Targeting options. Please add it!

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Originally Posted by Felis

Then you do it wrong
Set your keyboard config right, there are useful target options for this situation:

Target Last Enemy to Attack You
Target Next Engaged Enemy
Target Previous Engaged Enemy

Give them a key

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A solid temporary fix, but they really need to adjust tabbing. We shouldn't have to play our keyboards like a piano to properly function in battle. Simply put it is counter intuitive. Especially so, they are supposedly all about a 'simplifying mechanics to where it doesn't require a manual' rehaul. I wish the reps would give us at least an update on this.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Set your keyboard config right, there are useful target options for this situation:

Target Last Enemy to Attack You
Target Next Engaged Enemy
Target Previous Engaged Enemy

Give them a key

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Can't map keys on gamepad. Those keys are not an excuse for broken targeting system.

Lets get this working for ver 1.21 Yoshi!

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

It is the weekend, But this thread has been open for over a month and nada.

LoL I even made a post about why the reps comment on threads that have no likelyhood of immediate impact on game play yet nothing on pressing issues. He commented on that thread....

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OMG, it's, ...it's, it's Mini-Me Logan( Wolverine )!!! XD

it sucks that yet another big patch is coming out and targeting still blows
it really ruins a lot of gameplay at times

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

OMG, it's, ...it's, it's Mini-Me Logan( Wolverine )!!! XD

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Fear the beard Chops!

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Fear the beard Chops!

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And a claw to the... Nuts, I forgot what I was going to type there.

Can't help but think how will all those PS3 users react when controller targeting sucks. Nip this in the bud before it's too late!

for patch 1.21 or 1.22, 1.23 or ver 2.0 ? when will it happen?

Bump a roo!

Patch 1.21 is right around the corner, any plans to add a better targeting system?

issues with targeting something on the edge of the draw distance before targeting something right in front of you came up multiple times while in a SH party today.

It's not too late to add it into patch 1.21 SE! you got 4 more weeks!

Maybe in time for patch 1.22?

Was playing black mage in Cutters Cry today. It really sucks when using a game pad and you go to target the Guadian thats right in front of you, but instead you get the soldier ant thats not within casting range.

This needs to be addressed in one form or another please.

Is targeting going to be updated in Ver 1.x Ver 2.0 or not at all?

Can we get a target priority option please?
Pretty please?
Pretty pretty please!?

I hope they will have it somewhere before 2.0. Adding it after 2.0 will be too late.

As a returning player I found this topic bcause of my frustration with targeting. Has there ever been a patch or response from the devs?

No. They better improve their targeting system with 2.0, it's one of the biggest nuisances of the battle system.
I stopped counting the times I had to cycle through ALL the targets before that damn thing finally targeted the mob that was in front of me the whole time.

Not to mention such nice quirks like still being able to target friendly mobs when your targeting filter is set to enemy only.

As still a rather recent player to the game, it some what annoys me that a current PC-only game has so many users using a game pad and from what I've been told by multiple people is that this game is DESIGNeD for gamepad users... wow. I find them a little sluggish, even when palying on consoles. Can we not get a little optimized for KEYBOARD users? I never had to even touch the mouse in XI, I was able to do everything via keybaord.

But now that that gripe is out of the way, is there a simple command to attack what a specific party member is targetting, such as /assist or an F key to target your battle target or even a /a <bt>? XI had a great targetting system and adapting to this one is just not happening for me, and it's been a few months that I've been playing now.

I'd consider myself a "hardcore" player in a few aspects, but I feel I'm being held back in this game with it's current system. I definitly need to look at the config when I get home, maybe there's just something I'm missing. I have no trouble solo'ing, but trying to pick out the battle target in a group is next to impossible (rather, I feel that 5-10 seconds of trying to find it really slows down the game). I feel one of my greatest downfalls regarding this game is I compare it to XI too often. I should really stop doing that! Haha.

I found that /assist "Player" is in the game

The fix for keyboard players is that you can actually set closest NPC/ enemy to an actual key through the targeting tab. You can also select engaged enemy, etc as well. With that specific tab, it takes away all my complaints to the targeting system.
This still doesn't fix the game pad players though, and the limited button option will always be a problem as well. I'm sure you could easily make a macro to solve this, however.... Seeing as the commands are in the game.

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Originally Posted by Chiper

As still a rather recent player to the game, it some what annoys me that a current PC-only game has so many users using a game pad and from what I've been told by multiple people is that this game is DESIGNeD for gamepad users... wow. I find them a little sluggish, even when palying on consoles. Can we not get a little optimized for KEYBOARD users? I never had to even touch the mouse in XI, I was able to do everything via keybaord.

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It's coming, with 2.0
keyboard optimized UI i mean

any info available on how target selection priority will work in ver 2.0?

Will it stay the same as it is now? Will we have options to choose from? will SE release a new controller that allows us to use our brain waves to select on screen targets?

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

any info available on how target selection priority will work in ver 2.0?

Will it stay the same as it is now? Will we have options to choose from? will SE release a new controller that allows us to use our brain waves to select on screen targets?

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From what's been shown in SS it looks like you'll be able to be more flexible with targeting options in the sense that you can easily make macros for it.

Since they have things like T=Tank, A=Attack S=Support you can set a person to tank then all the macros you have set to target tank will target the tank rather than having to type in the persons name for said macros.

This is going to be one of the things I will pester SE about in 2.0 beta if they don't fix it before that.

If they don't fix targeting monsters and players properly in 2.0 I swear to the gods I will
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...akKeyboard.gif

RAGE.

Just realized a couple of things that should be fixed as well:

- friendly skills should have their subtarget filter set to "friendly" automatically
- hostile skills should have their subtarget filter set to "enemy" automatically

Can't count the times I read the "xxx can not be casted on a friendly target"
ORLY?! Then why give me the option to select it as a target anyway?

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Just realized a couple of things that should be fixed as well:

- friendly skills should have their subtarget filter set to "friendly" automatically
- hostile skills should have their subtarget filter set to "enemy" automatically

Can't count the times I read the "xxx can not be casted on a friendly target"
ORLY?! Then why give me the option to select it as a target anyway?

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Yea I've been having this problem lately when doing caravans and hamlet. Even though I have the target mode set to Enemy, I am able to target the NPCs in the caravan with my damage spells which makes it difficult to intercept the enemies if they spawn right on top of the caravan.

The same thing happens in hamlets since there are NPCs everywhere there. The targeting modes work fine when you are trying to select a target the first time, but when using the sub-target, it doesn't work.

As someone who plays with a controller, I find it's faster to target myself to access the action bar, and then choose a target with the subtarget. It slows you down when you have to back out of the action bar, select a new target, then click your spell again. This is especially annoying in caravan when half the time the mobs are dead before you can even target one. I find myself using blizzara more than anything simply because I don't need to target anything to use it.

Please fix targeting modes so that they effect the subtarget as well.

fix.........

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Originally Posted by viion

And please give me an option to turn of "Target what is Targetting me", its SOOO annoying being forced to a specific target because its hitting me.

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heh why??!. that is quiet good how it is..

when you got attacked by someone he is already selected and you just need to press enter... and not tab and enter instead..
that makes real sense. im not sharing your opinion at all.

that is in most every MMO out of there..


but i agree with the OP.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Just realized a couple of things that should be fixed as well:

- friendly skills should have their subtarget filter set to "friendly" automatically
- hostile skills should have their subtarget filter set to "enemy" automatically

Can't count the times I read the "xxx can not be casted on a friendly target"
ORLY?! Then why give me the option to select it as a target anyway?

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??

but you first select the target you want to attack and then press the attack spell.. and not the way around that you first press fire for example and then press enter on any selected target?...
how do you play?

spaming fire spells regardless on which target, eh? XD

what would maybe be good, that you can have two target selections. a friendly target and a hostile target.. and then when you want to cure its casted on the friendly target, and when you want to cast a dd spell, its casted on your hostile target.

like the system in WAR

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Please fix targeting modes so that they effect the subtarget as well.

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I actually filed a bug report for this, and it got submitted, so maybe the way it works atm wasn't intended anyway.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

but you first select the target you want to attack and then press the attack spell.. and not the way around that you first press fire for example and then press enter on any selected target?...
how do you play?

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I often have myself selected for buffs, or have someone targeted for healing. When I then want to cast an offensive spells, I don't retarget but use subtarget instead - this is what it's for.

And in case of let's say, WAR/PLD, you will have your primary target, but will want to pull the ads with provoke, want to collusion/cover someone. With current subtargeting, you will still have to cycle through ALL the targets regardless of you being able to execute the skill on them or not.

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what would maybe be good, that you can have two target selections. a friendly target and a hostile target.. and then when you want to cure its casted on the friendly target, and when you want to cast a dd spell, its casted on your hostile target.

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That's pretty much what auto-setting the subtarget filter would do, I think having two targets selected would be a bit confusing to code and maybe even confusing for the player too.

Hey everyone!

While we will not be able to do much more for the target system in the current version, I would like to go over some improvements planned for 2.0.

When fighting multiple enemies, if you have ever found it difficult to target a monster you are not auto-attacking so you can execute an action on it; in version 2.0 we will be making it easier by allowing you to place the mouse over another target and execute actions on them. We will also add a similar system for gamepads and we are currently looking into the best way to implement this.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Just realized a couple of things that should be fixed as well:

- friendly skills should have their subtarget filter set to "friendly" automatically
- hostile skills should have their subtarget filter set to "enemy" automatically

Can't count the times I read the "xxx can not be casted on a friendly target"
ORLY?! Then why give me the option to select it as a target anyway?

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We will be making it so when you select an action to execute, irrelevant things are not targeted (ex: you will not target gathering points when selecting a magic spell) and it will be instantly executed for things that you do not need to press/confirm twice.

As mentioned in previous interviews, we will be totally revamping the gamepad controls in version 2.0, as well as preparing optimized UI and control methods for both gamepads and mouse/keyboard.

The current focus right now is on tuning and optimizing the mouse and keyboard controls to make it feel like modern day MMOs. We will definitely be looking forward to the feedback we receive once everyone tries out the new control functions during the upcoming beta test! :o

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey everyone!

While we will not be able to do much more for the target system in the current version, I would like to go over some improvements planned for 2.0.
(and bunch of other stuff that has nothing o do with the OP)

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While mouse over targeting in ver 2.0 is great, you completely avoided the original post, Will we be able to have an option to have PRIORITY of our targets go from left<->right regardless of distance to something more practical like left<->right:closest to furthest

Right now in game, it's difficult to target something that is to the left of you and slightly ahead when there are targets more midline to your character but completely out of range. THose targets that are midline regardless of distance have priority over ones that happen to be closer but more lateral.

Can you comment on that? Hopefully it won't take seven months to get a reply that doesn't answer the question.

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When fighting multiple enemies, if you have ever found it difficult to target a monster you are not auto-attacking so you can execute an action on it; in version 2.0 we will be making it easier by allowing you to place the mouse over another target and execute actions on them. We will also add a similar system for gamepads and we are currently looking into the best way to implement this.

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Yessss thank you. As a gamepad player it's really frustrating having to completely close out the action bar in order to do actions like WS's on alternate targets. It makes killing plumes in Garuda more difficult than it can already be.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

While mouse over targeting in ver 2.0 is great, you completely avoided the original post, Will we be able to have an option to have PRIORITY of our targets go from left<->right regardless of distance to something more practical like left<->right:closest to furthest

Right now in game, it's difficult to target something that is to the left of you and slightly ahead when there are targets more midline to your character but completely out of range. THose targets that are midline regardless of distance have priority over ones that happen to be closer but more lateral.

Can you comment on that? Hopefully it won't take seven months to get a reply that doesn't answer the question.

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Quoting for more power!!!

Yes, please answer what has been asked ^^/

I always hear about mouse/keyboard & gamepad optimization. The thing is, I hate playing with the mouse and I'm used to play with the keyboard only. I did it on XI for 8 years, I did it on other games and I'm still doing it on XIV.

Please, don't force people to use BOTH mouse/keyboard if they want to play just with keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Vanfrano

I always hear about mouse/keyboard & gamepad optimization. The thing is, I hate playing with the mouse and I'm used to play with the keyboard only. I did it on XI for 8 years, I did it on other games and I'm still doing it on XIV.

Please, don't force people to use BOTH mouse/keyboard if they want to play just with keyboard.

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I'm in the same boat. Keyboard-only controls are - for me - much faster, more precise and also more comfortable to use than a keyboard-mouse combination.

The only thing I sometimes want to use the mouse for is smoother camera movement.

Another keyboard-only player here. I just find using the mouse really cumbersome. Having to move my hands so great distances constantly to, for example, type something...I simply don't like it.
I know they've said before they wouldn't screw over us keyboard-only players, but that was way before, and since then I seem to recall Yoshi-P wondering in an interview when it was asked if people really use such an option, like it was somehow inferior and beneath notice. And as if he didn't know it's an FF staple for many of us. It makes me really, really worried, especially with all the mouse-centric control schemes I keep hearing about. :/

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey everyone!

While we will not be able to do much more for the target system in the current version, I would like to go over some improvements planned for 2.0.

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As mentioned in previous interviews, we will be totally revamping the gamepad controls in version 2.0, as well as preparing optimized UI and control methods for both gamepads and mouse/keyboard.

The current focus right now is on tuning and optimizing the mouse and keyboard controls to make it feel like modern day MMOs. We will definitely be looking forward to the feedback we receive once everyone tries out the new control functions during the upcoming beta test! :o

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Please let us know if we'll be able to toggle in and out between friendly, enemy and all targets. I for one would like to by-pass going into the menu which makes no difference at all.


So far it stays "all" no matter what. (and it's hovering over my name.

I am yet another Keyboard only user. my wife is the same also. Please leave this option for the keyboard only players.
I have finally have my controls down to second nature. I can do all combat targeting and movement with my right hand
only. it's soooo quick

Hey reps, any chance you'll answer the OP instead of regurgitate a translation about SUB-TARGETING which has nothing to with primary target priorities?

This thread has been going for 7 months, and still doesn't have an answer or an acknowledgment. On the JP side the a person asked about sub-target and WS issues. Within a week they were given a definitive answer.

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

Please let us know if we'll be able to toggle in and out between friendly, enemy and all targets. I for one would like to by-pass going into the menu which makes no difference at all.


So far it stays "all" no matter what. (and it's hovering over my name.

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Uhm. Using type A targeting, hold the autorun button and press O,X,△ or □ to switch between filters.
Using type B, it's left/right to target, up/down to switch filter.

It's all on the lodestone, first chapter even: click

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

We will be making it so when you select an action to execute, irrelevant things are not targeted (ex: you will not target gathering points when selecting a magic spell) and it will be instantly executed for things that you do not need to press/confirm twice.

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This is good to hear. I do hope the targeting priority will be fixed too though, since it's a bigger annoyance most of the time.