Until SE makes male and female glamours equal...

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

But... everything you listed is a robe.

A robe is not a dress. Or a skirt.

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Plus almost every single one listed is job locked.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

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Dress is not a synonym to Robe.

The idea is to have some form of clothing that isn't typical, that alsp compliments the male form, at least that's my perception of it. The only skirts we have ingame are the Plain Long Skirt, and the Uraeus Skirt. Hakama is not a casual skirt, it's traditional Japanese battle attire. Something like the "Ramie Skirt" is not actually a skirt either, it's just a pair of pants with hanging fabric off the sides to imitate a skirt.

The two skirts we have at the moment fall into an all-purpose, and a school-girl type skirt, keeping that in mind, we essentially have a single skirt to use on everything, but it isn't variety. A Hakama that isn't Job-locked (unlike the Asuran/Yasha Hakama) would be well appreciated, considering the Yukata-clothing we got for earlier Moonfire Faires. This is just an idea of what potentially the devs can add to allow players to wear, it's not forcing players to wear these clothes and share these ideals.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

With all the dress a man can wear IG i'm confused with this fuss.

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That's one of the points we're making, in a way. Why do people act like the sky is falling when people request unlocking the female-only/unisex glamour sets fully, when there are lots of 'feminine' outfits available? The fact that they added a fashionable dyeable glamour miniskirt a while back says a lot more about what Square-Enix think about men in skirts than vague assertions about how 'Japanese people are shy about crossdressing'.

But back to actual skirts.

The Plain Long Skirt looks a bit unexciting on me so I'm lucky I main casters (plenty of choice for skirts there). It would be nice to see a few of the job-specific ones opened up for everyone like the Uraeus Coat was before; the yukata/hakama look is extremely popular on my server, and they could stealthily throw in an unlock for the Spring Skirt in the same update since it harms nobody to do so and it's already modelled for all character types anyway. A few of the HW palette-swapped long caster skirts look absolutely great on men too, and some even have pants built-in so you don't get any accidental wardrobe malfunctions when running up stairs or flying through certain dungeons if that annoys you. I'd love to be able to equip those on other jobs.

The lack of a level 1 glamour hakama model in particular feels like a huge omission, though. On my Japanese server I see tons of people trying to emulate a full traditional Doman look with the tools available and not being able to do so on most of the game's jobs is a shame.

Feel all the same to me.
i'd like to wear heavy armor on my BLM but it's job locked too, but I don't complain.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Feel all the same to me.
i'd like to wear heavy armor on my BLM but it's job locked too, but I don't complain.

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Ok, but what if the armour you wanted to wear - let's say the Wootz set or something - was locked away to women or Lalafell or something even after you switched to tank to achieve that look? It would suck, right? We're only complaining about decisions which make no sense and have been applied apparently randomly. They're at least moderately consistent about armour types and roles.

While it's outside of the scope of this particular complaint, I agree that it would be nice to be able to use some heavy armour pieces on casters too. If it's good enough for Papalymo it should be possible for the incredible Warrior of Light to figure something out; maybe the healer/caster contest winner will sort this out :s

There's so many things in this game that are non-sense that I stopped really caring about the non-sense of this game anymore. I just take it as it comes 'cause I have no power on its development but I still enjoy playing it.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

There's so many things in this game that are non-sense that I stopped really caring about the non-sense of this game anymore. I just take it as it comes 'cause I have no power on its development but I still enjoy playing it.

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That's fine, but I prefer to take a more proactive stance. If the squeaky wheel gets the oil, I can be very squeaky if I have to. My hope is that doing it in a fun and friendly way will get us the right kind of attention, rather than getting stuck going around and around yet another circular debate that just gets nastier with each revolution.

Today's outfit is a little bit sexy, featuring my favorite bottoms in the game. I had to trot out my poor, neglected Paladin for this shot, because these amazing pants are tank-only! Of all the possible glamour in the world of Eorzea, a unisex, all-classes, dyeable bottom piece with this sort of design (shorts + thigh-highs) is my dearest wish.
http://i.imgur.com/W7LpZnf.png
http://i.imgur.com/isPt7bm.png

And I should have said this earlier, but to whichever mod swooped in and cleaned up the troll posts, thank you very much! I hope you like the pictures.

Hey, that would almost be a perfectly acceptable way to implement the female-only Bridesmaid's Tights to fit men, achieving dyeable shorts and thigh highs in a way that doesn't break the game for anyone. They already have the graphics and the thigh parts can plausibly pass as a stiff fabric rather than plate!

I also like how SpiritMuse showed the Succubus Horns on a man. Male bunnies have ears, yet male FFXIV characters can't have bunny ears. Meanwhile, succubi are by definition female-only yet the horns are unisex and look perfectly good on a guy. The inconsistency.

What about hairstyles though? I am advocating both glamours and hairstyles being equal and available despite gender.
I find it really unfair that the content of any sort is gated based on your in-game gender. I am not sure what the point of it is.
Look at this fanart male Lightning with Lightning's hairstyle, I mean... I'd like that too.
And even Y'shtola's attire that I originally bought when I played as female.. Come on.. No one can pull an 'absurd' card on those.

http://img03.deviantart.net/f1f8/i/2...an-dae6lcx.jpg


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Originally Posted by Pomelo

Lightning looks hot as a male *.*

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Originally Posted by Soge01

*Steals that pic*
Now to add it to my Lightning collection...! >:3 /hit
She does look hot as a guy. Whether girl or boy, Lightning always looks good! B3

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I know this is off-topic, and I apologise, but I figured you guys might like more stuff (read: food for the eyes) by the artist who painted the male Lightning.
http://sakimichan.deviantart.com/gallery/

Also a fair point; the trigger for the latest campaigning was, after all, an outfit which gave female characters access to a bonus premium hair style (which also makes no sense for those with female characters in a different way, but at least they have the choice).

My character looks very feminine indeed with the recent bun updo that was added a few patches ago; it looks like something his grandmother would wear! But having the option is pretty great for those who think it suits their character, and I know those with female characters want access to lots of short hairstyles just as much as men want the option for more delicate styles. I'm sure unlocking the HW Y'shtola, HW Thancred and Minfilia hair (plus Snow/Lightning) would be well received.

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Originally Posted by Synrin

What about hairstyles though? I am advocating both glamours and hairstyles being equal and available despite gender.
I find it really unfair that the content of any sort is gated based on your in-game gender. I am not sure what the point of it is.
Look at this fanart male Lightning with Lightning's hairstyle, I mean... I'd like that too.
And even Y'shtola's attire that I originally bought when I played as female.. Come on.. No one can pull an 'absurd' card on those.

http://img03.deviantart.net/f1f8/i/2...an-dae6lcx.jpg

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Nooooo thanks. Lightning should stay Lightning. :D

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Nooooo thanks. Lightning should stay Lightning. :D

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Isn't it kind of two-faced then that females got the Aymeric hairstyle?

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Nooooo thanks. Lightning should stay Lightning. :D

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Lightning will always be Lightning? What kind of statement is this? The attributes to the hair of Lightning is defined by the gender of the character and not the look?

Lightning looks hot as a male *.*

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

Lightning looks hot as a male *.*

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She's a final fantasy charicter all males are reverse engineered females

*Steals that pic*
Now to add it to my Lightning collection...! >:3 /hit
She does look hot as a guy. Whether girl or boy, Lightning always looks good! B3

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That top of Lightning's in that pic should be made for both male and female characters. I always wanted to wear that version of Lightning's outfit and seeing her as a male it'd looked perfect on guys , too! ^3^

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Originally Posted by Synrin

Isn't it kind of two-faced then that females got the Aymeric hairstyle?

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I dont know. I like Lightning as she is. Wouldnt want to see a female Cloud or Squall either. Right now we're comparing an important NPC in the MSQ of FFXIV with a Protagonist of a whole trilogy which got even into fashion ads. Its just my opinion and liking. I wouldnt like to see people running ingame like a male version of Lightning.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I dont know. I like Lightning as she is. Wouldnt want to see a female Cloud or Squall either. Right now we're comparing an important NPC in the MSQ of FFXIV with a Protagonist of a whole trilogy which got even into fashion ads. Its just my opinion and liking. I wouldnt like to see people running ingame like a male version of Lightning.

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Cloud, Wild Rose, Squall, and that other one.. Tantalus set are already for both genders though..

So we have girl Clouds and Squalls already.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I dont know. I like Lightning as she is. Wouldnt want to see a female Cloud or Squall either. Right now we're comparing an important NPC in the MSQ of FFXIV with a Protagonist of a whole trilogy which got even into fashion ads. Its just my opinion and liking. I wouldnt like to see people running ingame like a male version of Lightning.

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We however do have female Clouds running around somewhere: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...em/4eca24f8d0c

EDIT: Just saw the poster above me was faster. Damn it. :D

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I dont know. I like Lightning as she is. Wouldnt want to see a female Cloud or Squall either.

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1. Cloud canonically crossdresses in FF VII and the devs behind the remake have confirmed that aspect of the game will still be present in said remake.
2. Tetsuya Nomura designed Lighting with the goal of making her look like a beautiful woman version of Cloud at the request of Toriyama
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http://i.imgur.com/7ruYRzq.png

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Originally Posted by Synrin

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While Im not saying those are all wrong facts and that you are also right with what you counted up, there is still a difference how players would go with their own preferences and character designs. I want the game to stay with its aestethics as it is. You are right, females can wear the stuff from Cloud and Squall. But there is still a difference how the characters will look with players likes and given limits.

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Originally Posted by Texa

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All you summed up is technically something with proper aesthetics or in a funny manner. Now turn this picture into a male Roegadyn with pink Lightning hair and tight female clothes or even a dress, skirt whatever. Big difference right?
And another thing; in FFVII Soldier Clothes weren't meant for Cloud or male figures only.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

All you summed up is technically something with proper aesthetics or in a funny manner. Now turn this picture into a male Roegadyn with pink Lightning hair and tight female clothes or even a dress, skirt whatever. Big difference right?
And another thing; in FFVII Soldier Clothes weren't meant for Cloud or male figures only.

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A green roe would look fantastic with pink lightning hair the contrast between colors would certainly highlight his handsome features. Do you even know color theory?

You are right about the tight clothes though. Roes should be shirtless for most occasions so that all players can admire their impressive physique.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

Believe in the cause? Sure. I can't see any reason for the restrictions.

That said, I abhor the entire Glamour system. It has severely damaged my ability to become properly immersed in the game. There's nothing like seeing some moron bunny-hopping about town in a bikini to make me remember I'm playing a game, and one that is far goofier than I'd like.

I wonder if SE would consider an option to let us turn OFF other people's Glamours, as far as our personal view is concerned...

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There's an NPC called Butt Stabber somewhere in the game I've heard. Sometimes you just gotta let the immersion breaking stuff slide off of you (or go to a server more known for RP; I personally love RPing my character even in the more hardcore of groups). (Also, I'm a die-hard LARPer; I've been trained to more or less ignore bad costuming.)

That all being said, if Squenix is looking to remove a bunch of code (I'm also a software engineer on a Gameplay team at a different company, so this is basically where I live and breathe) the restrictions on the glamour system is basically a good place to start.

Ya'know, in case any team leads happen upon this thread.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

While Im not saying those are all wrong facts and that you are also right with what you counted up, there is still a difference how players would go with their own preferences and character designs. I want the game to stay with its aestethics as it is. You are right, females can wear the stuff from Cloud and Squall. But there is still a difference how the characters will look with players likes and given limits.


All you summed up is technically something with proper aesthetics or in a funny manner. Now turn this picture into a male Roegadyn with pink Lightning hair and tight female clothes or even a dress, skirt whatever. Big difference right?
And another thing; in FFVII Soldier Clothes weren't meant for Cloud or male figures only.

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But a gender-restricted item (or hairstyle for that matter) or two won't make a difference. People who want to look ridiculous already do look ridiculous. So yeah...

I love Synrin's signature image.

Anyway, new page so I'll keep the theme going with another AF set. This time, Summoner! I really like this set overall, it's a beautiful aesthetic and nothing like most of the other gear in the game. That said, it's basically a miniskirt and some strappy ribbon-bedecked ornaments - not something the manliest of today's manly men might have hoped for. And not unlike the female-only Thavnairian set, when whittled down to its core components like that.

http://i.imgur.com/4fUZHY3.jpg

(Sorry that I failed to match the ribbon colours. It bothers me too, but I didn't have much time today.)

The set is slightly less ribbon-y with the proper legs in place, which sort of bothers me because they went to the trouble of modelling those gorgeous leg ribbons then hid them away under pretty cloth where they never get seen, but it's still a neverending panty shot opportunity for anyone with a character shorter than me. Which is almost everyone on my server :/

http://i.imgur.com/Wy8rCgt.jpg

Also note the presence of bows, the decoration which was apparently so overtly girly it denied us the Spring Skirt entirely.

http://i.imgur.com/J3PLd8u.png

We just had to join in on the fun.

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Originally Posted by MisterLucie

We just had to join in on the fun.

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LOVE YOU GUYS!

http://i.imgur.com/EaJB40w.jpg

Here's some Elezen thighs :3

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Originally Posted by Synrin

Here's some Elezen thighs :3

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https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers...3902-56-44.png

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Originally Posted by Lukha

In an effort to raise awareness of this issue and garner some attention from the Devs, while at the same time having a little fun, I'm going to post a screenshot a day of my (male) character in a girly glamour! Anyone who believes in this cause and likes fun is welcome to join me. Show SE that we want skirts on our gentlemen, and ladies for butlers!

All I ask is that you keep it civil, and include a screenshot in each post.

Here's my first entry, always a favorite outfit of mine though I am wearing pants in this one:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...psqge2zau5.png

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Do you have to?

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

Do you have to?

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I like how you posted once already saying you hope people ignore the thread...

...and then came back later, not ignoring the thread.

https://youtu.be/KOGry1YHb7A?t=3

Gonna ignore all the weird people who seem to have a serious problem with men in dresses, people asking for equal treatment and fun glamours and request something!

Can anyone of your lovely elezen (...or if must be any other guy, but you'll understand that I prefer my elezen <3) take on the quest of creating a glamour using the Flame Elite Loinscloth? (Obviously only avialeble when you're part of the imortal flames, but that you should be anyways - For Nanamo!)

To add a little story to my request... a friend of mine who really isnt into videogames isnt staying over atm and I made her take a look at the artbooks - when she found that specific set the Loincloth is belonging to, she aksed m if the picture in question was that of a man or a woman. Which lead me to tell her about this whole mess - her comment "Wow, thats so silly and stupid... why do you even have this problem? Are men that worried about not being manly enough?" (basically: Yes, seems like that).
Either way we figured it would make for a great bellydancer costume! And if guys cant have the Thavnairian Bustier we can at least still show everyone that they make great bellydancers never the less!

Although technically not a skirt, it still looks somewhat feminine. https://i.imgur.com/jIIEd51.jpg

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Do you have to?

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Yes! Thank you for your interest! You're welcome to hang out and post pictures of your character along with the rest of us; have fun with it.

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Wouldnt want to see a female Cloud or Squall either. [...] I wouldnt like to see people running ingame like a male version of Lightning.

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1. Female characters in this game can already dress up as Cloud and Squall.
2. If Cloud puts some effort into getting dressed up, he makes a hot enough girl that the local mob boss actually picks him over Aerith and Tifa.
3. Some of the modelling work Lightning did was for male fashion lines, so SE clearly doesn't mind crossing that line.
4. Regardless, Lightning's clothing from XIII was a Guardian Corps uniform, for which a male design exists, so the discontent at the lack of a male version is pretty understandable.

Double posting to keep pictures and discussion separate, sorry!

As requested, the Flame Elite Loincloth. I'm sorry I'm not an Elezen, but hopefully a Miqo'te isn't too disappointing.

This outfit makes Lukh'a feel a bit shy
http://i.imgur.com/uScoC4T.png
But he's okay once he starts dancing
http://i.imgur.com/tLJ8x5W.png
http://i.imgur.com/OWXUtMX.png

I feel like he looks younger than usual in this outfit/hairstyle.
http://i.imgur.com/xu99pR3.png

That's gorgeous...

Sadly I cannot help with Elezen pictures; glamour equality is important to me but I pledged my loyalty to the Admiral until the sea swallows all!

I wanted to be a sailor scout at some point! (I actually wore that glamour for a week, was fun to poke people for reactions!) (Old picture btw!)

http://i.imgur.com/enNhWgs.png

I mean, I wouldn't wear that irl, but what are pixels gonna do? Welcome to my fantasy haha. I just don't get what people get flustered easily to that.

Thought i'd join in as well (so limited in terms of mini skirts >_< wish no pants with it )
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9921/image.jpg

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Thought i'd join in as well (so limited in terms of mini skirts >_< wish no pants with it )

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try uraeus skirt

http://i.imgur.com/yfqliWu.png

ooh ty ^^
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