Dear RED MAGES....!

Can't tell if I'm feeding the troll; or if this is a "heal only" healer trying to point out the double standard where people keep asking healers to DPS.

Assuming it's 2, I'm going to say that I approach RDM the same way I approach healers. I do my role first, and fill in if I can/need to.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

HOW...could...YOU...say...THAT

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Probably... because i'm such a.... SELFISH... RDM.

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

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Ad hominem is unbecoming. But ok. according to you, 5 Clemencies is more efficient than 10 flashes. I understand... I think? And you're trying to insult me.

Also if this is about DPS, then why arent you using Rampart, Sentinel, or Bulwark instead and freeing up your GCD for Total Eclipse? 5 clemencies arent going to save you for very long. As you said, mobs hit hard now.

Yeah it's obvious healing generates hate, but you're claiming that Clemency generates the exact- sorry MORE enmiity than Flash. Ok. I Very much disagree on that point unless you can show that statistically. Whether or not I know how to play PLD has nothing to do with that specific claim.

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Originally Posted by Jukebox12

The formal of healing every pt of healing is .5. But why use clemency when you can use flash which has a multiplier and cost less mp. Also you should never be doing clemency unless the healers are busy during progession.

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Which is EXACTLY what I was saying. I knew it was .5 but was unfamiliar if it changed in stormblood. Glad to know it's the same. Still don't know why you would say "derp" and repeat the same exact statement.

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

Healing generates hate for PLD's, similar to flash but with more MP consumption and just as much enmity generation. Before you speak up, please make sure you understand how PLD works.

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Literally saying Clemency is the same Enmity as Flash. As long as that's on record, I want the proof before I'M insulted. I can admit to not knowing every single facet of a side job, but claims like these need a bit more weight behind them. ESPECIALLY if theres ad hominem behind it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/enmity

I'll at least clear things up, as maybe I may have interpreted it wrong, and can also apologize for the words, including the insults (which also wasn't necessary to add into it).

Enmity is calculated on the total heal rather than the amount actually healed.

So a 500 heal that only heals 300 health would give you 500x0.5 = 250 enmity rather than something like 300x0.5+200x0.75=300 or simply 300x0.5=150.
This is correct. Enmity is calculated for the full value of any magic-based healing produced (attack power based healing such as Bloodbath has some special rules on a case-by-case basis).

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

Ad hominem is unbecoming. But ok. according to you, 5 Clemencies is more efficient than 10 flashes. I understand... I think? And you're trying to insult me.

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It's not about threat.

It's about healing the healer doesn't have to do so they can use their significantly stronger AoE attacks as the Paladin only has a 110 aoe that's usually hampered further by tank stance.

OK....! Red Mages...! This is your FINAL WARNING...! Start USING your heal that YOSHI graciously gave YOU....!

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

OK....! Red Mages...! This is your FINAL WARNING...! Start USING your heal that YOSHI graciously gave YOU....!

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Final warning? Ohhh you're threatening not to play with them anymore? No, please don't, come back, we all need you.

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

OK....! Red Mages...! This is your FINAL WARNING...! Start USING your heal that YOSHI graciously gave YOU....!

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I'm shaking in my boots.

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

OK....! Red Mages...! This is your FINAL WARNING...! Start USING your heal that YOSHI graciously gave YOU....!

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Nah. Hang on wai...nah.

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

OK....! Red Mages...! This is your FINAL WARNING...! Start USING your heal that YOSHI graciously gave YOU....!

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And what exactly do you think you can do if they don't? I get it I am feeding an obvious troll here, but there is nothing you can do to force anyone to do anything. If you as a healer stop healing or not heal your party then you anger everyone and get kicked from the group. If you kick people from your group because they are a RDM not using vercure then word gets out and no one will want to play with you do to harassment. So, in the end there is nothing you can do other then empty threats. You can not force anyone to do something they will not do. A dps's job is to dps not heal. That is the job of the healer.

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

So that when the healer is DPSing they DONT have to heal YOU....!

Thnx...!

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Red Mage dps is higher than Healer dps.

COME....! ON! Just heal ONCE or TWICE....! Second FINAL warning.....

You dont understand the word "final" and you can take your "warning" and shove it.

FIRSTLY... There can be AS MANY final warnings as you can COUNT...! Just like FINAL fantasy...! There's like FIFTEEN of em now....! Secondly...! If Red Mages weren't SUPPOSED to heal they wouldn't have been GIVEN a heal....! pls HEAL...!

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

FIRSTLY... There can be AS MANY final warnings as you can COUNT...! Just like FINAL fantasy...! There's like FIFTEEN of em now....! Secondly...! If Red Mages weren't SUPPOSED to heal they wouldn't have been GIVEN a heal....! pls HEAL...!

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Don't you think it is more than time to give up on your bad attempt of troll...?

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Originally Posted by popotaro

Don't you think it is more than time to give up on your bad attempt of troll...?

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At this point can we really say it was a bad attempt of a troll post? Was on the weak side, but some people took the bait.

...Needs...more...ellipses... >w>
...Needs...less..Red...Mage..Heals... >w>
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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

FIRSTLY... There can be AS MANY final warnings as you can COUNT...! Just like FINAL fantasy...! There's like FIFTEEN of em now....! Secondly...! If Red Mages weren't SUPPOSED to heal they wouldn't have been GIVEN a heal....! pls HEAL...!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

The existence of Vercure is primarily there for flavor and mitigation on the overworld. That's really it. BLM has Manaward and Summoner has Titan-egi and Devotion, if you want a comparison.

That said, Vercure can be useful, but most healers find the usage of it to be rather intrusive or an insult to their healing abilities, implying that they're bad healers.

Buuuuuut OP is probably a troll.

This whole thing is so much better if you read the OPs posts in a Christopher Walken voice.

.....You’re making a joke right? I’ve tried making a joke like this once and it didn’t end well.

Either way...







I am not Eos

You guys are STILL not SEEING the big picture....! THIRD warning...! Red Mages NEED to get READY to use that HEAL...!

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Originally Posted by Kithicor

This whole thing is so much better if you read the OPs posts in a Christopher Walken voice.

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Oh my god yes

This post made my day

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

You guys are STILL not SEEING the big picture....! THIRD warning...! Red Mages NEED to get READY to use that HEAL...!

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Can I get like, ten more final warnings? I might listen then.

Might.

It might take fifteen more final warnings.

Stop being such a lazy healer and i don't know use your toolkit to do YOUR JOB?
I have no issues raising players and helping out healers to prevent wipes but you just sound.. lazy

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

You guys are STILL not SEEING the big picture....! THIRD warning...! Red Mages NEED to get READY to use that HEAL...!

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And what exactly are you going to do if we keep ignoring your warnings?

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

And what exactly are you going to do if we keep ignoring your warnings?

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I propose we completely ignore and talk about nice desserts or little cakes or something.

Feed the troll to receive an additional final warning, pointless diatribe included!

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Originally Posted by Kithicor

This whole thing is so much better if you read the OPs posts in a Christopher Walken voice.

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Holy crap! You're right! These are gold now!

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

You guys are STILL not SEEING the big picture....! THIRD warning...! Red Mages NEED to get READY to use that HEAL...!

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stfu because wdgaf?

You know what, I've turned. OP is right, next expert roulette I'm just gunna vercure people, the healer will thank me because they can get their sweet dps off. Only see myself doing unenchanted melee combo tbh. IM... a .. 20+ QUe ... HEALer ... NOW ! ... !..

As someone who use RDM and WHM, I can both relate and not relate.

Pro: My initial job is conjurer, so my job is to heal the whole team so no one died. And when I used RDM in a high level dungeon I still feel uncomfortable with tanks with HP below 50%
And RDM can raise the healer in SB dungeons and trials if the healer(s) happened to be dead.

Con: RDM is a DPS and WHM is a healer. You don't switch the two because the healer is too lazy to keep the whole team alive and lazily casts the tank Regen while expecting RDM to support themselves.

And the more I read through this post, the more it can relate to Edda and Avere.
Only with much lazier healer.

I'll heal as RDM.
I'll heal when I can avoid tanks dying in O2S while I raise the two healers that just died when some dps were *supposed* to be bumped back.
I'll heal so I can avoid dying.
I'll heal when I can't dps, so I can proc a dual-cast, on myself on someone who needs it (think O4S, Light and Darkness, especially when someone have an emptiness debuff).
I'll heal in dungeons on yolo pulls when either the healer or the tank is struggling.
I'll even heal people I raised so they don't die again, especially in places like Rabanastre.

If we hit enrage, well, fail and die less, I'll heal less :p

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Originally Posted by Toyoyo

I'll heal as RDM.
I'll heal when I can avoid tanks dying in O2S while I raise the two healers that just died when some dps were *supposed* to be bumped back.
I'll heal so I can avoid dying.
I'll heal when I can't dps, so I can proc a dual-cast, on myself on someone who needs it (think O4S, Light and Darkness, especially when someone have an emptiness debuff).
I'll heal in dungeons on yolo pulls when either the healer or the tank is struggling.
I'll even heal people I raised so they don't die again, especially in places like Rabanastre.

If we hit enrage, well, fail and die less, I'll heal less :p

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All of that is covered in the first 11 pages.

The RDMs that drive other players up the wall are those who heal without good reason and to the detriment of their damage output.

Those necromancy skills you guys have are incredible. What about calling back _Enigma_?

Don't tempt them!

https://media.giphy.com/media/dC9DTd...ized-large.gif

only thing I want is for RDMs to remember Veraise. you know, in case somehow I die or if im not healing and the healer goes down... you know.

We still waiting for the final final warning. It's a shame that we'll never know what gonna happens to RDM who not cast some heals to help healers so they could don't do their job anymore.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

RDM = DPS only use heal or raise in emergency not constantly

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This all day. If RDM is relied on for heals, get better healers. Also, if your healer is out dpsing your rdm, get a better rdm