Four bards would be pushing it.... No synergy and all of them already do less than other classes without outside buffs.
Four bards would be pushing it.... No synergy and all of them already do less than other classes without outside buffs.
Am I the only one who remembers that MCH and BRD's have abilities that decrease an enemy's resistance?
I have yet to find a group of people who believe that a BRD or MCH should not be in the group. Don't let a few ignorant groups be a representation of how the community as a whole feels about the two jobs.
I don't even have a DRG in my static and I can hit around 1k just fine on MCH.
I know a Bard who killed Faust Savage with his party, he was at 1170 DPS with NO DRG in the party, food (+27 crit/ acc)+ dex pot 60 HQ. And after what he said to me, The fight Vs. The oppressor is stressfull/very mana consuming for healers, at the point you won't do it without a mana song. So plz Git Gud and stop snip those jobs.
BRD and MCH are not obolete, and with a DRG they can do more than 1300 DPS on FAUST.
All I can say is Im glad I hung up my bow and switched over to Ninja, level 60 on it now and gradually gearing myself up.
World first had a BRD.. get real.
I wouldn't say MCH is in a terrible spot right now. They need some adjustments, sure, but they certainly aren't bad enough to justify not inviting them to statics.
That being said, simply because the best of the best of Statics like those that are world first doesn't prove a whole lot. If a Job is only good when played by 1% of all people who even play it, that's a very poorly designed class. While difficulty in class design is fun and rewarding, by my estimates I'm missing anywhere between 80-100 DPS on my MCH from a very very very slightly wrong OGCD weave rotation. There's a very steep fall off in effectiveness for MCHs that differentiates solid dps from abyssmal. And I think that fall off stands to be made a bit more gradual with some QoL adjustments, similar to the potency increase on the wrong-directional Skills they just added for DRG.
Mhm ofc it is tight dps check but as mch the only thing is for me is actully work out the rotation and i went from 800 to 920+ dps so yea not 1k yet but getting there need more work on it.
thats what i like savage it give me a challange for my class i play
World 1st A1 group has bard.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...UZc3U8jIkCZDvA
Now STFU.
You people may say that they aren't shunned now but just wait. The way Yoshi made BRD in 3.0 is going back to what BRD was in 1.23 and nobody wanted a BRD in the party for endgame stuff. And back then BRD had more support capabilities than they do now.
OP and everyone who agree with him are full of it. No one is excluding any of these classes, but I personally would exclude OP from my parties for reasons completely unrelated to whatever classes he does or doesn't play. Git gud, qq more, etc...
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Not this guy again. He was already proven wrong on this very topic lol. This troll is a hungry one...
Yes because TP regen and reduced magic resist to make your black mage do more damage definitely doesn't justify having a bard.
This is a stupid topic.
Savage is balanced for i190 and up. This, and 90% of all the other knee-jerk reactionist threads (DPS checks, VIT vs. STR tanks, nerf content that's been out a damn week) need to be deleted. It does nothing but contribute toward the whirling vortex of negativity on these forums. Make your own PF group and call it a day. Prepare to wipe anyway, unless you're in a pro-static. Otherswise, wait till gear and the playerbase's experience with the content makes up for any current, existing skill or mechanical deficit.
Don't forget MCH turret ability to make enemies take 10% more Physical Damage or 10% Magic Damage with Overcharge which will help a lot with a MNK, NIN, BRD and DRG in the group while also boosting the Tanks damage as well.
On another topic:
We all should just let this thread die already. The answer has already been said.
I just wanna bump this thread up to point out one point only. People always complain stuffs without giving it a time.
I remember saw a thread saying that "Nobody will like MCH/BRD in raid, because they do low dps" and this "tight dps check, they will not let MCH/BRD" join and "MCH/BRD are not better support than any other DPS classes who out damage them".
But in the end, nowadays nearly every party in the PF has special slot for MCH/BRD to join for their support ability.
Today our Party Finder PT has waited 1 hour long only to have BRD/MCH filled the last spot.
I had a good laugh today in Alexander turn 2 via DF. One of the dps said that the BRD (me) should get the bombs bc they are worthless o.O. He said, "BRDs are worthless compared to NINs utilities and DRGs utilities." I lol and "shrugged" it off and DID NOT get the bombs. So another dps grabbed the bombs and the same dps complained and cried that I didn't grab the bombs. 1/3 the way through the fight the WHM for some odd reason was at 3k MP so I sung a mp song till the WHM was back up to full mp. Then 2/3s of the way through I had to sing again for the whm. So yea I laughed at the end and said "yea BRDs are totally useless"
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Elysium just cleared AS3...with a BRD.
Seriously guys, this thread is a joke.
Yay now bards and machanist can join crafters/gathers at the top of the we dont give a f about you list