Tips for SCH? :)

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Originally Posted by JackFross

The ONLY caveat - PS3 does not have horizontal and vertical hotbars. The PS4 does, though, which makes things just as easy to manage as a PC if you have a mouse for more accurate HUD manipulations.

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I've had some serious internet troubles the last couple days, but finally got around to giving this a try. I feel like I should have known about this a long time ago, but quite honestly, I can see how it can be missed. I had to swap between controller and mouse mode to set this up. And for someone like me who is less savvy with this kind of things, I never would have discovered it on my own. It's one of the less stand-out features despite being one of the most important to incorporate into gaming with a controller.

http://i.imgur.com/eqFcl9f.jpg?1

Just my initial set up to get things going. I still have to work with it a bit. But as you can see, only two of the twelve abilities I set are on crossbar 1 lol. Needless to say, I've been doing WAY more button presses than is necessary. So much so that I was still doing it after this setup. I have to break out of it now.

Also - the most important tip for anyone using a controller in this game (ESPECIALLY if you're healing with a controller) is the extended hotbars. Under Character Config under Hotbars, not only can you adjust which hotbars are seen and not (so you don't have to switch to mouse mode to find them - can just turn them on/move through UI management), but if you go to the Cross tab, you have access to "Expanded Hold Controls"

http://puu.sh/p0lJe/db5b2a2e6f.png

This is incredibly useful. It gives you a full 16 extra buttons - 32 total - without ever needing to cycle hotbars. If you look at my post where I showed my bars, you can see how I have my 4 bar set up. All my Jobs use it similarly. I don't know if you DO or DO NOT use this feature, but it's an incredibly helpful one for managing the massive skill bloat in the game atm.

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Originally Posted by JackFross

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This is incredibly useful. It gives you a full 16 extra buttons - 32 total - without ever needing to cycle hotbars. If you look at my post where I showed my bars, you can see how I have my 4 bar set up. All my Jobs use it similarly. I don't know if you DO or DO NOT use this feature, but it's an incredibly helpful one for managing the massive skill bloat in the game atm.

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I use extended but set my extended to be from the same bar. (8- Right) So either combination of pressing them, the same skills appear.

That cuts down on half of the utility brought by the expanded bars. You lose so much real estate by limiting yourself like that. On my DPS Jobs (DRG and MCH) I have buff skills in the same spot (Triangle on both R2>L2 and L2>R2 - Heavy Thrust / Hot Shot) and a few other skills get the double-dip treatment (like I have Leg Sweep on both sides, and Gauss Barrel in the same spot - down on dpad) but I think it's strictly beneficial to have the two sides as being unique and then getting used to having 8 different skills on either side.

Like, for Scholar, my R2 is all my healing stuff (Physick, Adlo, Lustrate, Embrace, Emergency/Deployment Tactics, Aetherflow) and then R2>L2 brings up all my raid heals (Succor, Indom, Sacred Soil, etc). And then L2 is all my DPS stuff (dots, Broil, Energy Drain, Cleric, B2) while L2>R2 brings up extra DPS skills (Shadow Flare, Miasma II, Bane, etc). Virus is on the DPS expanded (since I'll generally be targeting an enemy when I'm on L2) while Eye for an Eye is on the healing extended (since more likely to be on a party member on the healing side).

It works for me, doesn't work for everyone. I just think it makes sense to set it up that way. I also know someone who plays on controller and has Physick macros for every person in the party <2>, <3>, etc to <8> not including <me> since it's easy to de-target and cast. He has Physick+Embrace mapped to the tank ones.

I have enough space as it is. Its just an additional option to consider. :O lol I map out my skills from 1-60 to plan where they go on paper and adjust the draft as i experience discomfort with it. SCH im completely comfortable with.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

The benefit of your way is that if you need another succor after, you don't lose any potency. This is especially good for level 50 content since you lack aoe healing outside of eos, if you're attempting to solo heal, since your healing partner could finish the aoe healing. At 60 you have indom and emergency tactics, to patch things up, so you don't lose any potency to galvanize and you have better Aoe healing alone, than at 50.

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This might be where things got a little loopy. You have to remember that at this point in the game for me, I have always solo healed. I never wanted to turn this into my way is right, yours is wrong. Just pointing out the difference between being proactive vs reactive with galvanize. Over healing with galvanize isn't the same as a normal restorative spell because you still get the shield, and I think between your posts and mine, the end result pretty much evens out concerning gcds, amount restored, remaining HP, etc. But I think we agree for the most part, just from different perspectives.

Post 50 content, I already foresee myself having a lot of difficulty handing over main heal duties when playing SCH, but hopefully I can make things go much smoother, and ease some pressure of the main healer.

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Originally Posted by JackFross

Also - the most important tip for anyone using a controller in this game (ESPECIALLY if you're healing with a controller) is the extended hotbars. Under Character Config under Hotbars, not only can you adjust which hotbars are seen and not (so you don't have to switch to mouse mode to find them - can just turn them on/move through UI management), but if you go to the Cross tab, you have access to "Expanded Hold Controls"

http://puu.sh/p0lJe/db5b2a2e6f.png

This is incredibly useful. It gives you a full 16 extra buttons - 32 total - without ever needing to cycle hotbars. If you look at my post where I showed my bars, you can see how I have my 4 bar set up. All my Jobs use it similarly. I don't know if you DO or DO NOT use this feature, but it's an incredibly helpful one for managing the massive skill bloat in the game atm.

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After your last post, I realized that I am just not as familiar with the configurations menu as I should be. So I spent some time and played around with all the options, and discovered this one. I did see how useful expanding the bars is, but have not put it to practice yet. Will see how it goes when I do my daily beast tribes today.

Some things I want to contribute to here.

First, I would like to address ZadocFish

Scholar actually has the lowest skill floor for a Healer. When I say skill floor, I mean that you have the easiest time keeping people alive. That goes doubly true for 4-man dungeons, as Eos' stats are often-times enough to completely solo-heal the dungeon. Do not be intimidated by the idea of having to micro-manage her, as her Embrace spam will help make up the difference until you've gotten better at managing her. This all being said, Scholar also has the highest skill-ceiling at the same time. That is to say, because Scholar finds healing so naturally easy, it follows that there is also a lot more that a Scholar can do with their "free-time" to stand above and beyond other healers. It takes zero skill as a Scholar to keep people alive in a dungeon. It takes quite a lot to make use of every resource and contribute nearly as much DPS as a Summoner. I personally often parse higher than other DPS in Dungeons (although that may say more about DF and less about my personal skill level)

Now then, for other things.

Stoneskin is useless on a Scholar. There are literally 0 situations where I would want it over Blizzard II, and yes that holds true for situations where I don't even use Blizzard II. Blizzard II was 100% mandatory for my group to clear A2S during Progression, and is a massive DPS gain in most Dungeons. Anytime there are four or more Mobs to fight, Blizzard II is superior to Broil. Just think though, that once upon a time it only took two enemies to make Blizzard II viable. Blizzard will always be a staple Scholar skill in the same way Aero is (unless we get a 210+ Potency spell next expansion. We can call it Broil II). At any time that I would ever want shielding on anyone, one of the two following situations will always be true. A) Adlo is enough, or B) The WHM/AST already did it.

About Succor. People are seriously overvaluing the detriment of overhealing. Succor was critical in surviving A1S during progression. It did not matter if the group was at full health or not, you applied AoE Galvanize or you risked everyone dying. Medica II would also be applied and after that you would not burn another GCD repairing health, as Medica II would bring them up to full before the next big hit. Overhealing matters quite a lot more for WHM or Diurnal AST because it every point of overhealed health is 100% waste. For a Scholar or Noct (lol) AST, overhealing is not a bad thing. The end result is that you raised someone's effective HP higher than their maximum and can thus more reliably survive whatever comes next. Mathmatically there isn't much difference either or, but the "live" result is often life or death for your DPS.

Lastly, listen to JackFross. They seem to know what they're talking about, and is probably better than me. I'm speaking from 2.1 experience up until 3.0 as a progression Scholar. Unfortunately I had to unsub from the game in the middle of Gordias A3S. Same thing happened during Final Coil, but I heard that one was super easy anyway. Oh well, work and life come first. That being said, some of my information may be a bit dated, but should hold up.

One more thing. Literally nobody cares if you participate in dungeons as a Scholar. If you do, you're trying way to hard. The place to tryhard is Raid. Dungeons are for relaxing after raid and goofing off. Eos on Sic will blow all of her cooldowns and keep the tank alive through most pulls, even some of the big ones if you help out with Rouse. I for one tend to /Follow the Tank and then watch youtube or whatever.

I'm confused

Sabeta's post is quite good
I mean at first i was like "oh ! A good lala..."
Then you read the very last part and you go "...is a boiled lala !"

So much good point ruin by the worst advice ever of LAZY healer !

There's no reason to try hard in dungeons. Telling people that they HAVE to go 100% in dungeon runs is a quick way to scare them away from Scholar, like you almost did to ZadocFish. Dungeons are the opportunity to learn your class, make mistakes, and experiment with new things in a live situation. I've recently re-optimized my hotbars in order to make controlling Eos in CS easier, for example. While I was working the kinks out of it I went as hard as I could in the dungeons, properly keeping up my cooldowns, micro-managing the fairy, and contributing significantly to group DPS.

But if I didn't? Nothing would have really changed. The dungeon would have taken maybe two minutes longer to complete. End of story.
So I'm sorry if my 50th trip through Antitower is a "lazy", but to be quite frank I just don't care.

Like I said, a well-geared Scholar doesn't need to contribute ANYTHING to clear dungeons. Eos is enough, and sometimes so is Selene.
My point here is that it's your choice to DPS in dungeons. Most tanks I run into don't use cooldowns. Most DPS I run into don't know their AoE rotation. Why should I be forced to try 10x harder than everyone else because some guy called me a "boiled lala"
Raid is the only place where I would suggest that you ABSOLUTELY MUST DPS. Anything easier than that and it's optional. Lately however, I have been giving dungeons my 100% because I'm trying to rebuild my skills after a long hiatus. Keep in mind that for quite a long time Scholar's DPS was regarded as a "neat little bonus". My DPS contributions were the difference between 1 bee or 2 in T6, but certainly not the end-of-the-world if I didn't participate. As such, I never really mastered my rotation, I just sort of applied DoTs and then sort of forgot about them afterwards when I went back to healing. It is an extremely recent trend that people have started to care about just how much DPS you're able to parse, and so I've been giving it my all to finally learn my rotation and push myself to the limit.

Once I'm there though I'll probably start slacking off again. At the very least late in the week when I'm tired of roulettes.

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Originally Posted by Sabeta

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Just out of curiosity, if you don't care, why go? I haven't even got close to touching the content many of you have been in since the expansion. So posts like yours raise questions for me. You're definitely not the first SCH to make such statements, and almost seem disappointed by how powerful fairy heals are. You definitely sound knowledgeable and possess the skill, and your OP spoke very strongly towards arguments I was making earlier about the importance of casting galvanize to shield before dmg comes.

I do know that thus far in all the 4-man content I've done, I've pretty much breezed my way through them as SCH, but I've usually just gave that credit to the synced players who have dominated those dungeons a kagillion times. Because for some reason, my WHM consistently queues up with derps, while my SCH gets the HP inflated tanks and mechanic wary DPS. In any case, I want to contribute as much as I can even if it only shaves off five minutes from the entire instance, and if I no longer found enjoyment, I just wouldn't play the job anymore. But that is me. Perhaps the new patch will bring back some that excitement you likely experienced during your first time through. :)

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Originally Posted by Sabeta

...Telling people that they HAVE to go 100% in dungeon runs is a quick way to scare them away from Scholar, like you almost did to ZadocFish.

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Agreed. I had to tell my FC this when some of them started throwing all of the 50+ content my way like immediately after OP Archon. That whole 'dungeon runs are like sex' thing I've seen tossed about is totally true, and I don't give it up easy! lol

I didn't said that you have to push hard in 4man content
No it's not mandatory

But as the novice mentor said once there is no damage throw some DPS to help the team

If you follow someone and let the fairy heal
Why would à tank bother use CD ? why would DPS get out of aoe ?

Don't push but do a minimum
It's like whm that spam cure in dungeon it's like useless and mp wasted
With some micro illusion of healing

Like in the current Amdapor hard
You don't want to DPS fine, but on the first boss deal with the tether interception them and let the DPS do their jobit's à help and cost you nothing
On second boss deal with elemental bomb
On final boss protect them

There is many thing that à healer can do to help the team without compromising the healing job

Be a helpful healer, not a slacking one !
Nothing more insulting in a group to see a LAZY one when you're doing your part of the job (in DPS or tank)
If you go on duty, it's a synergy of 4 person

Isn't Cure 1 the most magic-efficient healing spell WHM have?

In case of intensive healing yes
Fast cheap efficient and possible free proc
Hell yes it is good

In time to time healing
Cure II is better since you cast it one time with regen and go back doing something else (mechanics or DPS)
Since my whm has more or less 1050 crit
I do often cure II crit which heal for 10500 hp minimum (and reach 13k depending on the buff)

Why would i bother healing again when one heal top any tank :D

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Bit yes otherwise cure I is the best healing tool
Especially on lower level

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Originally Posted by Zadocfish

Isn't Cure 1 the most magic-efficient healing spell WHM have?

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Nope. Regen

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Originally Posted by Gemina

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Gotta get my weekly caps done somehow. Anyway, At the start of Heavenward Eos/Selene were bugged so that they didn't receive your gear bonuses properly. Even then she could solo-heal Fractal and Neverreap with a decent ilvl. It's not so much that I'm disappointed in her power, but more about the fact that dungeons in general aren't challenging. WHM should be able to achieve similar results by dropping Clerics to lay Regen.

@Nekotee: in what world do your Tanks and DPS actually use Cooldown or Rotations? I consistently outparse damage dealers when I actually put in effort. If everyone else isn't putting in effort then neither will I.

Also, Regen is 1050 Potency and costs less then Cure I iirc. That's the most efficient heal White Mage's have. Eos is just slightly weaker than that (only because Eos can't be applied to more than one target at a time) but is free and spammable while in Clerics.

I have a question about the Fairy. Will she still cast Embrace on players below 80% on obey, or do you have to command her to heal at any time Obey is on?

She will still. ( but i think it's below 70%). But when it's not the case, you gotta ask her to cast it. ( precast and all the stuff)

That makes it a lot simpler to focus, then; relying on her to patch holes in your concentration and you still have control over when she pops her CDs. If that's the case, it sounds like micro-managing will be much less of a nightmare for a new player! That actually makes me want to give the class the old college try.

Haha yeah indeed ! Yet, i recommend you to make a macro to spam Embrace to the MT. This will help you a lot for the rest, let her alone, she will heal peeps on her own ! Remember to place her: she is unfortunately focusing on following you instead of casting.

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I have a question about the Fairy. Will she still cast Embrace on players below 80% on obey, or do you have to command her to heal at any time Obey is on?

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It is 80% and you can't turn it off even if you want to.

One of your earlier posts talked about figuring out how to fit skills into your 32 slots. As a controller player, my approach is a combination of putting some abilities (like summons and protect) on a 3rd bar and also using some macros to save space. I discuss it in lots of detail in my guide.

As for micro-managing, that term is probably scarier than it needs to be. It basically boils down to two things: manually casting Embrace for the tank who is over 80% health and treating your faerie's cool downs as your own instead of letting her waste them at random.

Hello !

Some use only Selene, other than Eos. I'm learning to play scholar and i don't understand. I use Eos in dungeon beacause i'm not sure of myself but, once 60, i will use Selene all the time ?

Selenes is DPS increase and dispelling
EoS is high heal and magic shield

The use depends on the group progress and the ability from the sch to heal alone or not

Once you're confident in your healing/dpsing rotation Selenes is a go to, acting like a strong permanent regen
If you're not sure of yourself or if the content you're running is intense/damage and strong magic damage. Go for EoS she will do wonder for your group !

In the end it's only a choice from the sch.

Do not EVER pretend adloquim is bad.

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Originally Posted by Tomoe-chan

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Pre level 40, Selene doesn't bring much to the table. Few situations require an AoE cleanse, and silent dusk won't bring anywhere near the benefit of whispering dawn.

40+ the game changes as you can provide a significant speed buff every 60 seconds. You will likely use Selene nearly full time at this point during dungeon runs and solo play.

I personally still use Eos for boss fights. These fights love to bring scripted AoE damage and Fey illumination+rouse+whispering Dawn is just godly.

thank you for your answers :)

So, i'll have to look at strat to determine when to invoke Eos for boss in dungeon ^^
also with crazy tank in Dungeon lol

(hum..and sorry for my english...)

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

One of your earlier posts talked about figuring out how to fit skills into your 32 slots. As a controller player, my approach is a combination of putting some abilities (like summons and protect) on a 3rd bar and also using some macros to save space. I discuss it in lots of detail in my guide.

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I agree with this approach and would like to add some input.

I put all my main healing skills, as well as the active fairy skills, on crossbar 1. I put all my DPS skills, as well as Cleric Stance, on crossbar 3 (because crossbar 2 is my shared items-and-stuff bar). Then I use Extended Crossbar (LT+RT or RT+LT) and put my less-used stuff like Raise, summoning macros (will get to those), Protect, Sustain, and pet positioning skills up there for easy access.

As for the summoning macros, I use these:

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/micon "Summon"
/ac Summon
/crosshotbar pet "Silent Dusk" 1 LDL
/crosshotbar pet "Fey Caress" 1 LDU
/crosshotbar pet "Fey Wind" 1 LDR
/wait 2
/petaction Obey
/wait 4
/petaction Obey

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/micon "Summon II"
/ac "Summon II"
/crosshotbar pet "Whispering Dawn" 1 LDL
/crosshotbar pet "Fey Covenant" 1 LDU
/crosshotbar pet "Fey Illumination" 1 LDR
/wait 2
/petaction Obey
/wait 4
/petaction Obey

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These will summon a pet, set its skills to crossbar 1, and set the pet to Obey. This means you don't need to keep both Eos' and Selene's skills on your bar at all times - the macros will switch them out as needed, depending on which fairy you summoned. Three less slots needed on your bars.

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Originally Posted by Tomoe-chan

thank you for your answers :)

So, i'll have to look at strat to determine when to invoke Eos for boss in dungeon ^^
also with crazy tank in Dungeon lol

(hum..and sorry for my english...)

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Swiftcast is your friend! I always announce at the beginning of an instance that I will be switching fairies at _______ boss fight. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Either way, SC+summon and you're good to go. Don't worry too much about SC being on cool down. It is very unlikely you will need it the first 60 seconds into a boss fight.

A smn/sch that swiftcast summon is as bad as a whm swiftcasting stoneskin II or a swiftcast shadowflare

Any one who answer me : there is time for the 1 minute CD to come back
I will stab back with : then why aren't losing 5 sec to cast which is 10 time faster

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Also yeah in dungeon you have more time to reset a cd but it's better to have the rightful mind about it
Because if you do that in EX primal you will soon regret it XD
(Or the new 24man that is... death at all time)

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

A smn/sch that swiftcast summon is as bad as a whm swiftcasting stoneskin II or a swiftcast shadowflare

Any one who answer me : there is time for the 1 minute CD to come back
I will stab back with : then why aren't losing 5 sec to cast which is 10 time faster

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I don't really agree with that logic.

Swift+Stoneskin 2 in a dungeon really doesn't matter. Before a pull in a raid? Not entirely bad, the raid reality is the main healer usually isn't tapped for the first-raise. But ideally you can use that Swift early for other purposes like the 2nd raise, Instant Medica, or DPS. Most of the time you are waiting for pull macro/buffs before pull so hard casting SS2 is the more adapt method.

Fairy switches. Or with Dissipate, you should look forward to Swiftcast+Summon.

Swiftcast+Shadowflare as SCH is more of a judgement call. Is it progression? Is this phase a bit flaky where not having a Swift means it might cause heartburn. DPS push is the greatest mitigation in the game so if it helps to get DoTs up faster, yet it's not likely a phase where a derp occurs then push for it.

I try to teach healers that they shouldn't always be so protective of Swiftcast. Sometimes players need to find out how many lapses of 60s they have that they could have used it to get ahead of mechanics. It's more on main healers. Scholars needing Swift isn't as high for healing since they have Indom availability and fairy CDs.

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A WHM swiftcasting SSII after a boss fight in a 4-man dungeon so that everyone can keep running like headless chickens. How is that bad? I will grant you that doing it on raids or big fights isn't a wonderful idea (specially summon), but it really shouldn't be that bad. It's like WHMs holding onto Benediction in trash pulls because they might need it in a boss fight.

You won't need it in a boss fight. Same with Swiftcast. I use Swiftcast on dungeons to put stoneskin on the tank after Adlo in between pulls, and I've never had a single time in which I needed it and didn't have it because of that. This advice is mostly intended for 4-man dungeons (hence the fairy switching), so you have to put it in context too.

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A smn/sch that swiftcast summon is as bad as a whm swiftcasting stoneskin II or a swiftcast shadowflare

Any one who answer me : there is time for the 1 minute CD to come back
I will stab back with : then why aren't losing 5 sec to cast which is 10 time faster

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Also yeah in dungeon you have more time to reset a cd but it's better to have the rightful mind about it
Because if you do that in EX primal you will soon regret it XD
(Or the new 24man that is... death at all time)

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There is value in swiftcasting nearly any ability where the cast time is greater than the gcd, it's just learning when to do it. This includes SSII and Summon. You can't really compare a 60 sec CD with a 5 sec cast time as the repercussions for using either are night and day. Losing the ability to cast all your skills for 5 seconds mid-fight is far more detrimental than losing one ability for 60 seconds. If you need to rezz someone 60 seconds into a fight, there might be issues that negates any usefulness out of swiftcast from a rezz standpoint. Saving SC for a rezz is so situational. It's an ace you want to keep in your pocket when you know there is a high percentage chance that someone is going to drop, which you should be able to evaluate during the instance.

As for EX primals, I can't speak on any of them. But from the primal instances I have encountered, there is no reason to switch your fairy mid fight. You make your choice and run with her. If there was a situation that calls for it, you would definitely want to swiftcast it as summoning mid-fight is essentially a rezz. Switching fairies for me has been the most useful in dungeons where I will use Selene for the run and Eos for the boss. Some groups are ok with you not burning up SC prior to the fight and just using a regular summon, but most charge in as soon as protect is up.

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A WHM swiftcasting SSII after a boss fight in a 4-man dungeon so that everyone can keep running like headless chickens. How is that bad? I will grant you that doing it on raids or big fights isn't a wonderful idea (specially summon), but it really shouldn't be that bad. It's like WHMs holding onto Benediction in trash pulls because they might need it in a boss fight.

You won't need it in a boss fight. Same with Swiftcast. I use Swiftcast on dungeons to put stoneskin on the tank after Adlo in between pulls, and I've never had a single time in which I needed it and didn't have it because of that. This advice is mostly intended for 4-man dungeons (hence the fairy switching), so you have to put it in context too.

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Stoneskin II in dungeons for trash isnt needed as no one but the tank should be getting hit by aoes. In dungeons on WHM that swiftcast can be better used for something like Swiftcast Holy>Assize.

When I go as whm in dungeon my bénédiction is always on CD because it's a wonderful DPS tool.
You can go as crazy as you want in DPS and always fully heal your tank without getting out of cleric et no matter how much mana is left

And stoneskin 2 in 4man is most of the time pointless except on boss... and it depend if the boss have a wide aoe or not

@Gemina when you use dissipation as DPS booster or mana regen you have to have you're swiftcast for the fairy because it's so long to cast her
(Well if time correctly you can always fine a down time windows to slow cast her)

Mostly i great swiftcast for emergency, this isn't need to performance basic DPS/healing dance
And i'm not burning it to please à group that want to run 5second faster

Some aren't used to the idea but fairy switching has always been rather strategic, and with the addition of Dissipation there is even more emphasis on it. You should never stick with the "I summoned this fairy, we are sticking with it" ordeal.

In extreme/savage level fights you should never have to hard cast a fairy. It'd also be pretty silly to blame your death to a movement mechanic because you wanted to be safe and "hold" your swift but yet not get into position on-time. Swiftcast saves even your own life. You just have to look at the skill as a toolbox.

Alright, I have finally gotten SCH, and am on my way to making it my main class (19 levels before I catch up with my PLD!). I wanna post some things I noticed, so I can learn if they're true or not:

I have 3 bars: Healing, DPS, and Cooldowns/misc. The Healing and DPS are my main rotations, the third is for stuff like Protect, Summon, Sustain, and Resurrect: stuff I won't be using often, but occasionally. Both my Healing and DPS bars have my Eos commands on the left side, so I can Embrace whenever I need to manually.

I have seen no reason to use the "Place" command/"Heel" command. It's faster to just walk where I need my pet to go in the automatic "heel" mode. There is very rarely reason for me to move and interrupt her; I can just park near my party and Eos will Embrace away. 25y isn't too short of a distance, really.

I had no idea how easy micromanaging Eos would be! She casts Embrace automatically, so I very rarely have to tell her to do that. I still have it on the bar, because sometimes you need to manually get her to prioritize the tank. Mostly, it's just the cooldowns; and yeah, they're crazy easy, especially since Whispering Dawn has a pretty short cooldown.

Basically, in average dungeons, it feels like I'm two classes. I still keep the party alive thanks to MP-less Embrace spamming, but I can devote almost the whole dungeon to being an extra DPS; in Cleric Stance, I have the same power as I did when I was ACTUALLY a DPS as an ARC. That means that the dungeon goes significantly faster, because it's like having a Healer AND a third DPS. Also, when I DO need to heal, I basically heal twice every GDC because of Eos, and I have a nifty heal/barrier spell as well. It feels way better than playing as a WHM for me; it feels like there's a massive safety net.

So, that's my first thoughts on playing SCH. Feeling pretty good, so far.

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Alright,

I have seen no reason to use the "Place" command/"Heel" command. It's faster to just walk where I need my pet to go in the automatic "heel" mode. There is very rarely reason for me to move and interrupt her; I can just park near my party and Eos will Embrace away. 25y isn't too short of a distance, really.

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The place/heel thing is mostly for fights like Titan Extreme where frequent movement interrupts the Fairy's healing.

@zadocfish, you will commonly find that place is highly recommended to maximize the healing of your fairy. I recommend saving a video of one of your runs and monitor your fairies behavior when you view it. You will likely find moments where she's moving when she should be healing.

Now, that doesn't mean you must always place her, but the more you do it, the more relieving it will be knowing she's spamming embrace while you got free reign to do your thing.

It's like you said, being sch is almost like bringing two jobs into the instance. So keep that healer mentality intact, and try to place your fairy in the same position you would put yourself in if you were running as another healer.

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Originally Posted by Zadocfish

Alright, I have finally gotten SCH, and am on my way to making it my main class (19 levels before I catch up with my PLD!). I wanna post some things I noticed, so I can learn if they're true or not:

I have 3 bars: Healing, DPS, and Cooldowns/misc. The Healing and DPS are my main rotations, the third is for stuff like Protect, Summon, Sustain, and Resurrect: stuff I won't be using often, but occasionally. Both my Healing and DPS bars have my Eos commands on the left side, so I can Embrace whenever I need to manually.

So, that's my first thoughts on playing SCH. Feeling pretty good, so far.

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Last post was from my phone, but there are a couple more things I wanted to bring up:

Not sure if you're PC or controller, but keep in mind that your pet already has its own bar. When you have less skills, it can be easier to hotbar some of your pet's abilities so you don't have to access the pet hotbar, but as you acquire more, I believe you will find the hard set pet hotbar much more convenient.

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Originally Posted by Zadocfish

Basically, in average dungeons, it feels like I'm two classes. I still keep the party alive thanks to MP-less Embrace spamming, but I can devote almost the whole dungeon to being an extra DPS; in Cleric Stance, I have the same power as I did when I was ACTUALLY a DPS as an ARC. That means that the dungeon goes significantly faster, because it's like having a Healer AND a third DPS. Also, when I DO need to heal, I basically heal twice every GDC because of Eos, and I have a nifty heal/barrier spell as well. It feels way better than playing as a WHM for me; it feels like there's a massive safety net.

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Actually, you have more power! The SCH soulstone provides a significant increase to your MND stat, which in-turn translates to a higher INT stat when you activate Cleric, that's without mentioning that as your item level increases, the MND stat for SCH seriously inflates. SCH DPS can significantly reduce the time spent in an instance, but always remember that healing and DMG mitigation are top priority. I wish you happy travels on your Eorzean travels!

Alright, been trying it out a little more, reading up, and came up with a new question. Under what circumstance would I ever use Miasma 2? It seems almost completely worthless. Ruin 2 is a straight upgrade to replace Ruin 1, Bio 2 is a great thing to add to the rotation along with Bio 1... But Miasma 2 has a small range for an AOE, doesn't do much damage over time (roughly 1/4th of Miasma 1 per target), and Miasma already turns into an AOE with smart use of Bane... and the sheer difference in damage means it's more useful just spreading Miasma 1 to each enemy one-at-a-time; one casting of Miasma can lead to about 300 total potency, compared to 70 for Miastma 2... so, you'd need to cast it on a minimum of 4 opponents, and recast it much sooner, to get as much damage in. Miasma 2 is Instant, sure, but you still can't do anything in the GDC...

Is there something I'm missing...? It seems like the most worthless level-up spell in the game I've seen so far, being literally worse in almost every way than its first version.