A shocking amount of people can't seem to walk or talk at the same time. I am going with this idea that the majority asked for this, rather than the developers just throwing this out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by captainpicard
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12-13-2011, 03:02 AMJinrya-Geki
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12-13-2011, 03:04 AMJinrya-GekiAnd you know what? He probably used Life II or Angel whisper. I bet he didn't stop to cast it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrien
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12-13-2011, 03:05 AMquantumsaint
I don't like this either. +1
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12-13-2011, 03:07 AMcaptainpicardI find it absurd that they have purposely moved the game towards a in motion party vs party battle, and now plan to bind casters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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12-13-2011, 03:10 AMVerecund
Finally, I now don't have to hit escape and pray every time I want to cancel a spell.
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12-13-2011, 03:21 AMMindx3
People who want moving and casting are retarded, can u imagine pvp with this effect? Mages would completely own all melee this is a needed change. I want moving and talking cuz its realistic! Wow really? Fighting giant moogle kings is realistic right /palmface... dont move while casting and position yourself correctly that is all
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12-13-2011, 03:23 AMJinrya-GekiWho knows, maybe the next dumb thing add to Disciple of Magic will be... let me think for a second...Quote:
Originally Posted by captainpicard
List of things:
1.Only 2 Disciples of Magic to start with
2.Make spells cost huge MP
3. Giving White-Mage Aero/Stone (You guys should be penalized for cross-classing to solo, not me for want to make a group effort.)
4.Rewards are crap (I know it's being fixed, but I am not too hopeful since this whole thing going on now)
Spell do horrible damage (Same excuse to rewards)
5.Can't move
6. Leaving it to a poll of mostly melee to decide the next class Implemented 2 DoW or 1 DoM.
7. No Wizard class (forthelolz)
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12-13-2011, 03:25 AMJinrya-GekiUmadbro? Pvp go play WOW,Rift, or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindx3
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12-13-2011, 03:35 AMPyretta_Blaze
I don't think I like this. I DO want a way to instantly cancel casting spells, but I don't like it being by movement. People shouldn't die to cure being canceled at the last second because a controller is touchy... I could see making cast times longer or something if you are running around or something. I suppose I will just get used to it, I did in FFXI.
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12-13-2011, 03:35 AMZoltanI bet developers can walk and talk at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
The way that it was added via footnote indicates that it was an after thought and that implies that it was not something that the "majority" requested.
- If programming language was in English (or Japanese), then programmers couldn't speak English (or Japanese). -
12-13-2011, 03:37 AMMindx3Im not mad your just retarded, pve encounters are now twice as difficult seeing as how you could run around casting stoneskin, do you know how badly this effects enviromental hazards in a encounter running and casting makes them a non issue lol seeing as how players want difficulty this is a good changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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12-13-2011, 03:40 AMLucifer
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12-13-2011, 03:41 AMJinrya-GekiThat is players like you being lazy. "Oh he can run and kill me in pvp, so gimp him in that, ultimately gimping him PvE"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindx3
It's not any harder for me at all, it's more dull now. I don't like just stand there like some kind of jerk. I like to move. Which is why I like the Ifrit figh, you can't just stand still the whole fight.
If difficulty comes from you not being able to walk and talk... lol
edit: I apologize to anyone who actually not being able to walk and talk because of actual disabilities such as being in a wheelchair, saying this before someone says it. -
12-13-2011, 03:42 AMJovy
I am gonna have to agree with mr. lord almighty of all of what he surveys Jinrya Geki on this one. Unless they make the dmg out put higher on mages to make it worth staying in one spot, i dont like this change. This game has been unfair to mages since the begining. Remember when melee can out xp mages cause they attacked more? Seriously when is SE gonna fix this mage racist attitude they have? And how about those Ifrit weapons of ours..... its a complete joke....
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12-13-2011, 03:43 AMFated1) You were praying for something that had a 0% chance of occurringQuote:
Originally Posted by Verecund
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12-13-2011, 03:52 AMFironSo you did not alrdy stand in one spot to cast so you could get mp back after casting :)Quote:
Originally Posted by captainpicard
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12-13-2011, 03:54 AMJinrya-GekiStanding to heal, isn't so bad because it can still regenerate while moving, if you need to. It just heals faster standing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firon
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12-13-2011, 03:55 AMFironright but usually standing in one spot is better cause you get mp back when you don't need to cast the next spell....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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12-13-2011, 04:10 AMExni
Lame change. It was actually nice to be able to move yourself while casting... we already got locked up when the cast intiates and when it was casted, that was more than enough. Now we'll have to stand still all over again.. (from XI days..) This patch.. /sigh.. At least TOR comes out tomorrow..
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12-13-2011, 04:12 AMcaptainpicard
A system that allows you to move and utilize word hole simultaneously is a lot more dynamic then a system where you are static.
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12-13-2011, 04:21 AMEstellios
You never/barely ever had to move in fights in FF11, so it worked there. I'd like them to continue with the mechanics of the Ifrit fight and make more movement/action based battles. If they can manage that while requiring us to stand still, I have no complaints, but if not then I'd like to be able to move around.
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12-13-2011, 04:32 AMMindx3I really cant believe how much fail is in your responses, no one is forcing you to stand around although it benefits you so i dont see why you wouldent. This isnt me being lazy lol, if i see a giant fiery explosion about to happen below my feet im gonna run, the difference is now i cant cast stoneskin to protect myself thus making the encounter much more difficult. This isnt a gimp or nerf its a fix to a shitty game mechanic that shouldent have been in the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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12-13-2011, 04:36 AMKraususthe way we can move and cast now is really crappy and probably not intended, I actually like this change as a mage you should only be moving when absolutely necessary anyways and it will make it easier for mages to avoid eruptions in Ifrit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamba
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12-13-2011, 04:36 AMDubont
This will ruin the ifrit fight, btw
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12-13-2011, 04:42 AMRemVyeUm? I'd love to hear the explanation on that....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubont
Mages don't have to move at all unless they get an eruption under them. If they are casting and eruption is under them 8/10 times they are going to get hit by one of the explosions.
If you start casting and have to run, 9/10 you're not going to be able to get back to your target before the cast time completes.
The only "issue" I see regarding Ifrit is that I like to long-cast my raises during his jumps on my fallen comrades... start casting, then run to a safe spot, then weave back to the target for the end of the cast. Won't be able to do that anymore... but that's ok I just like to save chainspell for emergencies. -
12-13-2011, 04:46 AMKumaAkuma
It won't ruin Ifrit fight. Mages don't run there unless they have to run away.
But in general it would ruin a lot, because it's hindering yet again the freedom of movement. If they ever bring out PvP like they said they would, this thing will be the first to be removed again at the next patch after, because the QQing you'll get from mages then will be insane. -
12-13-2011, 04:49 AMDubontlove the logic here... "you won't run unless you have to run away" EXACTLY. You have to constantly be moving, which will interrupt casts, which means some of your cures won't get off when they need to. This is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by KumaAkuma
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12-13-2011, 04:51 AMKumaAkuma
No.... mages are only healing from one spot and they are only running away and back to that spot when it's not safe. They should not be casting when they're not there.
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12-13-2011, 04:54 AMDubontI think you're missing what I'm saying...Quote:
Originally Posted by KumaAkuma
*begins casting* -> Ifrit does his crap *has to move* *Gladiator doesn't get the cure* *Gladiator dies* -
12-13-2011, 04:56 AMKraususQuote:
Originally Posted by Dubont
I have to question whether you have been in the Ifrit fight or not or maybe a successful Ifrit fight. The only time a mage needs to move in the fight is if he has to avoid eruption and a majority of the time trying to cancel a spell so you can get out of said eruption in time is very iffy.
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12-13-2011, 04:58 AMKraususor the other healer in the group can heal him while you avoid the eruptionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dubont
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12-13-2011, 04:59 AMArtEmisPalmecia
So I can't start casting as I run back to my spot? It's not like I'm regaining MP anyways, might as well make use of the time spent.
Also, with this change, you are aware that it's not going to be enough to just ran back to the spot and then cure? It will be more like...
* Run back to spot
* Wait 1 to 2 seconds
* Then cast.
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12-13-2011, 05:02 AMKumaAkumaI'm saying that it will not ruin Ifrit. And I don't know what kind of crap Gla you play with but my Mrd does not die from not recieving a cast for 10secs if not more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubont
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12-13-2011, 05:03 AMNotoriousZow
Movement cancelling spells AND animation lock? I don't think I like this at all. Get rid of one or the other please. >.>
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12-13-2011, 05:05 AMDubontI have to question whether or not you actually understand what I'm saying...unfortunately, I already know the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
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12-13-2011, 05:07 AMKraususQuote:
Originally Posted by Dubont
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12-13-2011, 05:07 AMDubontUncalled for, but it's to be expected of someone such as yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
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12-13-2011, 05:11 AMFironNo more chain spell whm only!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RemVye
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12-13-2011, 05:29 AMEstellios
I think it will only reduce cast time too.
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12-13-2011, 05:30 AMRemVyeI wonder if you purposefully skipped what I wrote in response to you... hmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Dubont
I think it negates your whole argument.
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Um? I'd love to hear the explanation on that....
Mages don't have to move at all unless they get an eruption under them. If they are casting and eruption is under them 8/10 times they are going to get hit by one of the explosions.
If you start casting and have to run, 9/10 you're not going to be able to get back to your target before the cast time completes.
The only "issue" I see regarding Ifrit is that I like to long-cast my raises during his jumps on my fallen comrades... start casting, then run to a safe spot, then weave back to the target for the end of the cast. Won't be able to do that anymore... but that's ok I just like to save chainspell for emergencies.
Yeah that's right Firon :-/ I didn't think about that part, but it doesn't really matter much to be honest. I think Ifrit will be a lot easier after the patch.. they are buffing the Ifrit weapons, stat allocation, self-combos, run at same speed in passive and active mode, protect and shell are combined... etc etc etcQuote:
No more chain spell whm only!!!