Tell me why my standard ati. Mobile gpu is locked to bootcamp drivers. It is technically pc after all apple invented the PERSONAL COMPUTER
Nice job with the Spam. Because Apple likes to control things, they set it up so you have to use the drivers they provide. Many notebook manufacturers do this as well, mine is in fact one of them. Try to use stock nVidia Drivers for the 480Ms in my notebook and it won't install.
Also, like i'm able to do with my notebook, you can get inf modded drivers to install in Windows on a Bootcamp'd Mac.
Wow... seriously you just floored me with that statement right there. You know what? You're completely right. What was I thinking calling them by different names. From now on I will always refer to both as PC's no matter how much confusion I stir up in future conversations. You are so awesome. Let's get married.
Why won't you get this through your thick skull nobody here is say Mac is better just don't fucking tell us you go through the same problems to configure your system to work with this game. You don't have a Mac so fuck off and let us talk amongst ourselves
My bad I'm attempting to post from a first Gen android phone. It is directed at the troll
In having a discussion with my brother (Maconnoisseur) about the Mac debates that seem to permeate throughout the entirety of the Internets. I'm trying to get him to play with me via his MacBook. Here's what he had to say via GTalk just now (since he'd like to post but can't):
"What you should explain to the trolls is that there's a big difference between the similarities of hardware components between the two platforms; the software, operating system and hardware/software design and integration. Yes, both Macs and PCs use the same types of components, but the software that's run on these components do very different things and have very different personalities. Steve Jobs invented the first personal computer in the 80s with the Apple II before computers took up the space of whole rooms, and were only used by budding computer scientists and nerds.
Jobs was anti-IBM, basically, and the only fucking reason people even use a "personal computer" (PC) is because of Steve Jobs. This is exactly the kind of "techie" pundit that I loathe. They don't see the forest for the trees. They over-focus on spec sheets and components and how they're overpriced on the mac. It's NOT ABOUT THE COMPONENTS. The reason Macs are priced at a premium is because they work very well. Period.
A good engineer can put together a hardware bundle that works fluidly with its OS; a bad engineer can use the same components and make a lemon like dad's HP desktop. On paper, it rocked. but when he used it, it was shit. Why? Poor design. It was designed to fail.
The Mac has always been behind when it comes to gaming. And it isn't due to a shortage of powerful hardware ... but the lack of software clients and developer support. The hardware is there. But if iOS has proven anything, it's that gaming can be awesome on a Mac through Steam and the Mac App Store, end-users are slowly realizing that gaming on a Mac has a future. The more support they get from devs, the better.
Also, running Windows through Bootcamp is not the same as running Windows through a PC that's meant for Windows. I've tried Bootcamp, and whenever I use it, it overheats my Mac and strange bugs appear in OSX when I switch back. That's why I stopped running XP on it. I also tried Parallels, which sucked even more but the latter is virtualization, not the actual Windows OS.
Either way, the native experience is usually better. I hate it when techies compare their PC spec sheets with Mac spec sheets, calculate the math in lieu of the sum of each platform's components, and conclude that since the Mac is so much more expensive, that all Mac users are buying into a reality distortion field where they think they have a better computer, based on hype. Apple is doing well because their products "just work" 99.9% of the time whereas the PC market is fragmented and comprised of open-source zealots and hobbyists that are spec-addicts.
It's similar to iOS vs. Android, where John Gruber says it best:
"This idea that designers who favor iOS criticize Android for being poorly designed just because it’s from an Apple competitor is nonsense — a bogeyman construct dreamed up by open source zealots who refuse to believe over a decade of evidence that open source UIs tend to be ugly, and that ugly UIs tend to be unpopular. We criticize Android for being poorly designed because it’s poorly designed. We favor iOS because it’s better designed. That’s it."
FIN!"
First, you may want to learn what a Troll is before calling someone such. I also never assumed someone thought a Mac was better. But many people seem to think because it's a Mac it's somehow COMPLETELY different from a PC when the hardware is almost exactly the same. Now if you were comparing how to make something work on Windows or OSX, that would be completely different. They're not even remotely the same. Or perhaps the much older PowerPC/G5 Macs, those are completely different architectures. If you're running a Windows Game, in Windows, on a Mac, you're playing a windows game on a PC. That PC is made for apple with special restrictions and such, like the TPM, to keep OSX predominately on their hardware and prevent a simple "throw the disc in" Windows install.
In the end, I don't care if you like Apple, dislike Apple, use it or not, the facts still stand, it's still a PC. If you're so adamant it's not and that it's a Mac, then maybe you DO feel you're special? I know I don't feel special with the hardware I have.
Right, OSX and Windows are two different beasts. I'm pretty sure, since the hardware is not x86 and such, that Apple only put in the ability to boot Windows for the people that wanted or needed it. It "seems" they have no real desire to improve the drivers and such to make it work better. For example, before with the video drivers, you can only use the ones apple provides, correct? It's actually not correct. Other companies do this, they change the Hardware ID of the GPU for example, so it's not recognized by the stock drivers. If you mod the inf file for those drivers to recognize that ID, they install and work fine. So of course it won't work as well as native OSX, Apple may not care, they may not put the same effort into bootcamp drivers, who knows, but it's still a PC. It's the same thing as an awesome video card in a PC, where the manufacturer won't write decent drivers for it.
It seems we agree with each other on many things. We all know that Macs are personal computers. The only thing I'm saying is for the sake and ease of conversation (and for the love of God) that Macs set themselves apart enough to be defined as a separate platform. Some ppl may use the terms "Windows vs OSX," but I think it's just easier to say "PC's vs Macs." So when a game like Battlefield 3 or SW:TOR comes out, there's a reason why the entirety of the gaming media industry announces its release on PC and Mac separately. Understand? Good.
I have a 13" i5 MBP bought new in early 2011 that has FFXIV installed to the Windows partition. It runs fine on medium settings. I bring it to work with me to play when there is nothing else to do.
Why is this thread 10 pages long and only about 3 people have answered his question? It's not even an interesting read.
I honestly don't care how people refer to it. My point is that a few people in this thread, and much more elsewhere, including real life, seem to be under the impression it's automatically completely different and they're a little special for having a Mac. Notice I said "seem" I don't claim they do, just that they seem to. Also most games I see that are playable on OSX, list OSX in the requirements lately. As an example from everyone's favorite MMO: http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/10/19/bl...-requirements/
They don't state you need a PC with Windows or a Mac with OSX, Just Windows version xx or OSX version xx
Again, they can call it what they want, as long as they accept what it is. Unless you're one of the people still using a PowerPC based Mac. Those are truly different.
I use a macbook, and using Bootcamp I can play all the lovely games I want.
If they do, they could try something like this. http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/run...g-windows.html
There's a smcfancontrol for windows its command prompt based but it works well. I'd link it but I can't on this phone. The program is essential as the fans don't turn on until the sensor overheats to some crazy amount.
No that's ignorant!
Awesome I'll direct my brother to the fan suppressor application. Thanks y'all!
Awesome ! !! !
I can't say I'm surprised, really, but then again I almost always expect the unexpected!
I've used Gentoo as my primary OS for a little over a year, and it was basically my first Linux distro I ever jumped into. I had only tried Ubuntu before, on a secondary machine but I didn't really know what to do with it. I had no knowledge of the command-line at all, and felt a little lost.
I don't know how I stumbled upon Gentoo. I just somehow did, and the way you only get a command-line in the start seemed interesting to me. Reminded me of Commodore 64 days and also of the time when I got my first PC and some DOS-diskettes... it was fun!
For those who have no idea of Gentoo, you basically get just a command-line interface to install the OS from, and even after you have installed it, you are in the CLI as the desktop is just another application, not a part of the OS, so you will have to build that as well from source-code. The thing I like is the sheer amount of customisation you can do with it. That said, obviously installing it teaches a lot already and maintaining it teaches even more so it's a good way to get to know Linux, I think. Of course there is 'Linux From Scratch' for those who want to really dig in deep, and there is an alternative called Arch Linux that is very similar to Gentoo, and so on...
Many people seem to think Windoze is the only way one can do true gaming. The truth is, however, that it is very much possible to play games with a Unix OS as well. Even the most latest games such as 'Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2' (okay not that new anymore but the newest I have tried right now). Obviously things made for Window$ do not run as well, or rather, they need more power and modern hardware is becoming more and more cheap and powerful as days go by, and the developers of Wine are working lots at making things run even better!
I apologise for the slight off-topic'ish story, but it's at least close to it! Comparing to Windoez, gaming on Linux and Mac have their similarities after all, I think, and thus I can say that no, you are not alone in this even though it might not be specifically about running playing XIV on a Mac.
It's only 3 pages for me.
But then again, I have 40 posts shown per page... hehe... hehehe...
What. <.<
I would really love to see this for 2.0, they have already talked about adding in some iOS and android apps for XIV. No real idea what those will do yet, but still.
A OSX Client wouldn't be too hard to pull off, after all there are tools that help the transition over, and while it's not the biggest market share, it's still a market share. I for one use both, and would love to have a XIV client running on OSX. I don't think they should do that now, but with the 2.0 client, it could be the perfect time. :)
I play on a Intelligent talking toaster from the future. The only draw backs is it overheats some times, and every time i get a party invite the damn thing pops out a lightly buttered English muffin which i wouldnt mind so much but the damn thing knows i like my English muffins with jam.
Why did you revive this thread? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Welcome to the club =)
I play on my iMac 27", one version old (with HD4850 instead of HD5750(?) as a graphic card), and I can run this game at full resolution (2560x1440) maintaining standard drawing quality, high background drawing, high shadows, high texture quality and standard texture filtering, and I can have some good 30-40 FPS which are decent.
Or else I just switch to 1920x1080 and add some Antialiasing to x4, and the game goes very good. Sure, if it had full Fullscreen support (included a way to keep the DirectX focused on the program even if focusing on the system) it could be better, but I'll stay like this.
Playing here is pretty great, considering that this computer is meant to be a working one for me, I'm kinda surprised =)
Why must people refer to non mac pcs as PCs? rather than their Maker Brand Name? (which is what Mac is)
For ex; Mac vs. Dell vs. Sony vs. Home Built vs. Alienware etc...
All of which are 'Personal Computers' capable of running any number of 'Operating Systems' which can then run FFXIV...
Speaking of which, How do the new Alienware Gaming Laptops hold up? Anyone using an M11x, Mx14x, M17x, or M18x? Specs on yours if you do?