Am I the only one who is playing this game on macbook (or Mac)?

Tell me why my standard ati. Mobile gpu is locked to bootcamp drivers. It is technically pc after all apple invented the PERSONAL COMPUTER

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Originally Posted by ispano

It IS a PC, the 2011 iMacs use Intel Sandy Bridge CPUs and ATI (Check This) MOBILE GPUs. That Mobile GPU is what's really hindering you with your performance. If they had made it a little bigger with a desktop GPU it would likely be much better.

Regardless, I will say it as much as needed, the hardware is all PC hardware. They stopped using proprietary PowerPC hardware many years ago.

I'm not telling you to buy anything to play this game. What you're using is honestly like my current laptop, but not quite. My Gaming laptop uses a Desktop CPU and Mobile GPUs, where your iMac also uses a Desktop CPU with a single Mobile GPU.

Again, ALL PC HARDWARE. That's why Windows is capable of running on it in the first place. Windows runs on x86/AMD64 hardware, Windows 8 supposedly allows it to run on ARM as well. Your Mac is PC hardware whether you like it or not.

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Originally Posted by ArdentMogui

Tell me why my standard ati. Mobile gpu is locked to bootcamp drivers. It is technically pc after all apple invented the PERSONAL COMPUTER

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Nice job with the Spam. Because Apple likes to control things, they set it up so you have to use the drivers they provide. Many notebook manufacturers do this as well, mine is in fact one of them. Try to use stock nVidia Drivers for the 480Ms in my notebook and it won't install.

Also, like i'm able to do with my notebook, you can get inf modded drivers to install in Windows on a Bootcamp'd Mac.

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

You're trying to win at an argument using technicalities. But in reality, if you marched up to Apple's headquarters and asked them if there was a difference between a Mac and a PC they would tell you a long list of differences (mainly because they purposely set themselves apart and have marketed themselves this way). So technically, you are correct. But the rest of the world knows the difference between the two so stop trying. This exists for a reason.

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Yet when you toss Windows on the machine to play games that only run under Windows, there's not a whole lot different from the machine compared to similarly built non Mac.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Yet when you toss Windows on the machine to play games that only run under Windows, there's not a whole lot different from the machine compared to similarly built non Mac.

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Wow... seriously you just floored me with that statement right there. You know what? You're completely right. What was I thinking calling them by different names. From now on I will always refer to both as PC's no matter how much confusion I stir up in future conversations. You are so awesome. Let's get married.

Why won't you get this through your thick skull nobody here is say Mac is better just don't fucking tell us you go through the same problems to configure your system to work with this game. You don't have a Mac so fuck off and let us talk amongst ourselves

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Originally Posted by ArdentMogui

Why won't you get this through your thick skull nobody here is say Mac is better just don't fucking tell us you go through the same problems to configure your system to work with this game. You don't have a Mac so fuck off and let us talk amongst ourselves

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You better quote somebody if you're going to tell them to fuck off.

My bad I'm attempting to post from a first Gen android phone. It is directed at the troll

In having a discussion with my brother (Maconnoisseur) about the Mac debates that seem to permeate throughout the entirety of the Internets. I'm trying to get him to play with me via his MacBook. Here's what he had to say via GTalk just now (since he'd like to post but can't):

"What you should explain to the trolls is that there's a big difference between the similarities of hardware components between the two platforms; the software, operating system and hardware/software design and integration. Yes, both Macs and PCs use the same types of components, but the software that's run on these components do very different things and have very different personalities. Steve Jobs invented the first personal computer in the 80s with the Apple II before computers took up the space of whole rooms, and were only used by budding computer scientists and nerds.

Jobs was anti-IBM, basically, and the only fucking reason people even use a "personal computer" (PC) is because of Steve Jobs. This is exactly the kind of "techie" pundit that I loathe. They don't see the forest for the trees. They over-focus on spec sheets and components and how they're overpriced on the mac. It's NOT ABOUT THE COMPONENTS. The reason Macs are priced at a premium is because they work very well. Period.

A good engineer can put together a hardware bundle that works fluidly with its OS; a bad engineer can use the same components and make a lemon like dad's HP desktop. On paper, it rocked. but when he used it, it was shit. Why? Poor design. It was designed to fail.

The Mac has always been behind when it comes to gaming. And it isn't due to a shortage of powerful hardware ... but the lack of software clients and developer support. The hardware is there. But if iOS has proven anything, it's that gaming can be awesome on a Mac through Steam and the Mac App Store, end-users are slowly realizing that gaming on a Mac has a future. The more support they get from devs, the better.

Also, running Windows through Bootcamp is not the same as running Windows through a PC that's meant for Windows. I've tried Bootcamp, and whenever I use it, it overheats my Mac and strange bugs appear in OSX when I switch back. That's why I stopped running XP on it. I also tried Parallels, which sucked even more but the latter is virtualization, not the actual Windows OS.

Either way, the native experience is usually better. I hate it when techies compare their PC spec sheets with Mac spec sheets, calculate the math in lieu of the sum of each platform's components, and conclude that since the Mac is so much more expensive, that all Mac users are buying into a reality distortion field where they think they have a better computer, based on hype. Apple is doing well because their products "just work" 99.9% of the time whereas the PC market is fragmented and comprised of open-source zealots and hobbyists that are spec-addicts.

It's similar to iOS vs. Android, where John Gruber says it best:

"This idea that designers who favor iOS criticize Android for being poorly designed just because it’s from an Apple competitor is nonsense — a bogeyman construct dreamed up by open source zealots who refuse to believe over a decade of evidence that open source UIs tend to be ugly, and that ugly UIs tend to be unpopular. We criticize Android for being poorly designed because it’s poorly designed. We favor iOS because it’s better designed. That’s it."

FIN!"

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Originally Posted by ArdentMogui

Why won't you get this through your thick skull nobody here is say Mac is better just don't fucking tell us you go through the same problems to configure your system to work with this game. You don't have a Mac so fuck off and let us talk amongst ourselves

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First, you may want to learn what a Troll is before calling someone such. I also never assumed someone thought a Mac was better. But many people seem to think because it's a Mac it's somehow COMPLETELY different from a PC when the hardware is almost exactly the same. Now if you were comparing how to make something work on Windows or OSX, that would be completely different. They're not even remotely the same. Or perhaps the much older PowerPC/G5 Macs, those are completely different architectures. If you're running a Windows Game, in Windows, on a Mac, you're playing a windows game on a PC. That PC is made for apple with special restrictions and such, like the TPM, to keep OSX predominately on their hardware and prevent a simple "throw the disc in" Windows install.

In the end, I don't care if you like Apple, dislike Apple, use it or not, the facts still stand, it's still a PC. If you're so adamant it's not and that it's a Mac, then maybe you DO feel you're special? I know I don't feel special with the hardware I have.

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

In having a discussion with my brother (Maconnoisseur) about the Mac debates that seem to permeate throughout the entirety of the Internets. I'm trying to get him to play with me via his MacBook. Here's what he had to say via GTalk just now (since he'd like to post but can't):

"What you should explain to the trolls is that there's a big difference between the similarities of hardware components between the two platforms; the software, operating system and hardware/software design and integration. Yes, both Macs and PCs use the same types of components, but the software that's run on these components do very different things and have very different personalities. Steve Jobs invented the first personal computer in the 80s with the Apple II before computers took up the space of whole rooms, and were only used by budding computer scientists and nerds.

Jobs was anti-IBM, basically, and the only fucking reason people even use a "personal computer" (PC) is because of Steve Jobs. This is exactly the kind of "techie" pundit that I loathe. They don't see the forest for the trees. They over-focus on spec sheets and components and how they're overpriced on the mac. It's NOT ABOUT THE COMPONENTS. The reason Macs are priced at a premium is because they work very well. Period.

A good engineer can put together a hardware bundle that works fluidly with its OS; a bad engineer can use the same components and make a lemon like dad's HP desktop. On paper, it rocked. but when he used it, it was shit. Why? Poor design. It was designed to fail.

The Mac has always been behind when it comes to gaming. And it isn't due to a shortage of powerful hardware ... but the lack of software clients and developer support. The hardware is there. But if iOS has proven anything, it's that gaming can be awesome on a Mac through Steam and the Mac App Store, end-users are slowly realizing that gaming on a Mac has a future. The more support they get from devs, the better.

Also, running Windows through Bootcamp is not the same as running Windows through a PC that's meant for Windows. I've tried Bootcamp, and whenever I use it, it overheats my Mac and strange bugs appear in OSX when I switch back. That's why I stopped running XP on it. I also tried Parallels, which sucked even more
but the latter is virtualization, not the actual Windows OS.

Either way, the native experience is usually better. I hate it when techies compare their PC spec sheets with Mac spec sheets, calculate the math in lieu of the sum of each platform's components, and conclude that since the Mac is so much more expensive, that all Mac users are buying into a reality distortion field where they think they have a better computer, based on hype. Apple is doing well because their products "just work" 99.9% of the time whereas the PC market is fragmented and comprised of open-source zealots and hobbyists that are spec-addicts.

It's similar to iOS vs. Android, where John Gruber says it best:

"This idea that designers who favor iOS criticize Android for being poorly designed just because it’s from an Apple competitor is nonsense — a bogeyman construct dreamed up by open source zealots who refuse to believe over a decade of evidence that open source UIs tend to be ugly, and that ugly UIs tend to be unpopular. We criticize Android for being poorly designed because it’s poorly designed. We favor iOS because it’s better designed. That’s it."

FIN!"

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Right, OSX and Windows are two different beasts. I'm pretty sure, since the hardware is not x86 and such, that Apple only put in the ability to boot Windows for the people that wanted or needed it. It "seems" they have no real desire to improve the drivers and such to make it work better. For example, before with the video drivers, you can only use the ones apple provides, correct? It's actually not correct. Other companies do this, they change the Hardware ID of the GPU for example, so it's not recognized by the stock drivers. If you mod the inf file for those drivers to recognize that ID, they install and work fine. So of course it won't work as well as native OSX, Apple may not care, they may not put the same effort into bootcamp drivers, who knows, but it's still a PC. It's the same thing as an awesome video card in a PC, where the manufacturer won't write decent drivers for it.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Right, OSX and Windows are two different beasts. I'm pretty sure, since the hardware is not x86 and such, that Apple only put in the ability to boot Windows for the people that wanted or needed it. It "seems" they have no real desire to improve the drivers and such to make it work better. For example, before with the video drivers, you can only use the ones apple provides, correct? It's actually not correct. Other companies do this, they change the Hardware ID of the GPU for example, so it's not recognized by the stock drivers. If you mod the inf file for those drivers to recognize that ID, they install and work fine. So of course it won't work as well as native OSX, Apple may not care, they may not put the same effort into bootcamp drivers, who knows, but it's still a PC. It's the same thing as an awesome video card in a PC, where the manufacturer won't write decent drivers for it.

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It seems we agree with each other on many things. We all know that Macs are personal computers. The only thing I'm saying is for the sake and ease of conversation (and for the love of God) that Macs set themselves apart enough to be defined as a separate platform. Some ppl may use the terms "Windows vs OSX," but I think it's just easier to say "PC's vs Macs." So when a game like Battlefield 3 or SW:TOR comes out, there's a reason why the entirety of the gaming media industry announces its release on PC and Mac separately. Understand? Good.

I have a 13" i5 MBP bought new in early 2011 that has FFXIV installed to the Windows partition. It runs fine on medium settings. I bring it to work with me to play when there is nothing else to do.

Why is this thread 10 pages long and only about 3 people have answered his question? It's not even an interesting read.

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

It seems we agree with each other on many things. We all know that Macs are personal computers. The only thing I'm saying is for the sake and ease of conversation (and for the love of God) that Macs set themselves apart enough to be defined as a separate platform. Some ppl may use the terms "Windows vs OSX," but I think it's just easier to say "PC's vs Macs." So when a game like Battlefield 3 or SW:TOR comes out, there's a reason why the entirety of the gaming media industry announces its release on PC and Mac separately. Understand? Good.

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I honestly don't care how people refer to it. My point is that a few people in this thread, and much more elsewhere, including real life, seem to be under the impression it's automatically completely different and they're a little special for having a Mac. Notice I said "seem" I don't claim they do, just that they seem to. Also most games I see that are playable on OSX, list OSX in the requirements lately. As an example from everyone's favorite MMO: http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/10/19/bl...-requirements/

They don't state you need a PC with Windows or a Mac with OSX, Just Windows version xx or OSX version xx

Again, they can call it what they want, as long as they accept what it is. Unless you're one of the people still using a PowerPC based Mac. Those are truly different.

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Originally Posted by Answa

Why is this thread 10 pages long and only about 3 people have answered his question? It's not even an interesting read.

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I'm sorry sir... how can I better entertain you?

We are definitely off track though. I was originally interested in this thread because my brother owns a Mac and was hoping ppl would share optimal methods of running FFXIV on their Macs so's to share them with him.

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Originally Posted by miqokini

I have a 13" i5 MBP bought new in early 2011 that has FFXIV installed to the Windows partition. It runs fine on medium settings. I bring it to work with me to play when there is nothing else to do.

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Question: Do you have any problems with overheating?

I use a macbook, and using Bootcamp I can play all the lovely games I want.

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

Question: Do you have any problems with overheating?

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If they do, they could try something like this. http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/run...g-windows.html

There's a smcfancontrol for windows its command prompt based but it works well. I'd link it but I can't on this phone. The program is essential as the fans don't turn on until the sensor overheats to some crazy amount.

No that's ignorant!

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Originally Posted by Doctor

I am just curious to know how many of you players have macs instead of PC and are playing this game on a mac.

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Seems you started a war by putting "Mac" and "PC" in the same sentence. Community never grows up.

Awesome I'll direct my brother to the fan suppressor application. Thanks y'all!

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Originally Posted by ispano

Oooh, fellow Gentoo user. I only use it on my Gateway and non-gaming laptop at the moment however.

<3 Gentoo

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Originally Posted by Antipika

Wow I am surprised to find another Gentoo user on these forums oO Last place I would expect to find one

Edit : wow 2 users now

Gentoo chain #2.

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Awesome ! !! !

I can't say I'm surprised, really, but then again I almost always expect the unexpected!
I've used Gentoo as my primary OS for a little over a year, and it was basically my first Linux distro I ever jumped into. I had only tried Ubuntu before, on a secondary machine but I didn't really know what to do with it. I had no knowledge of the command-line at all, and felt a little lost.

I don't know how I stumbled upon Gentoo. I just somehow did, and the way you only get a command-line in the start seemed interesting to me. Reminded me of Commodore 64 days and also of the time when I got my first PC and some DOS-diskettes... it was fun!

For those who have no idea of Gentoo, you basically get just a command-line interface to install the OS from, and even after you have installed it, you are in the CLI as the desktop is just another application, not a part of the OS, so you will have to build that as well from source-code. The thing I like is the sheer amount of customisation you can do with it. That said, obviously installing it teaches a lot already and maintaining it teaches even more so it's a good way to get to know Linux, I think. Of course there is 'Linux From Scratch' for those who want to really dig in deep, and there is an alternative called Arch Linux that is very similar to Gentoo, and so on...

Many people seem to think Windoze is the only way one can do true gaming. The truth is, however, that it is very much possible to play games with a Unix OS as well. Even the most latest games such as 'Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2' (okay not that new anymore but the newest I have tried right now). Obviously things made for Window$ do not run as well, or rather, they need more power and modern hardware is becoming more and more cheap and powerful as days go by, and the developers of Wine are working lots at making things run even better!


I apologise for the slight off-topic'ish story, but it's at least close to it! Comparing to Windoez, gaming on Linux and Mac have their similarities after all, I think, and thus I can say that no, you are not alone in this even though it might not be specifically about running playing XIV on a Mac.

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Originally Posted by Answa

Why is this thread 10 pages long

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It's only 3 pages for me.
But then again, I have 40 posts shown per page... hehe... hehehe...
What. <.<

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Originally Posted by ispano

Sure an OSX client is possible, IF SE wants to write one up for a Unix based OS. Most companies however don't do this, because the market is much larger on Windows. ie it's not a PC client or Mac Client, it's Windows or OSX.

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you realize, that SE dont need to write hole different code for UNIX but only pack it in a package no ?

I would really love to see this for 2.0, they have already talked about adding in some iOS and android apps for XIV. No real idea what those will do yet, but still.

A OSX Client wouldn't be too hard to pull off, after all there are tools that help the transition over, and while it's not the biggest market share, it's still a market share. I for one use both, and would love to have a XIV client running on OSX. I don't think they should do that now, but with the 2.0 client, it could be the perfect time. :)

I play on a Intelligent talking toaster from the future. The only draw backs is it overheats some times, and every time i get a party invite the damn thing pops out a lightly buttered English muffin which i wouldnt mind so much but the damn thing knows i like my English muffins with jam.

Why did you revive this thread? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

/comfort...

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Indeed me, indeed.

Welcome to the club =)

I play on my iMac 27", one version old (with HD4850 instead of HD5750(?) as a graphic card), and I can run this game at full resolution (2560x1440) maintaining standard drawing quality, high background drawing, high shadows, high texture quality and standard texture filtering, and I can have some good 30-40 FPS which are decent.
Or else I just switch to 1920x1080 and add some Antialiasing to x4, and the game goes very good. Sure, if it had full Fullscreen support (included a way to keep the DirectX focused on the program even if focusing on the system) it could be better, but I'll stay like this.
Playing here is pretty great, considering that this computer is meant to be a working one for me, I'm kinda surprised =)

Why must people refer to non mac pcs as PCs? rather than their Maker Brand Name? (which is what Mac is)

For ex; Mac vs. Dell vs. Sony vs. Home Built vs. Alienware etc...

All of which are 'Personal Computers' capable of running any number of 'Operating Systems' which can then run FFXIV...

Speaking of which, How do the new Alienware Gaming Laptops hold up? Anyone using an M11x, Mx14x, M17x, or M18x? Specs on yours if you do?