Can Cash Shop be a bit more reasonable

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Originally Posted by Zojha

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I'm pretty sure they would.

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That's a very beautiful picture of a Lalafell. If I had a million dollars I'd have bought that too.

All this talk about the Chinese dress, but not a single complaint about the fact that they locked an emote behind a $150 statue?

I mean, don't get me wrong, $150 is a perfectly fine price for the quality of the item, but I find locking an in-game emote behind an item of that $ amount pretty crass.

TBH I find locking digital items behind limited-quantity physical items crass overall, at least with a digital item in a digital store they never run out. Two years from now you'll still be able to get that Chinese dress (assuming ffxiv sticks around), but good ****ing luck trying to get the Odin emote or a soundtrack pet.

That said it'd be nice if for $18 you got the Chinese dress on all characters and not just one ;_; JMO obviously.

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Originally Posted by Inori-Yuzuriha

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Pick your rebuttal:
-But the collectors of such things!
-That's not the point, it's the principle of the thing!
-Something something armchair economics
-Something something free to play games

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Originally Posted by Inori-Yuzuriha

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Good job. You can read the name of section on mogstation. That's not what this topic is about tho.

Well December is just around the corner, so maybe we'll see a slight sale on the newer stuff.

I'm hoping some of the newer things go on sale. I like the mount and the Chinese dress, but it's starting to get to the point that I can't justify the most recent prices with how I would use the items in game.

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Originally Posted by Kerii

This is only true because of a technicality. You have to pay the subscription fee to access to the game regardless of whether or not you buy these items. The same could be considered true of a movie theater's concession stand. You can't simply go in, buy concessions, and leave. You have to buy a ticket before you can enter and buy concessions.

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I have to make a statement about the movie theater comment...


The local theater here will gladly allow you to go in just to buy concession items.




The thing most people don't realise about movie theaters...

Ticket sales?
That goes to the movie companies.

Theaters make very little, if anything, on ticket sales.


Concessions is the only way they actually make any money.

I've always been a little shocked (disgusted is far too strong of a word) with the price of things like mounts or the cost for full sets of a few glamour items (not referring to the China exclusive stuff). It really is rather expensive by an objective analysis. Notice, I did not say anything about personal "value". I claim it objective because you can relate costs by what you get from paying for the game itself. By comparing what you can get or do in the game from spending a single months sub fee.

Obviously, cash shop costs are going to be significantly higher by the cent if we broke it down between game costs and sub fees, and that's fine. But the fact that account-wide items like that fat moogle mount is $30, Sleipnir is $25, etc, is rather ridiculous for games like XIV. Part of the reason why WoW can get away with it is because of the fact that most players have multiple characters. You can divide the costs per character, if you really need to justify your expenses. XIV does not, in any really encouraged way, promote the "need" to play other characters to experience the game for its content (e.g. experiencing the game as a healer, dps, tank, whatever).

I can certainly get behind a $12 cost mount, as is how they've charged for the Magitek color palette ones. If the cost variance is mostly because those are single character, rather than account wide like the others, I'd rather they at least offer that as an option. Account wide for $25-30, single character for half that.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

This is a silly thing to say. They already have a system in place for delivering new hairstyles: adding them to character creation/the aesthetician. I HIGHLY doubt people would have complained about that. I also doubt people would complain much if costumes were added to the Gold Saucer... there are already costumes there, so it makes sense.

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You didn't catch what I was saying. I didn't say people would complain if they added it to the CC. Thats what they wanted. I can see people complaining if all of the hair but one was given tho and they would have to grind to get it. OH you mean like NOW? Cause thats what they DID. You don't need to take my word for it.. there's an entire thread about it. :/ You or I wouldn't complain but SOMEONE would. And that was my point... there's nothing they could do as SOMEONE or a group of someones WILL complain. It's sad yes, but it'll never stop.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

The local theater here will gladly allow you to go in just to buy concession items.

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I was going to say this about that analogy but I didn't want to break the poor souls heart. Any movie theater would probably go out of their way to allow you to buy their quadrupled priced M&M's.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

This is a silly thing to say. They already have a system in place for delivering new hairstyles: adding them to character creation/the aesthetician. I HIGHLY doubt people would have complained about that. I also doubt people would complain much if costumes were added to the Gold Saucer... there are already costumes there, so it makes sense.

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People would have. Regardless of what you do, someone will always complain about something. Personally, I like to relax and walk around in the gold saucer, but I absolutely refuse to do most of the content because it's just not fun to me. I like to collect music. I was royally pissed when I found out that to get quite a few songs, I had to grind out the saucer through GATEs and cactpots. It took me roughly 5 weeks to get enough gmp to buy all of the songs. Worse, I'd really like the Gamblers set, but I have to accept I'll never have it, because I hate the associated content.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

I was royally pissed when I found out that to get quite a few songs, I had to grind out the saucer through GATEs and cactpots. It took me roughly 5 weeks to get enough gmp to buy all of the songs. Worse, I'd really like the Gamblers set, but I have to accept I'll never have it, because I hate the associated content.

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Find a friend and just do the Triple Triad challenges together. I was able to easily get the costume items I want from the GC doing that. I'm with you in that I'm not particularly fond of the other mini games, but at least my husband and I can have fun doing TT matches against each other and pretty quickly accrue the needed points.

That said, I much prefer items being obtained from content in-game than being asked to shell out extra money on top of a sub in order to get something.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Find a friend and just do the Triple Triad challenges together. I was able to easily get the costume items I want from the GC doing that. I'm with you in that I'm not particularly fond of the other mini games, but at least my husband and I can have fun doing TT matches against each other and pretty quickly accrue the needed points.

That said, I much prefer items being obtained from content in-game than being asked to shell out extra money on top of a sub in order to get something.

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I hate TT. Pretty much the only cards I have are the one and two stars that drop from content and that is it. In order for me to actually win at triple triad, I'd have to beg them to use a deck of nothing but 1 star cards and pray that they'll let me cheese a victory. And still, it's the principle of the thing. Why should I grind content I don't like doing for stuff I want? The only content I 'sorta' enjoy are GATEs, but I can't farm them on end because I'm always running battle content.

Honest question, what do you think is worse? Grinding for gear you'll use for five minutes then throw on your retainer and forget about, or paying a pittance so you can have the item you want and still do the content you enjoy?

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Honest question, what do you think is worse? Grinding for gear you'll use for five minutes then throw on your retainer and forget about, or paying a pittance so you can have the item you want and still do the content you enjoy?

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They're not asking us to pay a pittance. They're asking us to pay for every single character we want an outfit on at prices rather higher than other MMOs sell them for. On top of the $15/mo we give them already.

So yes, I prefer getting gear in-game.

(By the way, you can just have a friend throw the match to you. It's not that hard.)

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Originally Posted by Naunet

(By the way, you can just have a friend throw the match to you. It's not that hard.)

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

I'd have to beg them to use a deck of nothing but 1 star cards and pray that they'll let me cheese a victory. And still, it's the principle of the thing.

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Believe it or not, I absolutely hate begging. Asking a friend to throw the match is, in my opinion, insulting to both me and them.

Begging is extremely high on the list of things I'd never do.

((That, and I know for a fact I'd never live it down if I did. Nothnx.))

I think you're putting way too much moral propriety on a silly task needed to earn points for some video game pixels. xD My husband and I trade wins with each other all the time to get our TT challenges. It's really not that big a deal. It's not begging lol.

I was more talking about the fact I'd be mocked to no end by doing that, since I'd only use it for five minutes tops. However, that still does nothing about the fact I absolutely hate triple triad.

If you'd be mocked for doing something to get an item you wanted... that says more about your "friends" than the game design, to be honest. I'm sorry. :(

I find the outfits in game to be much better, you can be more creative with them, you'll just end up looking like every other person buying/wearing the hot new flavor of the week thing. (How many people even ride bennu's anymore? That was flavor of the hour)
The only things I've bought are Lightning's outfit + Blazefire Sabre, Odin's mount and the Y'shtola outfit (Original) and I regret all four purchases. Going to just continue supporting the game through my subscription.

The Lightning outfit hurts the most, wore it to take some roleplaying pictures fighting Dreadnoughts for an hour when I realized I literally own FFXIII can just take screenshots from steam.

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Originally Posted by Kohta

. You're paying $30 to look like a Grand Summoner who in reality can't summon more than a green farting toe nail. That's okay, I'd give a F2P my money and get a lot more out of it any day at this rate, I am slowly breaking away from this game as the true colors seep through the paper.

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And it was this post that saved me $40 (Aussie prices :c) as much as I love Yuna, I wont be paying for the outfit w/ the minion
Sorry Yoshida, I wont be paying for your castle this year.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

I find the outfits in game to be much better, you can be more creative with them, you'll just end up looking like every other person buying/wearing the hot new flavor of the week thing. (How many people even ride bennu's anymore? That was flavor of the hour)
The only things I've bought are Lightning's outfit + Blazefire Sabre, Odin's mount and the Y'shtola outfit (Original) and I regret all four purchases. Going to just continue supporting the game through my subscription.

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We learn through our mistakes. I've spent a lot more money than I care to recall on WoWs cash shop and services. Likewise with some F2P games... ugh. I relate it to unnecessary purchases on Amazon. Why the crap do I need the 12 different battery backups for devices that I bought over time!?

That's really the danger with digital transactions. If we're comfortable with spending, we don't really fully grasp how much we lose until hindsight kicks in lol. I'm sure if I had all that money I regret spending in cash, prior to spending it, at least some of it would have never happened.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I was going to say this about that analogy but I didn't want to break the poor souls heart. Any movie theater would probably go out of their way to allow you to buy their quadrupled priced M&M's.

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Also my thought. I straight up go in and purchase popcorn with extra butter from time to time (mmm fresh popcorn). I haven't seen a movie in theaters in yeaarrrssss.

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Originally Posted by SessionZero

Yet most of the games you listed don't even have half the playerbase of games like WoW and FFXIV. Why? Back when TESO was sub based it was an utterly unplayable garbage mess. Now it's at least playable, but still boring. Blade and Soul and BDO are garbage KMMO grindfests. TERA is a patch simulator. WildStar is In-Game Advertisements... In Space!

Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. Either you sub for a good gaming experience + optional cash shop, or you don't sub for what basically amounts to a polished up browser game.

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Except I find FFXIV incredibly boring lately, more so with more tomestones and more relic work in the garbage. Yet, somehow I am still enjoying Tera and exploring the classes. That's kind of how opinions work, though. You have yours and I have mine, doesn't mean either of us is wrong for it.

I guess my point is, I don't feel guilty that I haven't played Tera in 3 or 4 days because it's not running my bank every month.

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Originally Posted by Kohta

Except I find FFXIV incredibly boring lately, more so with more tomestones and more relic work in the garbage. Yet, somehow I am still enjoying Tera and exploring the classes. That's kind of how opinions work, though. You have yours and I have mine, doesn't mean either of us is wrong for it.

I guess my point is, I don't feel guilty that I haven't played Tera in 3 or 4 days because it's not running my bank every month.

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You're welcome to have your own opinion of what game is fun and what game isn't, I'm not saying you're wrong for liking those games. I was just pointing out that FFXIV still has an impressive player base when compared to those other free to play titles, and numbers pretty much speak for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

I find the outfits in game to be much better, you can be more creative with them, you'll just end up looking like every other person buying/wearing the hot new flavor of the week thing. (How many people even ride bennu's anymore? That was flavor of the hour)

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I still ride Bennu! I bought it not for the mount looks, but for the music it plays. T12 theme is one of my favourites, if not my actual favourite battle theme. I also love riding my Round Lanner (plays Heroes, from Thordan).

I hate cash shop, but I couldn't help but buy two sets...;)
it's one of the best outfit in this game IMO
http://i.imgur.com/RV1v5GU.png
http://i.imgur.com/pheX5ts.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZYx5nri.png

if this game is slowly turning into a F2P Chinese\Korean MMO,
let me have the last bit of fun before this game dies.


some pics of my FC mates， we came from FFXIV 1.x & FFXI,
http://i.imgur.com/f7ZFCWh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NedHuug.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xMoChaf.jpg


we had so much fun in FFXIV 1.2x,
http://i.imgur.com/vskdnYW.jpg


and we were very excited when ARR release,
http://i.imgur.com/y2uBa1S.jpg


but now, it's all gone. because group content is not exist in this game
(treasure hunt is joke & we don't have the time to raid),
to me, 2.0/3.0 is more like a single player game....glamour is the true end game in this game

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

I have to make a statement about the movie theater comment...


The local theater here will gladly allow you to go in just to buy concession items.




The thing most people don't realise about movie theaters...

Ticket sales?
That goes to the movie companies.

Theaters make very little, if anything, on ticket sales.


Concessions is the only way they actually make any money.

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Local theaters check ticket at hallway to the rooms, no ticket needed to go to concessions.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Local theaters check ticket at hallway to the rooms, no ticket needed to go to concessions.

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Since we're talking about movie theaters, its kinda funny that my local theater charges 4$ for a small bottle of water yet will give you water from that same bottled water in a cup for free.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Local theaters check ticket at hallway to the rooms, no ticket needed to go to concessions.

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My local theaters have the ticket booth and a ticket checker as the first thing and have to pass though both to get to anything behind them, including the concessions.

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

but now, it's all gone. because group content is not exist in this game
(treasure hunt is joke & we don't have the time to raid),
to me, 2.0/3.0 is more like a single player game....glamour is the true end game in this game

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1.0 (i.e. old school MMORPG format) relied heavily on a specific type of player mentality. The moment that cross realms/servers need to exist, or even to an extent just an automatic party builder, is the moment you'll almost always fail to recapture the old group mentality. That doesn't mean it can't exist currently in XIV, it just means it's not a given expectation to the random Joe that you come across. Most of us won't encounter a random "Want to help us do <content>?" that could actually interest us enough to join, and thus, an opportunity to meet fellow players on your server is gone. There's not much reason to join them since it's so easy to just queue solo, and chances are, most players you'd randomly get don't have much patience anyway.

You're not going to get that old successful community back anytime soon. That's just an unfortunate reality for most players (since most of us want it to happen to us, not us initiating it).

The community in this game is so segregated because the game is designed entirely around virtual connections, to join an FC, it's in a menu, to join a dungeon, queue and wait in a main city hub, gathering and crafting is; for the most part, done alone and quietly. Diadem was the only thing that tried to bring people together with making your own group and a common goal with other people, Diadem need to seriously be looked at and expanded on. I have gone entire dungeon runs without anyone saying a thing, I might as well play with A.I or just as well use my Summoner Pet, and at the end, they're gone as fast as they can. Wow, such community, might as well throw my keyboard away now.

More than anything, this is what I miss about FFXI, the community, while you find a old player here and there from FFXI, finding someone who wants to hold a conversation, laugh, be friends and do something besides queue up for the latest disaster, is difficult. Nothing innovative came out of the last patch either, that Klohe sticker book is far from what we needed, another reason to repeat 2-3 year old content. GG rip.