Shinryu Ex needs a nerf

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Everyone doesn't have friends or friends with skill for that matter.

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Or social skills even I suppose. It never hurts to seek out active FCs. Just ask. But if that's too uncomfortable for someone, they can probably find folks for hire to help them clear content. But it ain't cheap and I'm not even sure of it's a TOS violation or not. That's just how this game is, you work/play with people so you need a bit of people skills, too, or make up for it some other way. I know some folks hate hearing this sort of advice. But if they're not willing to make some changes with themselves, they shouldn't expect much improvement from others. Just be patient then until everybody can git gud.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Is it that hard to believe that wat ur saying isn't the norm for a lot of people. Like I have 200 people on my friends list and I live in the pf. For one they have to be interested raids and extremes are nitch content. For two they have to be good dps even doing 3k dps is a hard find. Then they have to be dedicated people say all the time they play for fun and fun for a lot of people isn't wiping for hours til u get it right. Stop acting like everyone has people to summon at their beck and call. No nerf on shiyru doesn't change the fact pugs can be just awful sometimes

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But nerfing all the content so everyone can do it without much effort clearly has no negative influence on the game. It's almost like making everything easier and easier incentivises more players to not give a damn. :)

You're in some mediocre pugs. I was in an excellent pug tonight that could recover from a couple of deaths at each phase, yes, even final phase.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

But nerfing all the content so everyone can do it without much effort clearly has no negative influence on the game. It's almost like making everything easier and easier incentivises more players to not give a damn. :)

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I honestly don't know I'm a tank main healer sub I play dps for fun. I really don't know how hard it is to maintain 4k dps on a dps. And the game doesn't have a parser so I'm sure many dps don't even know they doing 2800k dps. I do no it took like 50 or more parties to even do atomic ray properly before I even cleared this fight so I understand where op is coming from. Pugging is just not fun at all but for some it's really the only option.

Interesting how people are bringing up that phase 3 is the hardest when its the easiest part of the fight. This community had me at the point where I was like don't even worry about phase 3 mechs until this party can show they can get past phase 1, when I was trying to clear.

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Originally Posted by Bernkastelx

Interesting how people are bringing up that phase 3 is the hardest when its the easiest part of the fight. This community had me at the point where I was like don't even worry about phase 3 mechs until this party can show they can get past phase 1, when I was trying to clear.

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Even the bad parties I was in could get past phase one just to get destroyed in the add phase or atomic ray in final phase. First phase most people have down by this point

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Originally Posted by CuteMoonMoon

I am now farming shinryu with 33 totems...i am asking a nerf...

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https://i.imgflip.com/1yfs3o.jpg

Meh my experience even with farm parties and people in ilvl 340 gear still flubbing phase 1, also get tired of telling tanks for the third and fourth tera slash their invuln cd should be up to eliminate the possibility of dying. I got the doggo though so im glad i don't have to deal with "330 to progress phase 2" nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Imsoangry

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Again, learn to read. Nowhere in my post im asking for a nerf, im even stating i dont want SE to nerf the fight because im enjoying the challenge. So when did i ask for more faceroll content like Susano? And saying just get a better group isnt good advice, it just shows you dont use PF a lot. I know not everyone struggles with the fight, enough people cleared it, but there are a lot of groups who do struggle so its not simply get a better group. I put several hours into trying to get a clear every day and 95% of the groups i encounter are just rubbish. Thats why i wrote i understand how OP feels, it doesnt mean i want it nerfed or im going to give up.

Phase 1 is honestly the hardest part of the fight.

The add phase is simple, and the only particularly dangerous mechanic in phase 3 is Atomic Ray.

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Originally Posted by WizzNL

Again, learn to read. Nowhere in my post im asking for a nerf, im even stating i dont want SE to nerf the fight because im enjoying the challenge. So when did i ask for more faceroll content like Susano? And saying just get a better group isnt good advice, it just shows you dont use PF a lot. I know not everyone struggles with the fight, enough people cleared it, but there are a lot of groups who do struggle so its not simply get a better group. I put several hours into trying to get a clear every day and 95% of the groups i encounter are just rubbish. Thats why i wrote i understand how OP feels, it doesnt mean i want it nerfed or im going to give up.

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I think it's you who has obvious problems with reading. Nowhere in my posts I say that you ask for faceroll content. I clearly relate to what op says while arguing the point you're trying to make - that you understand op feelings. I don't. It's basically whining and reasons why I explained in my previous post. It is simply "get better group" indeed, like it or not - it's the plain truth. You claim that you fail because your group is bad. In that case make your own. If its not you failing and you're a good player (though no offence, but there's plenty of reasons that lead me to believe that you're not), then you will easily find people to farm with, if you commit yourself into it. Put some REAL effort. Just randomly joining complete strangers in pf, and expecting you will easily farm is extremely naive and unrealistic and you should know that by now. For this reason I'll repeat myself - make friends. It's a MMO. It's always better to play with people you know instead of randoms who can disappear without saying a word at any given time. It's easier than ever now, given we have cross world party finder and friends list.

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Originally Posted by Imsoangry

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If you quote me and reply to a post made by me, then off course im going to assume its about me. The rest of your last post i cant even take seriously. Put more effort into it, pls tell me how much effort i did put into it? Plenty of reasons to believe im a bad player, based on what exactly? Same goes for the make friends and joining a farm party expecting an easy farm. No offence either, but not worth my time.

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Go nuts, nerf everything.

Easier? Hell no thy

Bcs People like you they did this game alrdy easier.

Nerfing content will have a negativ aspect. I just play the game for difficult.

Im also dissapointet you can Do lvl 50 stuff with lvl 70.

I will never play synced. Its much more fun to have the challange.

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Originally Posted by Keicho

I will never play synced. Its much more fun to have the challange.

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Just an fyi, you can bypass the character limit by hitting edit on your original post. That said, you probably wouldn't have come close to hitting it if you had condensed your last 5 into a single post. lol


But on topic, Shinryu Ex is fine as is. It'll get easier to clear as time goes on anyway.

I dont want See you t9 extreme lvl 50 ilvl110 then u know wahts difficult^^

Well for ms the only accaptable nerf is the 10% more dmg n HP buff

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Originally Posted by CuteMoonMoon

To devs / concludion:
Pugs are humans, not superheros, we have life to duel with . We dont want to waste 15mins on a wipe, make the 3rd phase easier to let us farm this thing with less stress.

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LOL. The fight was designed "between O2S and O3S difficulty". Just a lot of bad players think they are hot stuff for clearing the earlier SB primals, or even O1S, and finally got a wake up call.

The last phases are practically the sound of air seeping out of a poked balloon. A simple hard enrage that just depends on good DPS, but that maybe asking for a lot for some pugs.

You know how when you're picking raids from the raid finder, you have options like "Practice" and "Duty Completion"? Then at the bottom you can select which phase. Well, what if they made it so that if you picked "Practice" and choose the later phase, the fight actually starts on the final phase of the boss, and if people clear it they get no rewards and it won't count as a clear. You know, just so they can practice it without having to go through the start over and over.

Then when they're ready they can pick Duty Completion and do it for real. I think it'd help more people get into raiding.

No need for nerf, when 4.2 comes out it will be easier.

The fight as a whole is pretty balanced and a lot of fun, had some really good runs with it. My only issue is the Active Time Event where you need to constantly mash the button or key, i wouldn't mind that made a teeny bit easier but that's about it.

Nerf The Salt. :P

I just wanted to let you all know that he has a nerf now and is beyond thrilled! He said it was exactly what he wanted and its been the best birthday ever!
https://i.imgur.com/7u7iFW8.jpg
Really brightened his day.

Content to hard! = nerf prz

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Originally Posted by Texa

I just wanted to let you all know that he has a nerf now and is beyond thrilled! He said it was exactly what he wanted and its been the best birthday ever!
https://i.imgur.com/7u7iFW8.jpg
Really brightened his day.

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I laughed wayyy too hard at this! LMAO

Also... people having trouble with the ATE? Really? You know you can use ANY button for it, right? And not just 1 button, either. If you use a keyboard, you can literally just press your palm onto the keys and clear it. For the controller, just mash the shoulder buttons while using your thumbs to press two buttons at once.

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Originally Posted by CuteMoonMoon

Nerf this

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I needed something to laugh to this Monday morning. thanks

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Originally Posted by Texa

I just wanted to let you all know that he has a nerf now and is beyond thrilled! He said it was exactly what he wanted and its been the best birthday ever!
https://i.imgur.com/7u7iFW8.jpg
Really brightened his day.

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Real talk, can you imagine how big that nerf football would be, if it scaled with Shin? One throw could level a house @_@

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Originally Posted by Texa

I just wanted to let you all know that he has a nerf now and is beyond thrilled! He said it was exactly what he wanted and its been the best birthday ever!
https://i.imgur.com/7u7iFW8.jpg
Really brightened his day.

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Best thing i have seen on the forum in ages.

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Originally Posted by CuteMoonMoon

If you offwork at 6-7AM EST and you got only got 2-3 hours online time in work day.
You never know the feeling when you waste a day for nothing get, dont to mension that it takes an hour to form a group at that time

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Shinryu is not meant to be farmable by pugs. That's BY DESIGN.
Either get a static group or just accept it that you'll farm other stuff, but not Shinryu.

While there's nothing wrong with being a casual, you can't expect to be able to FARM every content the game has. Some of it was designed for a different crowd.

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

Shinryu is not meant to be farmable by pugs. That's BY DESIGN.
Either get a static group or just accept it that you'll farm other stuff, but not Shinryu.

While there's nothing wrong with being a casual, you can't expect to be able to FARM every content the game has. Some of it was designed for a different crowd.

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I think its VERY farmable with PUGs. the only thing that stops my farm parties is someone having to leave after 3ish clears. I've been clearing it 2-5 times a night with my small window of playtime without a static.

While I understand the sentiment, it's important to have fights that are challenging for the higher tier players. I think what is more distressing is that the content that is more relevant for lower skill levels is abandoned. A lot of the older trials and raids are easier, mechanic complexity-wise (don't even get me started on the lack of variability in this game). So they're easier to PUG in that regard. But people abandon them because somehow they think old content is less worthwhile than the new.

Of course it's less worthwhile. People go there hundreds of item levels above what the content was design for. I really wish they'd address this. There needs to be some motivation - no matter how small - to make sync the older content. Perhaps add another type of roulette - Extreme Roulette - where you're thrown into older Extreme trials and completing it gives you the same reward as Expert Roulette.

Also make it so that syncing older content gives you an increased drop rate.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Also make it so that syncing older content gives you an increased drop rate.

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Already happens.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...30/unknown.png

Could it be expanded? Sure. But for some things it's already there.

Just 1 litte Suggestion.
I would like an option in the duty finder, where you can train specifically P2 (Add phase and everything after). Have been in parties for him the last days and it seems most people can do P1, while having problems with P2. Just a training mode would be fine. You start right with the Adds, you can train, you can kill him, but you DON'T get any loot, you DON'T get the "Kill done" status in pf. It's just for training. And when your are good with P2, you just go from the start and do a regular kill.

It's time to stop. Get gud or get gud.
Seriously, people cried about Royal Menagerie (the last trial of the Stormblood lvl !70! story btw with literally no new mechanics) and now crying about Extreme version. IS IT SUPPOSED to be hard. But it's not hard enough to nerf it.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Already happens.

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Sync and unsync have the same drop rates. Minimum ilvl is not sync. Some of these fights might be more difficult than savage raiding with minimum ilvl.