Time vs. Reward, and The Feast Tickets

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Originally Posted by AdamZ

Still has not figured out this quote thing...

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I have. I'm on mobile so I can't edit my word count, quoting a post will cut out what I need to say. Love how you keep bringing it up though. Hilarious how that's the the only way you can discredit the points I'm making.

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Originally Posted by HeroLogarin

thank you takasuki, we've been in several posts together and it felt like it was a response to what i posted before he did.

that was an assumption and I'm sorry.

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I wasn't talking to you bro, someone made a personal remark so I simply responded. Sorry for any confusion.

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Originally Posted by Yoruno

I wasn't talking to you bro, someone made a personal remark so I simply responded. Sorry for any confusion.

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o7 all good

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Originally Posted by Yoruno

I have. I'm on mobile so I can't edit my word count, quoting a post will cut out what I need to say. Love how you keep bringing it up though. Hilarious how that's the the only way you can discredit the points I'm making.

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Aw, what points have you made again? Think you just have come on here and insulted people (to the point that we can't even figure out who).


On you responding to a person attack, you started the attacks:

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Originally Posted by Yoruno

If you garo boys spent half as much time playing as you do crying on the official forums you would've got the reward by now
I've beefed with many PVP players over the years, it is a competitive game. But I will say right now I have more respect for them than I ever will for someone like you who just sits and cries about what they can't have, at least they went out and gutted it out, and they deserve it. You on the other hand, deserve nothing. Be happy with your ticket.

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That is your first response to something someone is purposing that simply put would help drive interest and player investment in the mode... with there proposal an extension to what the dev team has laid out now.

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Originally Posted by AdamZ

Bad quoting by me? The lack of quoting was directed at Rem. As they have been putting out attacks without quoting and causing confusion.

And I guess congrats to all that made top 100? If you read my posts you will know I hold nothing again those that got top 100 or the rewards they have. My points has been, they are creating systems to increase player involvement (a good thing), and if they do decide to make the rewards available to all, stop being hurt about it, they are designing it so you still get rewards long before anyone else. (I also think top 10 should get there own thing, etc etc)

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And it's sad how you have nothing to say but call out on not knowing how to quote in a discussion that's about something completely different.

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Originally Posted by MisterAdri

And it's sad how you have nothing to say but call out on not knowing how to quote in a discussion that's about something completely different.

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He's not even crying about the rewards anymore. Just about me and my inability to act politically correct. I guess that's an improvement though.

this is why pvp doesnt need rewards

It's not like other people being able to get the gear is the issue.

The main issue I'd see with tickets allowing you to get past seasons gear is that if they set it to say.. I dunno we'll say 10 tickets for the gear, okay. What's the point in bothering with ever getting top 100 at all then? What's the point in being competitive at all? Just get Bronze/Silver and coast a couple seasons till you get it. That breeds a bad atmosphere where hardly anyone will care.

Like right now if (we are assuming here right?) the weapon from top 10 is the same as the ticket weapon, this devalues top 10, Why bother getting top 10?

If you had to get top 100 just to get tickets then it might be fair, but if all you need to do is meet a tier a couple of times. It doesn't look like it would end well.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Like right now if (we are assuming here right?) the weapon from top 10 is the same as the ticket weapon, this devalues top 10, Why bother getting top 10?

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There aren't really any assumptions here. It was already confirmed that the weapons were specifically made to be bought with the tickets, not made just for the top 10. It's just that the top 10 get enough tickets to buy a weapon at the end of the season.

Source: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/002114.html

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

There aren't really any assumptions here. It was already confirmed that the weapons were specifically made to be bought with the tickets, not made just for the top 10. It's just that the top 10 get enough tickets to buy a weapon at the end of the season.

Source: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/002114.html

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What's the point in top 10 then? Just get diamond this season and whatever you need next season. >.>

at least its not another pair of stupid earrings

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Originally Posted by Cynric

What's the point in top 10 then? Just get diamond this season and whatever you need next season. >.>

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Isn't that obvious? You'll get enough tickets to buy one of the weapons. Meanwhile, anyone outside the top 10 will have to wait another season. And if you're skilled enough to reach the top 10 during this season, you should have a good shot at reaching the top 10 again, getting you enough tickets to get a second weapon, while everyone else will only have enough for just one.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

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But you don't have to get top 10 at all to do that, just participate every season to get enough tickets. You never have to touch top 10 at all. do a lot of people even have more than one main or the want for more than one weapon? Couldn't they just participate each season for said weapon? What does it matter whether you get it this season, next season or even in three seasons if you can always get it eventually?

I personally have no need for two weapons so I can't quite see the point in my getting top 10 just for a weapon I can get by participation, a lot of extra work that isn't really worth the reward.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

But you don't have to get top 10 at all to do that, just participate every season to get enough tickets. You never have to touch top 10 at all.

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Well yea, because the ticket system is designed to be separate from the actual ranking.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

do a lot of people even have more than one main or the want for more than one weapon?

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You're playing an MMO that allows players to play every single job on a single character. Yes, there are a lot of players that play multiple jobs. Yes, there are a lot of players who would want more of those weapons for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

What does it matter whether you get it this season, next season or even in three seasons if you can always get it eventually?

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What does it matter whether someone gets an expensively crafted glamour now, or 6 months from now? What does it matter whether someone gets a v4s weapon now, or 6 months from now? Being able to show off something unique, and being 1 of the 10 players in a datacenter that has something much, much sooner. That's a pretty big deal for a lot of players.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

I personally have no need for two weapons so I can't quite see the point in my getting top 10 just for a weapon I can get by participation, a lot of extra work that isn't really worth the reward.

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Then you clearly don't care as much for glamour, which makes me wonder if you find the armor set worth going for as well.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Then you clearly don't care as much for glamour, which makes me wonder if you find the armor set worth going for as well.

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You realize his glamour is the top 100 gear from Season 1 of Feast, right? Glamour is a big deal, and what makes glamour even better? Glamour other people can't get. PVP is about winning, bragging rights, and respect---and it's built into the rewards system (I think that's great!).

He's saying that the top 10 reward should be more prestigious, but it's not, because it's something he (and anyone else) will eventually get just by participating. There's nothing to compete for at that high of a level, at least nothing worth the amount of skill/time/stress, so why try?

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Originally Posted by Nirokun

You realize his glamour is the top 100 gear from Season 1 of Feast, right?

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I don't go around checking the lodestone pages of random people on the forums, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Nirokun

Glamour is a big deal, and what makes glamour even better? Glamour other people can't get. PVP is about winning, bragging rights, and respect---and it's built into the rewards system (I think that's great!).

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And you'll have bragging rights with just 9 others on your datacenter, for an entire season. We also don't know how many tickets are rewarded for each tier, and how much the weapons will cost, meaning we don't know how many players will be able to buy one after the next season.

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Originally Posted by Nirokun

He's saying that the top 10 reward should be more prestigious, but it's not, because it's something he (and anyone else) will eventually get just by participating. There's nothing to compete for at that high of a level, at least nothing worth the amount of skill/time/stress, so why try?

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Didn't you just say that PvP is about winning, bragging rights and respect? Surely becoming top 10 is all about winning, giving you the ability to brag about ending up in the top 10, possibly gaining the respect from other PvPers.

But I suppose they could always just remove the hat from the top 100 set, and set it as a top 10 reward. Just like the previous armor sets.

this whole thread is a joke tbh, top 100 per server? there isn't even a 100 players on zodiark looooooooooooool please let this thread die along with its ignorance

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

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Think I'm just gonna do what Yoruno said. This is a pointless conversation. Rewards you get for being 1-100 on the board are exclusive, no one can get them. Rewards you get for being 1-10 are not, everyone can get them. That's an imbalance. You work harder for less.

There's no point in bragging about anything, if that's the reason you go for the top 10 spot then do you, but it's not worth the effort just to be able to "brag" for a season. Plus I don't see what there is to brag about in this mess we call 4v4, and I say that as someone who has hit Top 100 at least.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

I don't go around checking the lodestone pages of random people on the forums, sorry.


And you'll have bragging rights with just 9 others on your datacenter, for an entire season. We also don't know how many tickets are rewarded for each tier, and how much the weapons will cost, meaning we don't know how many players will be able to buy one after the next season.


Didn't you just say that PvP is about winning, bragging rights and respect? Surely becoming top 10 is all about winning, giving you the ability to brag about ending up in the top 10, possibly gaining the respect from other PvPers.

But I suppose they could always just remove the hat from the top 100 set, and set it as a top 10 reward. Just like the previous armor sets.

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So basically your point about him not caring about glamour was destroyed, ok great.

You just described the ticket system, ok great. For the record, I don't think I'm good enough for Top10 (and I'm completely okay with that!), but the statement that was made was that Top10, the cream of the crop, arent being rewarded handsomely enough. Their accomplishments will effectively be rendered null by a sea of counterfeits in time, which makes it feel like a wasted effort. That is not a way to treat a winner, by allowing/providing counterfeit trophies, that's deplorable.

Yes, I feel like S1/S2 were the only seasons to get top 10 correctly because the crowns were showy and very limited. Part of the reason S3 and S4 were so loathed was because the top 10 reward was changed and given out to everyone for a minor accomplishment, and replaced by an earring--ugly and practically invisible.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Think I'm just gonna do what Yoruno said. This is a pointless conversation. Rewards you get for being 1-100 on the board are exclusive, no one can get them. Rewards you get for being 1-10 are not, everyone can get them. That's an imbalance. You work harder for less.

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You're right, it's a pointless conversation, as you don't seem to understand that the weapons weren't designed as rank 1-10 rewards. They were designed for the ticket system.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

There's no point in bragging about anything, if that's the reason you go for the top 10 spot then do you, but it's not worth the effort just to be able to "brag" for a season. Plus I don't see what there is to brag about in this mess we call 4v4, and I say that as someone who has hit Top 100 at least.

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Don't look at me on that one. Nirokun is the one that mentioned PvP being about bragging rights.

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Originally Posted by Nirokun

So basically your point about him not caring about glamour was destroyed, ok great.

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How exactly was my point destroyed? He questioned whether people needed more than one weapon, and that it's not worth the effort to get a glamour piece earlier than the vast majority of the playerbase.

But I suppose I should've said "He doesn't care about glamours as much" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I care about glamour a lot. If I didn't I wouldn't even bother with pvp till they fix it. But I'm going to get it anyway just by playing. It'll just take longer but its more guaranteed to me than a relevant raid weapon is just by participating. Could you imagine if you got raid weapons just for getting close 10 times? Without even clearing? People would freak Lol.