Job Alignment Chart

Who is running the next D&D FF game and how can I get in?

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Originally Posted by Bead

Who is running the next D&D FF game and how can I get in?

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RNGesus is directing it. Toriyama is pushing for it to be a FF13 spin off with a lightning vs yuna karaoke face off for the last boss fight judged by the all male boy band "Noctis and his Boyz".

Well this idea goes flying right out the window when in regards to the Warrior of light. No matter what job he/she takes up they are always ALWAYS Lawful dumb/ Stupid good.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

Well this idea goes flying right out the window when in regards to the Warrior of light. No matter what job he/she takes up they are always ALWAYS Lawful dumb/ Stupid good.

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Alot of your actions are of questionable legality and they focus on whether or not the support of the city states in the face of beast tribes isn't just blatant imperialism, but hey we can't all have Bioware style morality of "would you like to" "Pet this puppy" or "Murder/rape these orphans" either way the story is far more complex than the simplicities of the allignment chart and has no interest in following it.

Can you really call any of the jobs evil...? We all do the same missions afterall, lol.

Dark Knight is the only job I would even say is borderline evil and even that may be pushing it after seeing the lore of it.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

Well this idea goes flying right out the window when in regards to the Warrior of light. No matter what job he/she takes up they are always ALWAYS Lawful dumb/ Stupid good.

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Well, the jobs themselves can't kind an alignment at all if you really want to take it there but to keep in spirit with the idea of the tread; the warrior of light is not the job itself.

Just because the warrior of light is a nice good guy black mage, doesn't mean that the essence of the class isn't pure destructive force. So much so the entirety of it's class quests is spent essentially fighting against it.

The summoner forcefully binds spirits to serve it, which I would count as evil as well, no matter what you do with them afterward.

I really like the idea of classifying jobs based on their alignment but... "This job has a huge DPs, so it's EVIIIIIIIL" ? Really, Guys ?

Evil is far more complicated than this, and BLM are not evil, to me... They're chaotic, yes, but they don't really care about the world. That doesn't make them evil, they're Just neutral, chaotic neutral... . I agree with DRK being lawful evil though, And although one could argue That some are chaotic good, but hey, let's say those don't exist and I think That WAR are the closer to Chaotic Evil, but I see NIN as True Neutral or Lawful Neutral, from the point of view of Eorzeans, as NIN care about Othard but help others when it is profitable for them...

I know, there's no Neutral Evil in my classification, but the thing with the alignment chart is That you can't always fill all the blanks...

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Originally Posted by Bead

Well, the jobs themselves can't kind an alignment at all if you really want to take it there but to keep in spirit with the idea of the tread; the warrior of light is not the job itself.

Just because the warrior of light is a nice good guy black mage, doesn't mean that the essence of the class isn't pure destructive force. So much so the entirety of it's class quests is spent essentially fighting against it.

The summoner forcefully binds spirits to serve it, which I would count as evil as well, no matter what you do with them afterward.

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These points tie together more than I think you realize. The power of the void (A BLM's power source) is incredibly dangerous even to someone in absolute control of it. Anything less than absolute control is as much a danger to one's self as it is to others. Same with the Egis. When you first invoke one you call out the essence of a primal from within you, and it immediately tries to kill you, and should one ever lose control over it after beating it the 1st time then it could presumably finish what it's Source Primal started and kill you. Thus why we use our Archanimic formulas to program it like we do Carbuncles. They are less powerful but far easier and safer to control.

(We do not use any of the original forms of the Job powers, we just take on what the job crystals tell us to the skill sets we've already learned from our class training)

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Originally Posted by Alexz

My views on job alignment (based on party roles and class description ideologies) The closer to the left indicates lawfulness whereas the closer to the right indicates Chaos. Thoughts?

http://i.imgur.com/o5anuXA.jpg

For use of Chaos, Evil, Good, and Lawful, read: http://www.easydamus.com/alignment.html

Reasoning in comments

EDIT: WHM and PLD flipped, MCH true neutral, BRD possibly Chaotic neutral.

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If dancer was a class what would it be?

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

If dancer was a class what would it be?

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Amazing, obviously.

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Originally Posted by Bead

Well, the jobs themselves can't kind an alignment at all if you really want to take it there but to keep in spirit with the idea of the tread; the warrior of light is not the job itself.

Just because the warrior of light is a nice good guy black mage, doesn't mean that the essence of the class isn't pure destructive force. So much so the entirety of it's class quests is spent essentially fighting against it.

The summoner forcefully binds spirits to serve it, which I would count as evil as well, no matter what you do with them afterward.

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Danger is not Evil. IS a storm evil? is electricity Evil? is a car? The fact that people who abuse black magic are evil is true.. but that is EQUALLY true of every other job. If you think potential for abuse is evil then they all are. Each and every job deals with those who might abuse its power on some level. The idea that Black magic is some how super evil when every DOW class is "I learn to use items to kill people" is a joke.

Also Egi aren't spirits, they are construct born of your will, Personal Primals.

Paladin/Crusader can be viewed as the most evil thing, from another standpoint. Just because the laws say that they're allowed to kill people of other countries/religions doesn't make them "good".

I find it more like the most evil and most stupid when they believe that they're justified to kill people because of religions.

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Originally Posted by Vandril

Amazing, obviously.

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Chaotic amazing? Amazing good?

Chaotic amazing good? O.O

Dark Knight is secretly more chaotic good than lawful good. The only reason, the single only reason they aren't lawful good is that they are willing to break the law to uphold the law. Beyond that, they're warriors who just happen to use dark magics fueled by their emotions, the most powerful wellspring of this magic being the feeling we call love.