Crossdressing or RIOT

I fully support this idea. More player choice in game is a fantastic thing.

When you let tumblrinas in MMOs. .-.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lucinda_Lecore

I fully support this idea. More player choice in game is a fantastic thing.

---

Is it? Not always. There's quite a lot of people who are rather keen on the idea of some gear being restricted to specific genders or races. One would think those pushing for 'equality' would acknowledge that it's absolutely fine for that to be the case instead of using socio-political issues and threats to strong arm developers into doing what they want.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dyvid

So all opinions aren't valid unless it's for the pro agenda.... That seems fair. How about I counter with too bad, role a opposite gender character then.

---

As another poster said, YoshiP has taken deep consideration into the crossdressing deal. Not right at this moment but eventually. Just like the same-sex marriage options and gender neutral items being converted in this game gradually. It's a deeply obvious pattern of what has a distinct possibility of coming to fruition.

Them's the facts stated of a very apparent pattern, not an opinion.

If you don't want to dress or roll your character a certain way, you can! There's no fault in your personal preference, do what your Lala self likes to do. No one is telling you otherwise. But the idea of people wanting to present themselves the way they see fit shouldn't cause an uproar for those who won't even be using the option in the first place. It's as silly as complaining over some stripper giving you a lapdance in a club being a communist. What they do isn't effecting you negatively in any sort of way.

: ^ )

I can understand restricting race specific gear and armor classes like light/heavy, but anything else is kind of goofy. I see no agenda pushing in the OP, and crossdressing detracts nothing. The fact it isn't in fully doesn't stop pink skirt wearing Roe men with makeup caked faces prancing around. Hell, if we're gonna restrict stuff, we may as well complain about all the catgirls who tank in a bikini, because god knows it's impractical and stupid looking enough.

I don't know why it's such a big deal to most people and why they have to fling their arms up and scream "SJW!" like some boogieman is coming to ruin their game. In this case it's nothing to do with agenda pushing and more "hey this item looks great, but I can't use it because a stupid reason". Like the expeditioner's coat or whatever. I'd rather have that than the short shirt with the long fringe thing that's prone to clipping. But since my char is female, I'm SOL. Besides Japan is no stranger to crossdressing. Yaro-kabuki, the otokonoko trend, the hyper masculine transvestites.

One thing should be added that may not be obvious to people...
A lot of the gear that is being added in patches may have been designed and finished many months ago... Meaning what you see being added as genderlocked in one patch right after they talked about reducing that, was made before that was said...

I support keeping genderlocked sets btw. Maybe it can be reduced, but I care a lot about being able to see if a character is male of female based on which gearset they're using.
Genderlocked gear sets should have the other gender equivalent though, so that equal amounts of gear is added.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KeroSnake

Hell, if we're gonna restrict stuff, we may as well complain about all the catgirls who tank in a bikini, because god knows it's impractical and stupid looking enough.

---

You know, if I could ban them from doing that..:rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Terribad

When you let tumblrinas in MMOs. .-.

---

Gotta love hows its always some sjwlite thinking everything a tumblr conspiracy

I'm ok having more choices, yet I wouldn't implement them all, not the full dressings at least.

They will spend a lot of time making them accessible to Roegadyn males and stuff! For Lala-males it will be easy, but not the rest D:

I don't know, I guess the best we can do is wait and see how they fit and give SE the proper feedback!

Inclusion and diversity are great things. Being a supporter to defend people that might feel they are under represented is great too.

Maybe someone can explain to me though... This game, you can play as any gender you want. But specifically people want to cross dress. Are those the people that are campaigning for this? Having experienced WoW and other MMOs that have completely gender unlocked clothes... It seemed trolls always outnumbered the actual people wanting to cross dress as something they identified with. And people like to do unusual things for attention is a method to troll. Doing something "not allowed" is one way to do that. Maybe it would be a non-issue if they were just unlocked at the start. I guess I just seem to see the gender locked clothing come up a lot, and it just seems larger than the group who might actually "care" about doing it.

I fully support the people that want to dress that way because that's how they identify. However, are they going to get what they want once it's unlocked? It kind of loses it's value if people are doing it to troll everyone and I just am concerned it could cause worry for people actually wanting to just dress up how they want. I personally think the concept that fashion can be "male" or "female" is kind of silly... as they are just clothes.... I mean, sure underwear benefits from um...different pockets and pouches that correspond to biology but beyond that of course.

If it does all get unlocked, I just hope its for the people that want it for style and not trolling. As long as it doesn't turn into a new way of harassment for the people that actually care about it, then great.

How is crossdressing trolling?

Those almost unbelievable jok style swimsuits men got the first year are bad enough. Just what I need is a bunch of pink haired male cats running around in the antecedent attire or fishnet leggings with bunny ears and bustier. I realize this game has a huge homosexual/transgender community and I'm all for your rights but if you want womens clothes so badly maybe play a female character? I do and I'm a straight male.

First i would not call them women clothe... But clothe
And maybe a player don't want to look at some boobs and flat Ass and prefer the large shoulder of a male aora or the round butt of a male miqote

Like said before either there is a double gender lock or no lock at all.
Seeing girl wearing either the wedding dress or wedding smoking is infuriating for a mâle miqote who has to wear only one.

I recently got some of the gender free boots that were for female only... And they are fabulous on my healer

female characters cannot wear the male wedding clothes. The groomsman clothes yes but not the eternal bonding clothing.

Thank you so much for thread!
While my ultimate wish would be to have all clothing items unisex I can understand genderlocks on NPC based outfits but it should be fair without favoritism to one gender over another, -kind of- like the way they are now doing some of the mogstation NPC themed clothing.

I'm a male playing as a female-character but I find the whole "If you want to wear these items, switch character genders" argument really weak.
Maybe the people who are advocating this don't view the items as Male vs Female cloths but as just cloths.
Additionally, Gender-Identification is not a simple yes-or-no-check-which-box-you-are-thing. There are those who associate with both genders, those who associate with neither gender, those who associate with one gender but follow the norms of the other, those who switch between the two, etc etc.
Saying that you "support" LGBT while also say that you don't want to see "men" in skirts and bikinis doesn't make you any less transphobic or bias... :/

Also, you can add the new Cid Gear to the list too, please. ;-D

This isn't real life. Races and Genders are pretty clear cut in Eorzean lore.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 16bitBounty

Races and Genders are pretty clear cut in Eorzean lore.

---

Are they?
The question has never been asked, so we don't have a concrete answer to it.

SE should put gender unlocked items in the cash shop. It's not fair for a vocal minority to convince SE to use everyone's development resources and money on gender neutral outfits that very few people want. However I think it's fine as long as the people who want the outfits pay extra to help cover the development costs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

SE should put gender unlocked items in the cash shop. It's not fair for a vocal minority to convince SE to use everyone's development resources and money on gender neutral outfits that very few people want. However I think it's fine as long as the people who want the outfits pay extra to help cover the development costs.

---

This could be said for everything then.
Some people don't like raids, raids are therefore development resources which are seen as a waste for them.
Same for PVP.
Diadem.
Gold Saucer.
Side quests.

Lol, just lol.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

SE should put gender unlocked items in the cash shop. It's not fair for a vocal minority to convince SE to use everyone's development resources and money on gender neutral outfits that very few people want. However I think it's fine as long as the people who want the outfits pay extra to help cover the development costs.

---

But it's not everyone's "development resources and money", it's SE's. And they chose to do this.

All of you that want this better go buy all the new cash shop items so they have more money to inspired them to do it quicker.

I personally feel like the term "Cross Dressing" is derogatory and an insult to actual transgender players who get ridiculed in real life because they identify with an opposite birth gender. I don't consider a Transgender "Cross Dressing" because that's who they are. ON a real scope Transgenders don't want to be looked at as "Men in women's clothing" or "Women in men's clothing" they want to be seen for who they really are, nothing more.

I'm agitated the OP used such a rotten title for shock value to get attention which doesn't convey the underlying issue and that is we want better gender-less options. When people post ignorant stuff like "I wanna Cross dress" and use the LBGT community as a crutch it's an insult to them and any true advocates. Because again that girl in the dress is just that a girl, not homosexual, and darn sure not cross dressing.

Cross dressing is an act used for comedic purposes not to make a statement. So when you say that you're conveying to SE that you wanna wear a dress because it's funny to you. OP posts like this are the reason they skirt around the issue (No pun intended).

TLDR; So if you plan to truly strip gender from clothing start by removing words like "Cross Dressing" from your vocabulary. LEARN WORDS.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lexia

All of you that want this better go buy all the new cash shop items so they have more money to inspired them to do it quicker.

---

We can say the same thing for people who want more/better/more interesting raids, seeing as only a small fraction of the player-base raids... >w>

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

SE should put gender unlocked items in the cash shop. It's not fair for a vocal minority to convince SE to use everyone's development resources and money on gender neutral outfits that very few people want. However I think it's fine as long as the people who want the outfits pay extra to help cover the development costs.

---

I don't support this thread because it's demanding, however just because it's something you personally don't want, doesn't mean it shouldn't be a priority. Everyone enjoys different aspects of the game. Many role play, and many play primarily for playing with their character and glamouring. They also pay the same subscription as those who raid and prefer to gear their character. Neither is more important than the other.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Animarelic

snip

---

People who are Transgender want to be seen as the gender they identify with. Why would they create a male character and then dress in female clothing if they want to be identified as a female? This isn't real life, if a Transgender female wanted to portray themselves on Final Fantasy I'm sure they would just create a female character. Why would they create a male and wear a skirt if they identify as a female?

The OP used the correct wording. I appreciate you are trying to support Transgender people but you've got it all backwards. A male who identifies with a man and wears a dress is cross dressing and this goes for characters. A born male who identities with a female is Transgender and isn't cross dressing.

Also, the words "cross-dressing" have no negativity tied to them whatsoever and the defenition is literally "to wear clothing typical of the opposite sex."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mimilu

But it's not everyone's "development resources and money", it's SE's. And they chose to do this.

---

Thank you for pointing this out.

I am perfectly ok with some items remaining gender locked. I am even ok with the idea of Race locked gear. So long as they are locked for a reason. Like the female bathing suits should remain gender locked as males have their own sets. Race locked gear would be nice to have as long as every race/gender gets its set at the same time. Race locked gear, however, should complement the aesthetics of that race, like the starting sets. Gender locked it alright so long as no imbalance is made because of it. Gender locked gear must also serve some kind of purpose rather than being arbitrary. Items like the bunny ears really don't make sense as to why they are gender locked. Granted, the whole set is gender locked, but that did not stop SE with the 3.25 update remove gender locks from some the expeditors set.
Side note: the argument that this will take a significant amount of resources to make items available to males as already been dealt with by SE. they plan to implement the items over timer so its more of a side operation as to not impair the production of other priority tasks.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Stuff "

---

That was the point I was going for which is why I said this "Cross dressing is an act used for comedic purposes not to make a statement. So when you say that you're conveying to SE that you wanna wear a dress because it's funny to you. OP posts like this are the reason they skirt around the issue."

If you don't understand that is why SE won't take it seriously and they haven't is because of OP like this. Secondly some people are using Real life issues to back up their reasoning for Gender-less options which is why is I made my comment.

The fact still remains from my first post this topic needs to be handled better. One post you got a group asking for Gender Equality then you have one group just making a fuss because they wanna be wear a dress which this post is the latter.

We need to be consistent in our approach either ask for gender equality properly or make threads whining about cross dressing and see how much longer they drag it out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Animarelic

I personally feel.

---

And thats pretty much where you start being wrong by imposing feelings on others language

But really I got no idea what you are rambling about, I assume neither do you since this has nothing to do with "removing gender" just gender locked clothing, nor did my op mention anything about lgbt at all, that parts in your head, I used crossdressing as dressing in clothing from that across from your characters biological sex is kinda what people want

Also unless you want to come out as openly trans in the thread please stop speaking for them and what they are probably not offended by as it literally has 0 to do with trans or lgbt as most crossdressers are straight, thanks

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Animarelic

snip

---

I understand why SE wouldn't take it seriously due to the nature of the OP but that still doesn't mean he used a rotten title or even misused the words "cross dressing." It was all worded correctly in terms of not being offensive. Wanting gear to be unlocked for all genders has nothing to do with being Transgender but everything to do with equality. The only thing wrong with the thread is the demanding nature.

Greetings,

To reiterate Yoshida's comments from the PAX East panel, the main goal for these threads is so that the dev. team can use your feedback to prioritize which items should have restrictions removed from, and less about listing every piece of currently locked gear. As there is another thread that is more closely in line with regard to prioritizing specific pieces of gear that users would like to see gender restrictions removed from, I will be closing this thread and asking you to make your suggestions there. I recommend listing specific pieces of gear in individual posts that other users can "Like!" to help prioritize!

Thank you for your cooperation!