An NPC you truly hate with passion

..... "Any" enemy NPC of which who I have just thoroughly trounced who then gives a drawn out monolog of why they were such a bad person and how even though I beat them squarely, they will then stand up, give a "You haven't seen the last of me" speech, and then run off.....

I want to put an arrow between their eyes at their second "<pant>" while they are still on their knee and be rid of them!!!!!! :mad:


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Alphinaud.

Minfilia.

She brings nothing to the table in lines of fighting. She is a poor leader. She is a liability getting captured so many times. And she specifically says she doesn't want to go into y'stola's light then later retorts saying she is more than happy to have done it.

If Yotsuyu is as braindead as she appears to be in the patch trailer, she is likely to knock Minfilia out of the top spot for me. She was a decent enough villain (better than Zenos at least) even if she did have the clichéd oh-so-tragic-backstory excuse, but amnesia is such a cheap, over-used plot device I despise it on principle. And, from the bit of it we've glimpsed so far, it doesn't seem to be implemented in this case in such a way to make me change my mind about it.

I'm trying to reserve judgement on Lyse until her story arc finishes, but she's definitely my least-liked NPC right now. I'm a fan of wide-eyed optimists getting a little tempered by reality but so far Lyse gets rewarded for her innocent "POWER OF FRIENDSHIP FOR VICTORY!!" ideals far more often than she's left with food for thought. I don't want to see her broken by a cruel world like Yotsuyu was, but you can't lead a nation out of rebellion and into stability with vague platitudes of love and acceptance for all - enemies included. Hopefully this gets addressed in the MSQ and she grows to be a better person for having to confront her shortcomings, like Alphinaud did. The populace of Ala Mhigo certainly seem upset and unsure of what she's doing and only The Bull can get them to disperse right now. Hopefully Lyse can earn their trust with her own actions and words one day. And my good-will as well.

Also, gotta whole-heartedly agree with Rymm above me- crappy amnesia to total character redemption gambits belong in soap operas. Yotsusyu could have been interesting if her arc was something more along the lines of learning to forgive, and eventually, atone... but I guess only Fordola's allowed to do that. Instead it looks like we're going to get some horrible arc involving everyone forgiving a woman who's no longer herself. Amnesia doesn't even work that way, people! It's cheap and lazy writing, in my opinion. I hope I get pleasantly surprised and will so refrain from judgement. But I'd rather have her stay dead, even if it meant Gosetsu couldn't come back. (His sacrifice might have more weight if that had been the case as well, but that's neither here nor there.)

Since Lyse and Yotsuyu are technically still pending I'm going to have to go on record of saying I strongly dislike Y'shtola. I have no idea why people like her unless they're really into Mysterious Woman character archetypes. She's boring, uninspiring, and the only thing I've ever agreed with her on was when she called Lyse out on gathering up a bunch of tired and wounded Scions for a meeting that didn't have to happen. I could easily do with seeing less of her, far less. SB was a blessing in that regard- since the Scions got taken out early, I didn't have to deal with her making vague statements and killing any opportunity for levity at every turn. As annoying as Lyse's naivete and fist clenching was, at least it was a different kind of irritation from the kind that Y'shtola brings to the proceedings.

Lyse and Minfilia.

I don't know if I hate any of them with passion.

But if I had to pick ones that do aggravate me.

Lyse - too childish and without Papalymo to tell her when she's being wrong it feels like everyone else is kind of coddling her ideals. I preferred her as Yda that's for sure.
New Yotsuyu - Amnesia? Really...ugh. I enjoyed her as a villain and thought her "death" was a really good ending for her, having bet on something she couldn't fully control and losing. Her "end" was both epic and not epic because she wasn't a boss fight. This fit her so much because she came to rise by circumstance and manipulation rather than through her own force. It was so fitting.... Maybe it's not even the amnesia that bothers me, just ruining an ending that fit her character so well.

I never understood the love for Y'shtola as I felt she was bland and didn't usually bring much interesting insight to anything, instead repeating or reiterating, very much like Minfillia just without the smiliness, but neither one of them annoyed me. They were just "there". Y'shtola did get a bit better in HW and I'm hoping she'll get off the "meh" list someday if they bring her back in the spotlight with a really good arc.

Then there are characters I didn't like but grew to like as they grew, like Alphinaud and Alisaie.

Hate? None. But I'm tired of The Ascians. Their plot has been dragging out for so long I don't care anymore.

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Any of the goblins.

Any of them.

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FINALLY ! I thought I was the only one who hated these guys. Plus they dare inhabit the body of Alexander, aka the best summon in the FF series.

Other than that I wouldn't say I hate her but I couldn't care less about Lyse. Her revelation about impersonating her sister came out of nowhere and was just random. I mean what was the point of all this stuff about her dead sister ? And then afterwards she became a beyond average character.
She was more fun and interesting as Yde and with Papalymo.

Also Minfilia : "Do this, do that while I stay here and do nothing. Also bye b*tches I'm a crystal now lol."

For me it's Yotsuyu and Fordola because they were evil as Hell and are given a story to have us forgive them for their truly evil actions. I do not want to forgive them. I want their heads on a pike! Please let me kill them!

I had the same feeling for Laurentius. Then we forgave him and look what happened. Traitorous bastard needed to die.

They did a similar thing with Ysayle and made us forgive her, now she's beloved. I hate this trope. Stop using it. Let me kill Fordola & Yotsuyu!

Well here's a thread for when you really have to reach in order to find a source for your butthurt.

For the record my favorite characters throughout this 90s-D&D-paperback-grade fantasy adventure story are all of the ones mentioned here.

I don't hate any NPC per say, but the bottom of my favorite list is definitely Minfilia and Lahabrea. That guy was like saturday morning cartoon villain. "I see you passed this long tedious dungeon, it will be a shame if someone happened to summon a big buff monster for you the fight now...." Admittedly, I kind of wish there was more to him than being a nuisance. He was like our bad guy and we didn't even get the final kill on him. I can't get over that!
Minfilia I was indifferent towards, until she did nothing to save or even stop Moenbryda. She just stood there and that was my final drop. I don't miss her even one bit.

Yotsuyu. Her arc is done, there is no reason for her to not be dead. I struggle to imagine anything they do with her will be better than just having her have died in the collapse. Even if she serves as character development for other characters, that could have been done in other more satisfying ways, I'm sure. Nevermind that, as many have said, amnesia is unpalatable after so much use and abuse. If they want to redeem Fordola, its cringey and probably largely inappropriate, but fine. But Yotsuyu needs no redemption. She lived for the thrill of vengeance on her own, no perception of a just cause, only fulfilling selfish hate. Some times people are evil and need to pay for their crimes, whether their life was crappy or not.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

Can I go with 'noone'?

I'mma go with none.

Maybe, Minfillia, I think she's lame. But 'truly hate with passion'? Sheesh.

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Same here, minus the mention of Minfillia in there. In fact, I'm resisting the urge to vent about how Minfillia gets WAAAAYYYY too much flack then she actually deserves here, along with how Lyse seems to be the most recent example of a character getting more flack then she actually deserves. Alphinaud too apparently. But I already know full well what would happen if I dare to try and defend them. And besides, the thread is about stating what characters we don't like anyway. So imma just let it all slide here in this thread. :cool:

While I don't "truly hate with passion' for any of the characters, there are those that I dislike, just like any other piece of fictional work. (In my eyes, every story needs some characters that you end up disliking/hating during the events of said stories. You wouldn't have much of a story otherwise, IMO) The following characters I'm about to list are the only ones that came truly close to me wanting to smash their faces in:

1: Basically the entire Garlean Empire. But more specifically... Gaius, Livia, and Zenos. Interestingly, the empire in FFXV actually succeeds in making the empire here in FFXIV look peaceful by comparison. But it's still no excuse for what the empire does here in this game.

2: Pawah Mujuuk from the Archer quest line. Arguably the ONLY cat girl character so far I've seen in all pieces of fictional work I've seen that I wanted to strangle to death instead of help. As I may sometimes even say to my friends via party and FC chat while I'm off killing said poacher Miqo'te in the Shroud... "They're an embarrassment to my own kind!" She more or less meets her end though.

3: The Ascians. Do I need to explain why?

4: Yotsuyu. I think it's clear why people hate her, given the things she does. Depending on where things go for her in the future patches though, she may or may not get removed from my list. Her fate remains to be seen.

5: Laurentius. That constant back-stabber had it coming.

6: Illberd. For being a fanatic traitor who got a lot of his people slaughtered and for bringing about a primal. Bonus points on the fact that he took one of Raubahns arms.

7: Emmanellain. (Mouthful of a name. Had to look up how to spell it correctly, lol) The one rare example of a character on our side. Thancred thankfully already did what I felt needed to be done though. And it seems to have sit with him too, if the ending of Heavensward is anything to go by. He aims to become a better person at the end of it all.

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Top spot would have to be Thancred, though I fear Estinien is going to be up there soon too. They wre nothing more than broken men serving as plot devices to “save the day” with only a fig leaf of explanation of how they got there, if that. The scene what garlean soldiers fire on estinien while he just sits there to no effect, or thancred casually uppercutting a cyclops, basically says every reason I want them to die.

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Glad I'm not the only one who dislikes Thancred.

Goblins and the Namazu. I can't stand them. Especially so-called Goblin architecture... it's hideous.

I do not like Y'shtola, but I don't truly despise her (not yet at least.) The old Alphinaud was definitely on the list, but he's moved on to neutral.

If this topic had been about any character, I would've listed the Warrior of Light...

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The entire cast of Harry Potter and the Scholasticate's Stone, including Inspector Briarden. I mean, I get you want to do a homage to them via the Scholasticate quest, but good lord. And Briarden was the most annoying character in Hildebrand quests, why do we need more of him?

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Becouse people like me actually like him lol

Jacke of the rogues guild... trying to read his dialogue was painful...

Marcette Manne - I thought there'd be something redeeming about her by the final side quest but no, she's just an evil jerk. Oh, how I wish I can kick her giraffe neck ass over the wooden railing and into the pit.

Briarden is just anime glasses guy. He's literally the same stereotype when any male character with glasses in anime shows up, right down to adjusting them on cue. The only difference is he has long white hair rather than short black. He's annoying because he is so much of a trope, without anything to really redeem him in the same way other "foil" characters do. He's offscreen half the time for the scholasticate quest and doesn't even help you, he just comes in and sums up what you have learned while you are helping harry and ron try and save draco.

I don't even dislike minfillia as much. Min was more of a realistic leader than people give credit for; her only power was her echo, and she did what leaders actually do, guide and delegate. Ppl assume leading is like James Kirk, the boss just goes down and bashes the lizardmen, but thats not how it works. If anything Alphinaud was more unrealistic; he's the heir to a powerful family, and he's spending 85% of his time with you.

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Jacke of the rogues guild... trying to read his dialogue was painful...

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Um, that's like for every person that lives in Limsa Lominsa except for their leader and her right hand man. The pirate language is strong! AARRRRRRRRRR!!!! XD

Alphinaud and Lyse
They are both really annoying, I don't want either of them accompanying me anywhere anymore.

Jacke is the best and it's not anyone's fault but yours you can't figure out slang through context.

I miss Lahabrea. He was such a Team Rocket.

I love Jacke and I want a minion of him. Sometimes I have NO clue what he's saying, but it's still so cool to hear(see, whatever).

There's no real NPC I would say I "hate with the undying passion of a pulsar star" but I must say Lyse isn't exactly my cup of tea. She was so confident and funny as Y'da; then take the mask off and she's nothing but doubt and worry.

Minfilia ... so glad we're done with her

Zenos because he's a very well written villain and he knew how to get you to hate him.

Wait, I think I just contradicted myself. Oh well. Great villain still.

Zhloe and Khloe encapsulate everything I despise about this game. I'm sorta indifferent to M'Nhaago because it feels like they at least tried to write more for her than "omg kawaii catgirl," but either way, she's infinitely more tolerable than the other two. SE just has the obession where every notable female character has to be waifu bait of some kind or else they get the axe.

Minfilla
Alisae
Nanamo
Krile
Lyse
Y'Shtola
Yotsuyu
Every female NPC to appear to in a job/class quest
Rowena
Hilda
Kan-E-Sanna
Nashu
Yugiri
Jessie

Lucia and Fordola are the only notable exceptions, but one, despite being the right hand to one of the central characters of Heavensward is given very little screen time and the other is raising death flags left and right. IMO, it's only a matter of time before SE finds an excuse to kill Fordola. Merlwyb is an exception too to be fair, but SE likes to pretend she doesn't exist.

But I digress, let's list at the non-cutesy characters shall we? Ysayle and Moenbryda. Go ahead and guess what these two have in common.

Meanwhile, let's look at the wide variety of notable men:

Alphinaud
Ayermeric
Haurchefant
Papalymo
Raubahn
Hien
Gaius
Zenos
Lahabrea
Hildibrand
Gosetsu
Godbert
Ilberd
Cid
Nero
Gerolt
Biggs
Wedge
Urianger
All the men who appear in job/class quests

Do you see where I'm going with this? SE's design philosophy when it comes to nearly all the women in the story/sidequests is that "if we can't put you on a body pillow, we don't want you around that much." And like no where is that more evident than with Khloe and Zhloe where their entire purpose is to stand there and look cute. That's why I hate them. SE will give you all sorts of men with a wide range of personalities and body types. But the ladies? No admission if you're over 6ft or have noticeable muscles. Sorry, SE doesn't want you around. Y'sthola is brought back from the dead and almost cut in half which injures her so greatly she doesn't show up for the rest of SB. She's still around though.. Ysayle and Moebryde though? Naaah, not cute enough, murder 'em.

...but here take these two catgirls because omg they're sooo cute and sooo hilarious and omggggg.

People hating the Goblins and I think they're adorable. I wish I had one as a minion.

The sylphs really drove me mad doing the quest, then having to do the beast tribe when I did them I would have too space out my time doing them or I throw my controller out the window >.>

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People hating the Goblins and I think they're adorable. I wish I had one as a minion.

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You might be able to buy one from Jonathas (?) with achievement points.

Aymeric th- wait, no, I love Aymeric. It's that little tumor that hangs around him all the time rubbernecking that gets my goat. What was its name... Lucia I think it was.

Alphinaud and Alisae get close second billing during most of ARR and HW, but at least they got better in SB.

Minfillia is always going to be a low-level simmering hatesink for me.

Lyse - she started out strong...but then she started all that talk about HER homeland, and pushing her beliefs on the Ala Mihgans who have suffered under Imperial rule. Several times I wanted to reach into my screen and slap some sense into her.

Conrad himself warned her especially of the children, those who knew nothing but the Garlean occupation. Those would be the toughest to deal with--yet there Lyse is, mouthing off to Fordola "You don't get to talk about freedom!!!! MONSTER!!!!" (note: I don't condone what Fordola did either, but I CAN see the mindset that forced her to take this position, especially from the flashbacks in 4.1). I don't feel Lyse is in a position to mouth off to Fordola or the other young generation like that, since she had the privilege of being snuck away to safer lands under her sister's wing. I think Wicar said it best in Gyr Abanna. "You weren't there, Lyse. You weren't!"

On paper yes, she was born in Ala Mihgo, but she escaped at 5 years old. She knows little to nothing (until recently after the events of 2.5) of the actual way of life for these people, and the choices they had to make. She's just too idealistic and condescending. I almost wish they had just left her as "Yda". From Yda's angle, the passion and the will to fight would be much more believable, as she was older and aware of their life under oppression.

And I won't even start on the way she was designed. Yes I'm aware her "Yda" design was straight from 1.0 when they didn't have female highlanders but...with her costume change for 4.0, they could have given her an edgier look -- like you know, the people of her homeland? Instead they give her bright fluffy perfect long blonde hair, rosy cheeks and the perfect complexion. Gotta fill that waifu quota I guess!


Alphinaud - The devs must have a hardon for him, as they keep him in the spotlight for THREE major storylines: 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0. Not even Alisae has had this privilege!

I get it, he grew as a character, but he's old, boring, and still a bit of a condescending jerk.

Minfilia - useless dolled up clown. The devs really went out of their way to give her a waifu look. What was even more annoying is what most people have already said --- useless desk figure sending you on random fetch quests (to infuse materia into a dagger that she never uses) and getting herself kidnapped.

To be fair, in the later arks where she became the Word of the Mother, I felt like I come somewhat come to respect her. I suppose all the useless standing around eventually built up to her grand-finale sacrifice moment. Lol.

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People hating the Goblins and I think they're adorable. I wish I had one as a minion.

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I don't understand the gobby-hate either. They are adorable!

The Wandering Minstrel
https://i.imgur.com/LiQseyk.png
Hellluuuuuu

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Zhloe and Khloe encapsulate everything I despise about this game. I'm sorta indifferent to M'Nhaago because it feels like they at least tried to write more for her than "omg kawaii catgirl," but either way, she's infinitely more tolerable than the other two. SE just has the obession where every notable female character has to be waifu bait of some kind or else they get the axe.

Minfilla
Alisae
Nanamo
Krile
Lyse
Y'Shtola
Yotsuyu
Every female NPC to appear to in a job/class quest
Rowena
Hilda
Kan-E-Sanna
Nashu
Yugiri
Jessie

Lucia and Fordola are the only notable exceptions, but one, despite being the right hand to one of the central characters of Heavensward is given very little screen time and the other is raising death flags left and right. IMO, it's only a matter of time before SE finds an excuse to kill Fordola. Merlwyb is an exception too to be fair, but SE likes to pretend she doesn't exist.

But I digress, let's list at the non-cutesy characters shall we? Ysayle and Moenbryda. Go ahead and guess what these two have in common.

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You put Yotsuyu as Waifu material?? Makes me quesiton if you know what waifu material is. Cause Yotsuyu is what one would call a Black widow; You dont eat or drink anything she hands you, you don't go into a dark place with her and you for sure dont fall asleep near her. lol

Much as I agree with the Alphinaud hate, I also recognize he is effectively the player's "voice." Being the silent protagonist, we're mostly just tagging along, mostly just standing there looking pretty while important matters are discussed, mostly just the muscle sent out while everyone gets stuff done.

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You put Yotsuyu as Waifu material?? Makes me quesiton if you know what waifu material is. Cause Yotsuyu is what one would call a Black widow; You dont eat or drink anything she hands you, you don't go into a dark place with her and you for sure dont fall asleep near her. lol

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Think he means just overall design, personality not included. XD

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Think he means just overall design, personality not included. XD

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Well if its Design lets not ignore the small group of Grease monkey's in the list of notable men. :D

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Ysayle

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Don't mention her! i cri evrytiem