buy that. If it were the case, they would chose to segregate the english speaking EU regions from the Americas english speaking community for the sake of time zones.

I for one work rotating swing shift. Thus, I play various hours, depending on what shift I am working. COnsequently, I play with alot of EU players in my LS who speak english, yet are in a completely diferent time zone. So the logic of seperating regions due to time ones vs. Language doesn't seem to be justified.

I'm sorry if I came off as rude to anyone outside of the US. :( The reason why I mentioned you specifically was because I know you are from England (or at least I knew you were somewhere in the European Union ;>) and didn't want to step on your toes by pretending I knew exactly how you felt. My intention was only partially trying to point out that an RP server would be skewed toward the US time zone. I also have no ability to predict what effect that would have on peoples' server choices.

The point I originally was trying to make was simply that the creation of a server recommended for a specific time zone didn't have any relevance to the argument of creating a server for a specific community; someone before me had attempted to justify an RP server because of the EU server's existence. What happened when I tried to write it out spun off in a different direction.

To try again, the Server 10 recommendation was, as far as I can tell, because there are so few players near GMT that they had to bend their hours to be able to have access to as much activity as the US or JP players had; whether or not you guys minded that is something I can't say, but I believe that SE's primary goal in this merge was to make sure there was always someone for everyone to play with.

The idea of a role-play server is a slightly different boat. In my experience, the Role-playing community on Besaid does not have a shortage of players to play with, unless they limit themselves to only playing with other RPers. And even then, the items and achievements of the non-RP community do somewhat affect the RP community. I somehow managed in that last post to get off onto the topic of one of my other posts, which was that I don't think the RP community is large enough to flourish without the help of non-RPers.

I also maintain one of my previous points, that I feel that whether it's a "suggestion" or an official label, there will be a large majority of non-RP players who avoid that server so long as SE recognizes it. While a lot of people will avoid the RPC's choice, that will most likely be viewed as a sub-community, much like it is now. If SE says anything at all regarding which server is the RP server, the community will begin to view it as a server dedicated to role-players. Then, even those who would happily co-exist with you and probably (possibly) make your world a better place will be deterred. I don't agree with this mindset, but I do believe it would emerge. Coincidentally, that's just a gut feeling, and may be far-fetched.

That said, I'm not able to say certainly whether an officially-recognized server is good or bad.. I just have a bad feeling about it.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

I am not so sure I buy that. If it were the case, they would chose to segregate the english speaking EU regions from the Americas english speaking community for the sake of time zones.

I for one work rotating swing shift. Thus, I play various hours, depending on what shift I am working. COnsequently, I play with alot of EU players in my LS who speak english, yet are in a completely diferent time zone. So the logic of seperating regions due to time ones vs. Language doesn't seem to be justified.

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I don't like the idea either. I can't claim to have "international" LSs, but one of mine does have an unusually high number of UK residents, and I play with them often as I have three mornings a week with no classes, but can't help waking up at 5am. I know that a lot of people from other time zones are up during a "EU peak time" as well, so I'm not sure the servers are "barren." Nonetheless, SE chose to correct the page to say "EU time zone" instead of "FR/GE players," so I have to assume that their goal was to have one server with a high population during that "peak," and let the rest suffer. I'm not sure that's a good idea either. I think I actually preferred the language grouping, but I'm just referring to what SE said and how I interpreted it. I'm probably wrong.

What I have been looking for on the side of FFXIV and FFXI is indeed a official roleplay server. I will admit im not in character often but I would be if that was the case. I do see that this would start out as a small community but I also see prospect for it as well. Roleplay in Besaid is dying.. I know many friends would disagree but half the RPC linkshells are gone and it is almost impossible to even find a ls that roleplays in linkshell anymore. I blame a lot of this on people quitting but mostly the harassment they get from the people in their non rp shells.

Have any of you played a MuD? A game like Lusternia for instance. right there. that's what I am looking for, but not as a text based game. I want a community to roleplay, I want people to log on out of character and be politely pm'ed that this is just how it goes. I am -dying- for a game that plays this way and in fairness games like lusternia did very well, and still do to a extent. You would be surprised how many non roleplayers get into this groove on games like that. people who never thought about it love it and do it fairly often. Final fantasy's have always been my favorite genre of games and I seriously think they could pull of something like this, bring the world of MuD roleplay to a MMO standard better then anyone else could. That is the game im looking for.

I agree with Kyri, right now my one and only rp shell has been dead now for a couple of months and would like to get a new shell. With the merges this may be put off further. Having a server designated at least as rp friendly would help bring players together. Also it would be easier for us new to rp and considered as "light" rpers have an easier time trying to find like minded people. Also as has been said before, those who have an open hostility towards those who like rp, know what server to avoid, which is something both sides of the issue would prefer I think :p

I fully support this thread. I strongly believe that there is a need for SE to officially designate a roleplay-friendly server.

FFXIV's roleplay community is made up of an established and loyal customer base. They enjoy an additional aspect of the game via player-created story. This sandbox element isn't dependent upon a steady stream of new content (which benefits the devs), and it breathes life into their surroundings (which benefits the local community). But this is dependent upon one crucial factor, and that is like-minded individuals being able to come together in one place.

Why do we need SE's help to do this?

For Roleplayers:
While current players may have the knowledge that Besaid has been established as the unofficial RP server, new players should not be expected to know this. Though that knowledge made front-page news during the hype of launch, it has since fallen quiet. Plus, if SE goes ahead with their original plan to force everyone to choose a new and anonymously numbered server this March, the new RP hub may not even be called Besaid. New players who actually take the time to research and read the old news may choose Besaid in error. This could be avoided if a server was designated in-game as RP-friendly during the server selection screen.

For The Roleplay-Friendly:
Believe it or not, there are many people who don't actively roleplay themselves, but still enjoy playing on roleplay servers. They choose RP servers due to the fact they generally tend to foster a more friendly, helpful and mature community. Plus, many say that roleplay is fun to witness, even if they do not actively participate, because it adds extra flavor and life to their game environment. Again, designating a server RP-friendly would help these people find the enjoyable experience and atmosphere they're looking for.

For The Non-Roleplayers:
There are those who do not wish to be exposed to roleplay in any way, shape or form.

If you've spent any reasonable amount of time playing on Besaid, you will know of at least one story like this one: One night I wandered into Ul'dah to hear someone going on in /shouts in a very annoyed tone, wanting to know what was up with all the roleplay on the server. This was met with the response that Besaid was the RP server, and that they should expect to run into it from time to time. This person was genuinely surprised and even angry to learn this. They said they would have NEVER created their character on Besaid had they known!

These are the people that will most likely not research server types, and will be most surprised to find themselves unknowingly on a RP server. If this information was made available at the server selection screen, those who do not enjoy roleplay would know which server to avoid.

If nothing else, I would repeat the quote from last October's Eorzepedia interview where Yoshi-P recognized the need for a designated roleplay server:

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GamerEscape: You told Famitsu that you are thinking about making new servers focused on different languages. Are there any plans to designate roleplay servers? I know the players on Besaid would love to be officially recognized as an RP server.

Yoshida: We do recognize a need to set up a designated roleplaying world. We will look into this in a proactive manner!

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French/German speaking players are being granted an officially recommended server so their community has the opportunity to congregate in one place. This is only asking for the same thing. And now is the perfect time to provide it.

I support an officially recognized roleplay-friendly server!

Rowyne, thank you for gathering everything up into a calm, well written, well sourced post.

I'll never fully understand the hate against rpers, but that's people's choice and their right. I fully support the idea of a world being marked as RP friendly, and greatly hope to hear a response from a Community rep, or from Yoshi-p himself via a community rep.

We don't want to be on a server all on our own, not the point at all, as pointed out. We just want a place that rpers can easily recognise as the place where they'll find more of us. It's a community building thing more than an 'we want our cool club' thing.

Right now, even with besaid as the unofficial server, i know people spread over different servers who didn't know that, but have put in too much time to switch over now. And have small rp communities of their own over on their respective worlds. I'd love for them to be able to come together too.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I fully support this thread. I strongly believe that there is a need for SE to officially designate a roleplay-friendly server.

FFXIV's roleplay community is made up of an established and loyal customer base. They enjoy an additional aspect of the game via player-created story. This sandbox element isn't dependent upon a steady stream of new content (which benefits the devs), and it breathes life into their surroundings (which benefits the local community). But this is dependent upon one crucial factor, and that is like-minded individuals being able to come together in one place.

Why do we need SE's help to do this?

For Roleplayers:
While current players may have the knowledge that Besaid has been established as the unofficial RP server, new players should not be expected to know this. Though that knowledge made front-page news during the hype of launch, it has since fallen quiet. Plus, if SE goes ahead with their original plan to force everyone to choose a new and anonymously numbered server this March, the new RP hub may not even be called Besaid. New players who actually take the time to research and read the old news may choose Besaid in error. This could be avoided if a server was designated in-game as RP-friendly during the server selection screen.

For The Roleplay-Friendly:
Believe it or not, there are many people who don't actively roleplay themselves, but still enjoy playing on roleplay servers. They choose RP servers due to the fact they generally tend to foster a more friendly, helpful and mature community. Plus, many say that roleplay is fun to witness, even if they do not actively participate, because it adds extra flavor and life to their game environment. Again, designating a server RP-friendly would help these people find the enjoyable experience and atmosphere they're looking for.

For The Non-Roleplayers:
There are those who do not wish to be exposed to roleplay in any way, shape or form.

If you've spent any reasonable amount of time playing on Besaid, you will know of at least one story like this one: One night I wandered into Ul'dah to hear someone going on in /shouts in a very annoyed tone, wanting to know what was up with all the roleplay on the server. This was met with the response that Besaid was the RP server, and that they should expect to run into it from time to time. This person was genuinely surprised and even angry to learn this. They said they would have NEVER created their character on Besaid had they known!

These are the people that will most likely not research server types, and will be most surprised to find themselves unknowingly on a RP server. If this information was made available at the server selection screen, those who do not enjoy roleplay would know which server to avoid.

If nothing else, I would repeat the quote from last October's Eorzepedia interview where Yoshi-P recognized the need for a designated roleplay server:



French/German speaking players are being granted an officially recommended server so their community has the opportunity to congregate in one place. This is only asking for the same thing. And now is the perfect time to provide it.

I support an officially recognized roleplay-friendly server!

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As usual with Rowyne's posts, I'm in complete agreement. She explained it even better than I could. The logic is rock solid to the point where not officially suggesting a roleplay server at least at some point in the game's life cycle could only be summed up as just plain ignorant.

From a technical perspective I couldn't think of an easier thing to do. It really is just as simple, at least this time around, translating and editing some text into currently existing HTML.

[*suggested Role Play server]

I've already got 1/4 of the work done. Just copy and paste that. I would attempt to translate it but that's a bit too much work for me (lol).

Including it on the server selection screen is another thing. I'd imagine it wouldn't be that much more difficult. Such a simple change that would help so many people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrUOlK2714

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

For The Non-Roleplayers:
There are those who do not wish to be exposed to roleplay in any way, shape or form.

If you've spent any reasonable amount of time playing on Besaid, you will know of at least one story like this one: One night I wandered into Ul'dah to hear someone going on in /shouts in a very annoyed tone, wanting to know what was up with all the roleplay on the server. This was met with the response that Besaid was the RP server, and that they should expect to run into it from time to time. This person was genuinely surprised and even angry to learn this. They said they would have NEVER created their character on Besaid had they known!

These are the people that will most likely not research server types, and will be most surprised to find themselves unknowingly on a RP server. If this information was made available at the server selection screen, those who do not enjoy roleplay would know which server to avoid.

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This. As someone who loathes RP, I agree 100%. At risk of people bawww'ing about turning the game more into WoW, if I recall they have RP servers clearly marked on the list when making a character, and I dodged them very heartily.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

Rowyne, thank you for gathering everything up into a calm, well written, well sourced post.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

As usual with Rowyne's posts, I'm in complete agreement. She explained it even better than I could. The logic is rock solid to the point where not officially suggesting a roleplay server at least at some point in the game's life cycle could only be summed up as just plain ignorant.

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Aww, thanks! :D I just hope it helps to get the devs attention.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

We don't want to be on a server all on our own, not the point at all, as pointed out. We just want a place that rpers can easily recognise as the place where they'll find more of us. It's a community building thing more than an 'we want our cool club' thing.

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Absolutely. I don't think anyone is saying that there should be a RP server that's exclusively for RPers only, where you are required to be in character all the time. Nothing like that. Just a place where those who wish to RP can find others they can engage in that activity with. To do so, it is necessary for them to have a hub. Plus, in many MMOs that officially designate RP servers, you'll find many people who play on them who say, "Oh, I don't really RP all that much, but I like being on RP servers." For many, it's just an enjoyable atmosphere and you'll tend to find like-minded people who are generally more into quests, story, lore, etc, so it may also help you find a good match for your playstyle. It's an environment that offers a more immersive experience to anyone who chooses to take advantage of it. Again, you don't have to be a RPer, but you should expect that while playing on a RP server you will run into it from time to time.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

Right now, even with besaid as the unofficial server, i know people spread over different servers who didn't know that, but have put in too much time to switch over now. And have small rp communities of their own over on their respective worlds. I'd love for them to be able to come together too.

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Very good point! I wish I had stated that in my original post. I had suspected that there were RPers that got scattered across the servers, despite the fact that, for most, it's common knowledge that Besaid is the unofficial RP server. Still, there's no way to really know that for a new player when creating your character.

This is what I'm hoping will happen: Yoshi-P goes with server merge idea ②, and Besaid is pronounced the official RP server ahead of time. This will give current Besaid residents (and those who will be merged into the server) an informed decision of whether or not they wish to stay, plus give RPers on other servers a chance to come join us!

Thanks for bringing it back around Rowyne!

SE, still need a response!

could maybe see about trying out a pvp server something like wow where ur only safe in ur town...

i would love to go out see my mate cutting down a tree and go hi man what's up BOOM "Dead" :D tehe and run away laughing be gd times but we will see what happen's

I don't see him making a PVP server mainly because it prob wouldnt work to well with the game itselfs but all we can do is wait and see what happens.

That's cool but I don't see much RP for one. RP server needs world RP.

Unfortunately the number of active RPers has dwindled, just like the number of players overall - hence the serverpocallipse in the first place. Then there are some who prefer NOT to RP publicly (or avoid it best they can). That's probably why you can't see it currently on the unofficial RP server. But, this isn't on an RP server, there /is/ no RP server currently, only the unofficial one, which is kind of a major oversight on SE's part from the get go since every major MMO nowadays has an RP server, if not a handful!

However with the little RP tag next to the new server, we would get an influx of RPers from other servers, and just general excitement from the community. I bet you will see a lot more of it once we actually have that official recognition.

Merely suggesting one server to be "RP Friendly" would ultimately translate to an RP server to most players when choosing a server. You might as well call it an RP server. As I'm sure many NA/SA players will be sure to avoid server 10 as it's suggested membership goes against their interests.

I'm sure you've taken this into consideration as a valid point in opposition. Not exactly trying to deter the RP community. I actually quite like a bit of light RPing when playing the game myself. Hardly enough to think of myself as part of that community. However, I understand it's place in the MMO world especially structured in a PvE environment. This could be a way in for you while the development got knocked down over the incredibly unintelligent final decision made regarding server merges. Unlikely though.

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Originally Posted by OskarHelvig

Well you have to understand that we are not demanding something which hasn't already been done. World 10 has been designated as a hub for German/French players. Will that deminish the world population? If so, why would SE do that when trying merge servers? Same questions you asked can be applied there.

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Read the merge news again. It say EU server, not Ger/FR server.

Honestly all this whining about how the Role Players are the root of all Evil and need to be avoided like the plague is either trolling or completely ridiculous. The only good it has done anyone is to give this thread momentum in better hopes of being noticed by the Dev's.

1) Role Players are no different than average players. They like to progress through the game, they like to participate in raids and end game content

2) MOST Besaid role players do NOT SPAM chat around openly irritating anyone at all. In fact MOST screen spam you DO see comes from annoying Emote spam and shout spam caused by causal players not Role Player

3) If you are devoting so much time and energy into hating a particular group of people for no good reason...you are a sad sad individual who needs a hobby.

MMO Role Players are a harmless part of the gaming community, all this hate is completely pointless and ridiculous.

Now that I have that out of the way.

I fully support a Clearly labeled Role Playing Server ^_^

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Read the merge news again. It say EU server, not Ger/FR server.

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This is a bit beside the point, but...

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New World 10 is recommended for players in EU regions, particularly French and German players.

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From the announcement.

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FFXIV's roleplay community is made up of an established and loyal customer base.

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I'm not a hardcore Roleplayer and I've supported Square and Enix since the 80s and Eidos since the 90s.

I support this thread... the RPers need a SE designated place to go so all the normal people can know to avoid said server like the bubonic plague.

Hey look, someone with a Japanesey sounding name who's not actually Japanese... DEAR GOD A WEABOO! GET IT AWAY!

There we go. Arbitrary, pointless hate for everyone! Let it never be said I'm not an equal opportunity bigot!

(See how silly this sounds?)

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

I support this thread... the RPers need a SE designated place to go so all the normal people can know to avoid said server like the bubonic plague.

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Haters gonna hate I guess

It just needs to stay unofficial and the RP community should plan where they stay. Any suggested server by SE for a specific type of player will still read as a definitive RP server. Those who do not enjoy it and just want people to be themselves while they are grouped up or whatever other instance will not want to give themselves the chance to be put into that position.

Again, as I'm sure most people who are in NA/SA/JP will be staying away from the suggested EU server. As most cases it would result in being in a totally undesirable time zone (to them).

People organizing themselves into servers by timezone or interest is not segregation. I assume that is what you are referring to based on the last few posts. But to apply legality to it is reaching for something that isn't there.

Everyone's got their reasons for wanting to be on a certain server. The RPers desire to be together for their reasons, just like everyone else. Furthermore every other group in the community beaides the NAs (who are generally moving to "preserve their servers") is organizing onto one or two servers to be able to play together. Just look all over this forum... Spanish have a poll, gmt+8 have their own topic, and the JPs also have a poll up. Are you gonna accuse all of them of supporting segregation when to them organizing by timezone is actually just common sense?

Think really hard about that.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

The RPers desire to be together for their reasons, just like everyone else.

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thats a load of crap. there are several posters here attepting to officially attept to herd, manage, or push RPer's to a segregated server. No concversational majority here is of the RPer's asking for there own server, it is alot of posters attempting to force them to one.

As far as the spanish support thread goes. I was under the impression that spanish speaking posters were asking about having a spanich forums area as to allow them to have more partisiparion n discussion.

Here you are implying that is comparable to clearly expressing that a group should be forced to one server as Brigandier has suggested. The two are of no coparison.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

People organizing themselves into servers by timezone or interest is not segregation.

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There is a huge difference between people segregating themselves and page upon page of posters demanding that they be segregated from them.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

I assume that is what you are referring to based on the last few posts.

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WHy would you illogically assume to compare my reference to posters demanding Rper segregation on a differenct server to the spanish speaking community asking foe a spanish section in the forums?

Because I was not referring to them asking for their own forum. They are, in fact, voting on a destination server via poll.

Also it's neither here nor there where naysayers want the RPers to go. It is up to the RPers alone to determine that. More power to them if they ignore the people trying to avoid them. They pay the sub fee like everyone else and can do what they want.

Edit; it seems we agree on many things actually. My brain is mixing pages/posts from this one with the other of similar name. My apologies for the confusion!

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

We're not asking for segregation, we're asking for organization.

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Well, by definition:

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seg·re·ga·tion/ˌsegriˈgāSHən/
Noun:

The action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart.

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Technically you are asking for it, since "organization of people"...is segregation lol. It doesn't always have to be linked to the negative connotation of it (forced.)

Here's my suggestion:

World 1: RP Server
World 2: /say RP Server
World 3: JP Onry Server
World 4: English Only Server
World 5: Kitty Server
World 6: Prissy Mage Server
World 7: White Knight Server
World 8: AFK Active Mode Server
World 9: Bot / Gilfarmer Server
World 10: EU Server

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Well, by definition:



Technically you are asking for it, since "organization of people"...is segregation lol. It doesn't always have to be linked to the negative connotation of it (forced.)

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She's actually technically not. I have yet to see someone make an "RP only server" suggestion let alone Rowyne, just an "RP suggested server". That would not keep non RPers away from that server. It's literally not segregation.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

What the hell was I hating!?

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Well you are supporting pushing them a segregated server. You really think I care if I am blacklisted by someone who is participating in an attept to have a group segregated? I could care less for why you want it. Also, I sure as heck havn't seen you make any attpt what so ever to seperate yourself from those who claim to "hate RPer's".

What is also interesting is how you make a dirct racial reference of hate in the south. Then go on to claim to have no hate to RPer's. No one here is making a comparison to racism but you. Do these comparisons you brought up say something about where you stand?

Personally, I have dificulty comprehending why anyone cares about how someone else plays there game, when they play the same fee as you. I beleive its pretty darn bold to assume you have a right to post where or how anyone should play.

Nice try to attept to turn it on me because I spoke out against your and others repeatative post to segregate a group of players who have no real effect on you in any way shape or form, other then the fact that they communicate in different terms.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

She's actually technically not. I have yet to see someone make an "RP only server" suggestion let alone Rowyne, just an "RP suggested server". That would not keep non RPers away from that server. It's literally not segregation.

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Umm, then you havn't read 90% of the thread then.

9th post in this thread initiated an anti RP direction.

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Originally Posted by Brigandier

I voted for OP's post. Not because I support RPers, but because I support congregating as many of them away from me as possible.

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Begining of 2nd page

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Originally Posted by OskarHelvig

I don't quite understand why we do not need a designated RP server

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Originally Posted by Brigandier

Bawwww more. I'm not trying to cater to any of you RPers because I consider the whole lot deviants, I was just driving home the point that if it weren't for your "extreme /say RPers" I wouldn't even know you exist.

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Originally Posted by Brigandier

This. As someone who loathes RP, I agree 100%. At risk of people bawww'ing about turning the game more into WoW, if I recall they have RP servers clearly marked on the list when making a character, and I dodged them very heartily.

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So yeah its been suggested.

Brigandier hates RPers in his own words, so I am not sure bringing him up really delivers your point. If you read the OP, it's clear what we want from SE, if you read the rest of the thread too, it's stated again and again, that we're not asking for a RP only server. You ignore ALL the times "RP-friendly" or "RP suggested" was brought up, and pull the ONE time I used short hand, isolated with no context of the post, out to prove some point? Trolololol.

SE, please give us an answer soon - I don't know how much longer I can stand these haters!

But if anything I hope they see what RPers often deal with. Note how many people who clearly hate RP for whatever reason are FROM the unofficial RP server. You guys are awesome at proving our own point! The unofficial RP server clearly has a bunch of players livid at other players because they spend their time doing different things. Does SE want to foster that environment? Doubt it. Will a Role Play friendly server help? Maybe not solve the issue but certainly help, I think.


EDIT: Oh and, we say RP-friendly just for clarity. It's perfectly FINE to say RP server, because an average gamer should know that there is no way to regulate a server to have ONLY RPers, and nearly every other MMO has RP servers (which it calls that way).

Any argument which is supported solely by semantics isn't a meaningful debate, it's just squabbling. Define your terms before you throw the weight of righteous indignation behind them, and recognize the connotations of the terms you choose before you get offended when people pick up on them. That is all.

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Originally Posted by OskarHelvig

Brigandier hates RPers in his own words, so I am not sure bringing him up really delivers your point. If you read the OP, it's clear what we want from SE, if you read the rest of the thread too, it's stated again and again, that we're not asking for a RP only server. You ignore ALL the times "RP-friendly" or "RP suggested" was brought up, and pull the ONE time I used short hand, isolated with no context of the post, out to prove some point?

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I take no issue with the OP. My issue is with those pushing for RPer's to be segretgated. Only quotes I made for my point was when it was specifically said by a poster that they see no one pushing to have them segregated. Your saying that the 4 post I quoted do display the fact that there are posters on this thread asking for them to be segregated?

I am not sure why you decided to make false assumptions that I take any issue with the RPer's who want to congregate to a server in order to play with like minded people. My issue is with the few that are openly bashing them and pushing for them to be segregated.

It's like he posts with /names off