Everything to know about 4.0 from the Fan Fest

Its not like 72 hour stuff hasn't been done before in this game. S ranks and Odin/Behemoth have a cd around that time if I'm not mistaken.

red monk girl is maybe Ida related,
Ida's father was resistance head officer, they fled from Ala Mhigo. So maybe they were separated from that girl during they flee. She is maybe head resistance or a chieftain resistance in Ala Migho side

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

Its not like 72 hour stuff hasn't been done before in this game. S ranks and Odin/Behemoth have a cd around that time if I'm not mistaken.

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I've only ever gotten to do Odin 4 times in 3 years. Mainly because nobody ever shouts it's up, or not enough are there to kill him. My concern is tying a Relic step to that formula.

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I keep seeing people saying this zone is akin to something from FFXI. I never played XI, were relics able to be completed without having to do this stuff?

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Relics used to be pure masochism to get, but no, NM camping with ludicrous spawn times, abysmal drop rates, and competition between multiple alliances and RMT bots to get claim were not part of it.

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

I keep seeing people saying this zone is akin to something from FFXI. I never played XI, were relics able to be completed without having to do this stuff?

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Relics were a major pain in the ass. You went into zones called Dynamis which were alternate reality replicas of other zones, including the starter cities, but they took place in a reality where the evil forces had won the Great War. The zones were filled with beastmen. They were incredibly strong and most linkshells took a full alliance or more of 18 people in to topple the zone. It was instanced and there were various NMs which you could kill that would drop relic armor. Everything would also drop beastmen currency in values of 1 or rarely 100 and you needed an absolute metric ton of beastmen currency to build a relic. I know the last step alone required 10,000 or so and there were 4-5 steps if I remember right. You also had to get certain drops from high level spawned monsters in certain Dynamis zones. Most linkshells never built even 1 relic for anyone, while there are others which managed to build several for different people.

The payoff of all this, though, was that while a relic took literal years to acquire, they were the top of the top weapons for the better part of a decade (or longer if you continued to upgrade them). They radically changed the capabilities of some classes (for example Dark Knight was a heavy DPS with paper thin defense. Relic DRKs would tank high end encounters) and you would easily use a relic for several years without having to worry about any other weapons.

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Originally Posted by Deedsie

Relics used to be pure masochism to get, but no, NM camping with ludicrous spawn times, abysmal drop rates, and competition between multiple alliances and RMT bots to get claim were not part of it.

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Not spawn times, but Abyssea did require the slaying of hundreds of NMs to get your Empyrean weapon.

Mythic also required you kill HNMs. Those were on a long spawn timer.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Not spawn times, but Abyssea did require the slaying of hundreds of NMs to get your Empyrean weapon.

Mythic also required you kill HNMs. Those were on a long spawn timer.

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I was addressing relics specifically. Mythic and Empyrean weapons are undoubtedly tougher to get.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Disappointing that they don't care about Western audiences enough to give us even one non-cute race.

Oh and dropping PS3 support, as that means they won't have the stupid "not enough memory" excuse to fall back on.

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Indeed, so because one audience doesn't care much no audience should get them? But it's not surprising really, they barely even listen to other audiences anyway; usually only bringing them up when they have something to sell them, or when to blame for certain stuff the listened to audience complains about.

Don't worry, a new limitation, restriction, issue, etc. will show up before long.

[as a promise to myself this shall be the only negative post I make today]

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Originally Posted by Dement

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Thank you for the info, it made for an interesting read.

I mean I guess I'd be for that if I never had to worry about another weapon again, ever. Just building on the same one, without having to start a brand new one each expansion.

The Dancer in the Stormblood Trailer is Yda. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuwKAGaWgAAWb8A.jpg

This Relic thing is sounding like a ftp type of treadmill, ala Neverwinter refining.
Sure, there's this promised pot of gold at the end of the road.
But in actuality the road is littered with roadblocks, stalling mechanics, extended cooldown timers, meaning that it's completely mythical for people who actually have a work/social life outside the game.
I hope I'm reading this wrong with the 72hr zerg fest, slight chance of getting something if you can actually get in to do it, then rinse and repeat groundhog days for weeks and weeks and weeks - sounds fun......

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Sama

The Dancer in the Stormblood Trailer is Yda.

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Other than the costume, I don't think anything in the CS screams Dancer. When they start their battle, she takes the same stance as the WoL MNK. They trade blow for blow, perfectly countering each other. At 1:22 the sound effect indicates that she did Howling Fist before the WoL (whose hand is surrounded by wind) throws a punch that does the exact same sound effect. The only thing the trailer indicates to me is that the WoL is a terrible MNK. He uses Fists of Wind at the end and she uses Fists of Fire like a good MNK.

Edit: at 1:53 https://youtu.be/mAobb8_SzHY?t=113, she even throws a knee which looks almost exactly like the iconic image of the MNK concept art: http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/me...oncept_art.jpg

I'm still gunning that the girl is indeed a DNCER from the trailer because while shes fighting our derplander mnk after she punched hard but blocks. She jumps back and does a VISIBLE jig before attacking again. So I am still going to say DNCER. Maybe with Puglist -> class to Mnk or DNC. Similar to SCH and SMN

Besides just from how she moves, and how her hands are in the cutscenes - how fluid her movements. It screams dancer to me.

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Sama

The Dancer in the Stormblood Trailer is Yda. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuwKAGaWgAAWb8A.jpg

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They look similar but she lacks the Archon tattoos on her neck.

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

I'm still gunning that the girl is indeed a DNCER. from the trailer because while shes fighting our derplander mnk she does a jig and then attacks. So I am still going to say DNCER. Maybe with Puglist -> class to Mnk or DNC. Similar to SCH and SMN.

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I thought they said ACN was a failed experiment and they won't be splitting multiple jobs from a single class again because of the pain of balancing? D:

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Originally Posted by ThirdKeyOfSun

I thought they said ACN was a failed experiment and they won't be splitting multiple jobs from a single class again because of the pain of balancing? D:

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To be fair, arcanist failed because it split into a healer and a dps, so it had to have skills for both (and balancing the stat points was a bit of a pain). Should MNK and DNC both be DPS, that would help. The skill system revamp...might also help? I'm not sure how it works.

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Originally Posted by ThirdKeyOfSun

I thought they said ACN was a failed experiment and they won't be splitting multiple jobs from a single class again because of the pain of balancing? D:

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This and they seem to be trying to distance themselves as far as possible from the class system as a whole. Especially considering that Heavensward jobs didn't even have classes, I highly doubt Stormsblood jobs will suddenly have base classes again.

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Originally Posted by ThirdKeyOfSun

I thought they said ACN was a failed experiment and they won't be splitting multiple jobs from a single class again because of the pain of balancing? D:

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revamped battle system - Is what im pulling straws at, but it could be totally wrong lol. I just keep hopes in mind




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Back on the trailer. The other reason that bothers me that she isn't a MNK is mnks fight with closed fists similar to how the derplander is doing. But when you pause her movements she is fighting with her hand flat like a knife similar to a flourish. so It bothers me. I don't see her as a mnk. its just odd.

Well maybe she is. I dont know its just strange that Yoshi would say the derplander is a mnk but would not say they are both mnks.

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Originally Posted by Naria

They look similar but she lacks the Archon tattoos on her neck.

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We also never fought Hraesvelger on the Steps of Faith, as the Heavensward teaser showed us. These trailers aren't made by the devs, so something as small as a tattoo could easily be forgotten or lost in development.

A 4th Residential Area to be added. Where? "Sorry, can't tell ya." This was in the reddit post. Does this mean Ishgard housing that disappeared from 3.4 to be dead?

Next 16 weeks (not 3 months) from 3.4 would probably be 3.5 that puts it right at the start of January. Means June for summer is 20 weeks at the earliest, that is at least 5 months between a Major content update. Didn't another game get killed for that kind of patch cycle?


More inventory will be great. But doesn't it sound like a wet blanket, There is uncertainty in how this will be implemented due to the server needs. Isn't that what we have heard since the end of 2.0 Instead of trying to make more inventory space wouldn't better management of items seem more reasonable. With the PS3 going away shouldn't wardrobe type things everyone keeps telling me how awesome in other games be more reasonable. Also do we need 5 types of blood and all the different types of sand streamlining mats and recipes all the way up to 60 would go a long way.

I hope the animations and general feel of combat is smoother in Stormblood, because it just feels a bit weak compared to other MMOs at the moment.

Haha I thought it was funny. Guy in audience asked how she fights with ribbons and they cut him off and go to someone else.

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Originally Posted by Naria

They look similar but she lacks the Archon tattoos on her neck.

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It's been hinted that Yda isn't exactly who she is saying she is. Papalymo also knows stuff about her, too, that he doesn't share for reasons as well as there being that whole being found in the Shroud thing.

Just saying, don't be surprised if she wipes them tattoos off and Papalymo reveals who she really is (totally an Ala Mhigan princess or high maiden of the Fists of Rhalgr... possibly daughter of the master of the temple).

Have they discussed skill pruning and/or consolidation for 4.0?

Does anyone have a picture of the 2 "new job" silhouettes?

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Originally Posted by OMG

Have they discussed skill pruning and/or consolidation for 4.0?

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Yes. They confirmed it will happen, but didn't specify any skills. Likely candidates are Featherfoot, Feint and etc.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

A 4th Residential Area to be added. Where? "Sorry, can't tell ya." This was in the reddit post. Does this mean Ishgard housing that disappeared from 3.4 to be dead?

Next 16 weeks (not 3 months) from 3.4 would probably be 3.5 that puts it right at the start of January. Means June for summer is 20 weeks at the earliest, that is at least 5 months between a Major content update. Didn't another game get killed for that kind of patch cycle?


More inventory will be great. But doesn't it sound like a wet blanket, There is uncertainty in how this will be implemented due to the server needs. Isn't that what we have heard since the end of 2.0 Instead of trying to make more inventory space wouldn't better management of items seem more reasonable. With the PS3 going away shouldn't wardrobe type things everyone keeps telling me how awesome in other games be more reasonable. Also do we need 5 types of blood and all the different types of sand streamlining mats and recipes all the way up to 60 would go a long way.

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They will almost certainly follow the same format they did leading up to Heavensward. Therefore, we'll have 3.5 in very early January and 3.55 sometime in April. Unlike usual .5 updates, this will be more substantial (i.e 2.55)

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Originally Posted by Nibb

Does anyone have a picture of the 2 "new job" silhouettes?

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https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...31&oe=589D7C7D

not a very good hint imo

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Originally Posted by AstralKaos

It's been hinted that Yda isn't exactly who she is saying she is. Papalymo also knows stuff about her, too, that he doesn't share for reasons as well as there being that whole being found in the Shroud thing.

Just saying, don't be surprised if she wipes them tattoos off and Papalymo reveals who she really is (totally an Ala Mhigan princess or high maiden of the Fists of Rhalgr... possibly daughter of the master of the temple).

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She's so not that derp, Yda.

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Originally Posted by Nibb

Does anyone have a picture of the 2 "new job" silhouettes?

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https://twitter.com/Eanae/status/786...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

No "job" silhouettes to me, they look like they are just 2 hyurs in starting gear.

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Originally Posted by Dement

Other than the costume, I don't think anything in the CS screams Dancer. When they start their battle, she takes the same stance as the WoL MNK. They trade blow for blow, perfectly countering each other. At 1:22 the sound effect indicates that she did Howling Fist before the WoL (whose hand is surrounded by wind) throws a punch that does the exact same sound effect. The only thing the trailer indicates to me is that the WoL is a terrible MNK. He uses Fists of Wind at the end and she uses Fists of Fire like a good MNK.

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since they are redesigning skills, who knows :)
aside from a few skills, their fight is nothing like in-game mnk, though; it's just a flashy teaser.

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Originally Posted by AstralKaos

Indeed, so because one audience doesn't care much no audience should get them? But it's not surprising really, they barely even listen to other audiences anyway; usually only bringing them up when they have something to sell them, or when to blame for certain stuff the listened to audience complains about.

Don't worry, a new limitation, restriction, issue, etc. will show up before long.

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They haven't announed any new race, neither cute nor uncute. So what's the fuss about?
Also, it's a well known fact that Roes and Highlanders are a notable minority, especially the former. Are people seriously mad that SE doesn't release yet another race that very few people will play? How does this even work from a logical point of view?

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

I'm still gunning that the girl is indeed a DNCER from the trailer because while shes fighting our derplander mnk after she punched hard but blocks. She jumps back and does a VISIBLE jig before attacking again. So I am still going to say DNCER. Maybe with Puglist -> class to Mnk or DNC. Similar to SCH and SMN

Besides just from how she moves, and how her hands are in the cutscenes - how fluid her movements. It screams dancer to me.

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uh, the entire theme of the expansion is centered around ala mhigo, which is kingdom of monks.
also as you can see from other posts, that's probably Yda...who is MNK, not DNC.
martial arts is like a dance, and she clearly does a martial arts pose, before attacking.
why would derplander train as a mnk, and fight a dnc, in a very typical martial arts scene??

Those tattoos the Archons have are Sharlayan marks that indicate a level of prowess and expertise in a field among Sharlayan Scholars. It has always seemed strange for Yda to have them. Of all the Scions, Yda has never come across as someone with a scholarly bend. If she is in hiding she might have the tattoos to throw anyone else of the trail.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

uh, the entire theme of the expansion is centered around ala mhigo, which is kingdom of monks.
also as you can see from other posts, that's probably Yda...who is MNK, not DNC.
martial arts is like a dance, and she clearly does a martial arts pose, before attacking.
why would derplander train as a mnk, and fight a dnc, in a very typical martial arts scene??

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To be fair, Thancred used to be a gladiator.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Also, it's a well known fact that Roes and Highlanders are a notable minority, especially the former.

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That's like saying:"It's a well known fact Gnomes and Goblins are a notable minority, so Lalafell could never be popular." MEANWHILE...

How does "that" work from a logical point of view...?

pls gibe viera for the love of the Twelve please

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

They haven't announed any new race, neither cute nor uncute. So what's the fuss about?
Also, it's a well known fact that Roes and Highlanders are a notable minority, especially the former. Are people seriously mad that SE doesn't release yet another race that very few people will play? How does this even work from a logical point of view?

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I'd like to point out that my annoyance is aimed at the "because Japan don't like them" and not the fact there's not an "ugly" race being added.

And as for the "ugly" being played, I think the most revolting and silly thing gets played quite a lot, and that is male Au Ra, so people will play ugly things mostly from a male characters side. Not that I give a damn about ugly or otherwise races being added, I am eternally staying Miqo'te.

Feels a bit too much like the same rotation of content we've seen in 2.x and 3.x ...
But i am at least enjoying the quality, and so that's fine... i just, will this game ever have an endgame? lol
But still, totally excited for this. And THANK GOD the PS3 is going away. :D

Overall very encouraged, but not overwhelmed. Excited.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Disappointing that they don't care about Western audiences enough to give us even one non-cute race.

Interested in learning more about Ala Mhigo. That and the inventory expansion are pretty much the two things I'm looking forward to at this point.

Oh and dropping PS3 support, as that means they won't have the stupid "not enough memory" excuse to fall back on.

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Have you considered not enough NA audiences like "ugly" races either? They may have specified JP but that doesn't necessarily mean NA/EU likes them much either. Personally, I almost always avoid overly beast centric races in games because I don't find that aesthetic appealing. So if presented with the option, I'll vote against something akin to beast tribe looks. Granted, I don't want any new races as I'd rather more customization for the existing ones.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

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To test your abilities? You don't have to fight the same class to train. Besides if you pause it looks like she has a blade. You can see the slashing. It similar to the image of does on the please look forward to it!
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/...qov1ux9MjdgWDE
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...22-2007)-3.jpg

Just feels dncer to me. But If you want to say its a monk thats your opinion and I respect that. I just don't know why the wouldn't say they are both monks.

Besides it kind of looks like while he is focusing she kind of jumps him. and they go into a playful bout.