Petition Against Ifrit Weapon Designs

i wonder if anyone bothered to read the edit? xD

I'll preface this by saying that I'm actually a graphic designer, and I make my living from web design. Having said that, I don't think there's anything wrong with the design of these weapons. I understand that the OP believes that everything should follow a similar "theme". I don't think that should be the case either. The ifrit weapons all follow a specific motif. They're not meant to be normal everyday, realistic weapons. They're meant to be weapons created from a fire elemental beast that could more or less be consider a god. Something that's otherworldly and has the power of a primal inside of it. Sure there are other ways to depict that. But that doesn't make the way they've chosen any less viable.

Physic brings up some good points that shouldn't be overlooked. There should be different 'styles' among the different regions and nations in the game. If you think about the real world, western knights looked wildly different from samurai at around that period in history. I'm more than sure that a knight would consider samurai armor to be gaudy, ridiculous, and impractical, but he'd be sadly mistaken. The way the ifrit weapons look don't make them any less viable. They're weapons that look like they're designed to hurt someone. They don't at all look out of place in an environment where I'm shooting lightning from my hands. Even the bow, that people complain about not being light or agile enough, is fine the way it is as a weapon. If the different regions in the game world can have styles that are so different from one another, a magical beast made of elemental fire should be able to whip up something that looks a bit strange to your average joe.

Physic also pointed out that Garlean aesthetics are completely different from Eorzean. I would say that the difference is just as abrupt as what you see with the Ifrit Weapons and other weapons. Also, I can easily post many weapon models here from past final fantasies that look just as gaudy and weird than anything you could consider normal. Tidus from FFX had several weapons that even had water as a major component. As a matter of fact, many weapons that you could consider to be a "final" weapon in most final fantasy games have always been large, crystal, transparent, glowing things.

As a designer, I'm not sure it's logical to have a problem with the overall design of these weapons. At least not to the point where you think they're out of place. You can go out into nature right now and find some really crazy things. Flowers that don't look like your every day normal flower. Animals that look strange compared to their environment. I don't think it's a good idea to dismiss a design choice because it's different from what you're comfortable with. These weapons were obviously designed well. They obviously were made to fit a particular theme. I think your main issue is just that they glow and display properties of something that would be aligned with a fire element.

By the way, have you ever seen Steiner's Flame Saber from FFIX?
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...FlameSaber.png

That design choice feels a bit familiar, doesn't it?

Lightning's Omega Weapon gunblade from FFXIII. It doesn't glow, but this shape is nowhere near rooted in realism.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ega_Weapon.jpg

It wouldn't be hard for you to find many more examples of this.

I like how some of them look(Sword, Great Axe, Lance, Staff), dislike others (Wand, Bow, Fists.)

I'm fine with them existing in the game and glowing weapons in general and especially appreciate the "off when disengaged" bit, I would however like some of the other Avatar/Primals weapons/equipment, assuming they add battlefields for Leviathan/Ramuh/Shiva/Carbuncle/Fenrir/Garuda/Titan/Quazacotl/Siren/Pheonix/Bahamut/etc in the future to each be fitting to that Primal.

For example, most of Ifrit's weapons are "big and clunky"; I would expect Garuda's weapons to be more petite and toned down with a greenish yellow glow to them.

I don't understand this inconsistency talk. It's the first loot of the first primal fight. Of course there's nothing like it in game already, hence they stand out. :confused:

I really like the design. :)

Keep going, Yoshi and gang! Don't let the negativity get to you! :D

I think this upsets many of the same players who dislike a lot if the music in XIV as well and those who frequently compare it to XI.

XI had more orchestrated tracks and more appropriate armor designs than many other main title FINAL FANTASY titles. Many FINAL FANTASY titles had armor that didn't actually appear on your character or change the appearance and often characters were dressed in very unusual anime or other inspired outfits much of which wouldn't be considered armor for their settings. I'm not stating that this is a problem, this is just how it was.

XI on the other hand had many more types of "armors." Leather, Scale, Metal, Plate, Cloth, etc. With what little realism you can garner from a FINAL FANTASY title, XI had more typical medieval and low fantasy inpired duds and designs to match it's version of fantasy and old world architectures, world and lore.

XIV brought back composer Nobou Uematsu, and while there are orchestrated pieces, there are many pieces which use Electric Guitar and Synthesizer reminiscent of many PlayStation era FINAL FANTASY titles. I feel some want a game that has low/medium fantasy settings or designs and are worried that XIV might deviate too much into looking something like Sphera with a bunch of glowing football players running around jumping about.

These are possibilities. As it is now, the direction though personally doesn't really upset me. As the patches are released and our reactions and thoughts materialize I just hope they continue to listen and make decisions fairly and carefully to ensure that XI veterans, casual MMO players, hardcore MMO players and those new to the genre aren't ignored and pushed away from the product.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

This is so dumb. Like seriously? OMG I DONT LIKE THIS MUST START PETITION THREAD (which does nothing in the first place). So dumb.

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You took the words out of my mouth.

"OMG NOT REALISTIC ENOUGH"
"I DO WANT TO RIDE A CHICKEN AND KILL A GIANT DRAGON, BUT THE HELL WITH THOSE WEAPONS"

Be happy they are not more of the same. I welcome new designs in any form, no more boring plain-jane weapons/armor please.

Rofl.. This thread man...

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QEwAw&dur=270

Fool!

He's a game designer! He knows what hes talking about, how dare you mortals question his resolve!? His legend goes back to the twelfth century. Naturally these weapons are hideous! Fool! We should reject this game by not paying for it anymore! They should pay us! Fool!

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Originally Posted by Darkshade

I think this upsets many of the same players who dislike a lot if the music in XIV as well and those who frequently compare it to XI.

XI had more orchestrated tracks and more appropriate armor designs than many other main title FINAL FANTASY titles. Many FINAL FANTASY titles had armor that didn't actually appear on your character or change the appearance and often characters were dressed in very unusual anime or other inspired outfits much of which wouldn't be considered armor for their settings. I'm not stating that this is a problem, this is just how it was.

XI on the other hand had many more types of "armors." Leather, Scale, Metal, Plate, Cloth, etc. With what little realism you can garner from a FINAL FANTASY title, XI had more typical medieval and low fantasy inpired duds and designs to match it's version of fantasy and old world architectures, world and lore.

XIV brought back composer Nobou Uematsu, and while there are orchestrated pieces, there are many pieces which use Electric Guitar and Synthesizer reminiscent of many PlayStation era FINAL FANTASY titles. I feel some want a game that has low/medium fantasy settings or designs and are worried that XIV might deviate too much into looking something like Sphera with a bunch of glowing football players running around jumping about.

These are possibilities. As it is now, the direction though personally doesn't really upset me. As the patches are released and are reactions and thoughts materialize I just hope they continue to listen and make decisions fairly and carefully to ensure that XI vererans, casual MMO players, hardcore MMO players and those new to the genre aren't ignored and pushed away from the product.

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Let me say that I loved most aspects of XI, from the music to the armor and weapons designs, and most things between. It's my all-time favorite MMO, even though they wrecked it recently.

However, I'm also a fan of the current flow that XIV is picking up, and this is mostly because I'm a fan of the entire series.

The giant, unconventional but powerful looking weapons.
Impossibly intricate, dead-heavy/paper-thin armors.
Gigantic magical explosions and immortal deity figures that mortals can fight and overcome somehow.

All of these things make the FF series what it is, and even those of us(most at least) who would walk around with a badge proclaiming our love for XI will agree that this falls well into the fantasy realm. It's different in design, but the same in concept. It's how FF is and always will be, and the real fans of the series know this.

Those four or five people complaining aren't the entire XI to XIV community. True FF fans, no matter what the last FF game they played, could probably name several weapons from several different series that were impossibly cumbersome, but at the same time, ridiculously awesome. That's how I feel about the Ifrit weapons.

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Originally Posted by Chain

Be happy they are not more of the same. I welcome new designs in any form, no more boring plain-jane weapons/armor please.

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I agree with this.

New designs, especially ones that are based off of a freakin PRIMAL *should* stand out, be unique and badass, and have a sense of really strong power about them. (I think the only ones that are odd are the PUG and THM weapons, but I'm not about to complain against them)

This game needs more stuff like this!

I think that people have grown a little too power hungry with the forum if they can't even stand having a set of weapons they don't like in the game. Because every piece in every mmo should be liked by everyone? There will be pieces you don't like in w/e game you play get over it. Just sayin', nothing you said was bad (to OP) and it was respectful, but you can't go about trying to change everything people don't like about the game. Its still just a fraction of people. I hate my playstation move thm weapon, I'm not trying to petition against it. Its not a tyrannical dictatorship, but in no way should this forum be a democracy.

@ Op ........................................................ Q.Q much? lol :p

Really? A Thread to remove a weapon design? How dare SE give you options! If you don't like them don't get them. Make your own, equally powerful, HQ+3 materia weapon instead.

Thank you for all those are making thoughtful comments and carrying discussions on. The whole point to this thread was to push buttons and make conversation about the new designs. Like them or not. as I said in my edit, if I could change the thread title name I'd remove petition from it.

Keep discussions going. The thread is getting big enough for SE to see it.

By the way, I'm not the only person disliking for all of those who say there's only but a few us.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...no-we-won-t-go

with almost ~4000 views and ~200 replies it has only accumulated 15 likes.

Seems to me the majority like the weapons. I'm not really for or against them. I have my opinion of them, but I'm not gonna ask them to remove it! lol

I just hope they add different varieties in the future so that I can find the style I like the best as well. :)

I don't know if we can accurately base off whether people approve or disprove something based on frequency of click on a like button. I don't press those things, it's like facebook I avoid.

I dunno, I really don't want removal. Re-skin is more like it.

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Originally Posted by Xionraserei

I don't know if we can accurately base off whether people approve or disprove something based on frequency of click on a like button. I don't press those things, it's like facebook I avoid.

I dunno, I really don't want removal. Re-skin is more like it.

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When you say 're-skin' do you mean like rift/aion/guild wars 2 re-skin where you can have stats of one armor but looks of another? Cause thats a whole another thread and I think thats a great idea! Although most likely discussed before...

But certainly you don't mean the SE DEV to take the next 6 months to remodel these weapon skins, just to please you and some others who do not like them? Cause I think that might be a little over the top, even if I am also one of the people who does not like some of the armor designs. But I don't have to like them all. It's an MMO and its suppose to have choices and variety to suit all kinds of players.

After thinking about it longer, and having watched the video again, I'm even more excited about these designs.

I just don't get wanting the designs to be more like XI's themes.

Because Ifrit's Blade looked just like a Sapara which looked just like a Scimitar which looked just like a Mithran Scimitar, which looked just like a Tulwar, which looked just like a Combat Caster's Scimitar, which looked just like a Hanger, which looked just like a Leech Scimitar, which looked just like a Corsair's Scimitar, which looked just like a Sinfender, which looked just like a Sapara of Trials, which looked just like a Storm Tulwar, which looked just like a Mighty Talwar, which looked just like a Perdu Hanger and so on.

That list is the scimitar type blades. I think there were in total six different types of swords in XI, and they all looked exactly the same with each iteration. Even the coveted Joyeuse and Ridill were nothing more than blue versions of the same exact model obtainable in the first few levels of the game.

The only unique sword models were Dissector and Organics. Dissector was largely regarded as ugly. But I knew people who leveled jobs just to be able to equip the big, bulky Organics. Which, just like the XIV Ifrit sword, was just a heavily stylized version of the basic scimitar.

Even the Tizona -- the BLU Mythic weapon -- was a poorly and obviously reskinned version of the Sapara.

Heck, a lot of people pretended they macroed in an Optical Hat by equipping a Fungus Hat because they didn't want to get kicked from parties for not having time to get 16 people together long enough to get the one decent endgame piece for DD.

Same goes for bows. Longbow, Wurger, Royal Archer's Longbow, Hunter's Longbow, San d'Orian Bow, Power Bow, Great Bow, Battle Bow, Shikar Bow, War Bow, Eurytos' Bow, Loxley Bow, Sarnga, Selene's Bow, Imperial Bow, Cobra Bow, Martial Bow, Cerberus Bow, Dynamis Bow and Wolver Bow are all the same exact bow. A few are green or grey, but for most of a Ranger's career, their character pulled out the same model.

Even the relic bow, Yoichinoyumi, was nothing more than a red version of a level 30 bow, the Hamayumi.

Hand-to-hand weapons too. Monk's bulkier option were the Baghnakhs: Cat Baghnakhs. I won't list them all as Monk had mainly those, Cesti and Knuckles. But even XI had its H2H weapons that seemed impossible for the common wrist to support like Katars, Custodes, Tactical Magician Hooks, Birdbanes, Sainti and each of their carbon copies and reskins.

The sword from Ifrit's battle in XIV may resemble the Scimitar model in this game, but there's no mistaking it. When people see you run by, they'll know you've beaten Ifrit.

As I said in a previous post, they seem to have done these rewards tastefully. The glow is subtle and the bulkiness is justified. I'd expect Titans rewards to also be bulky -- though I anticipate armor from him given past iterations of the character and the element associated. Then the water, ice and wind primals' rewards to be smaller and more elegant.

Give us something cool to look forward to and someone complains about it.

[SIZE=7]When will it end!??!?![/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by Reika

Give us something cool to look forward to and someone complains about it.

[SIZE=7]When will it end!??!?![/SIZE]

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Nevah!

And using bigger font size doesn't make your complaint more impacting than other ones! =P

those weapon sux bad, it shows a lack of ingeniosity and inspiration

yeah this game is about fantasy, but its also about art

And if we don't any cool weapons after these ones, I'll know who to blame.

That's right.

OP... If my Shiva staff is a wooden stick, I'm coming after you.

worst thing about FFXIV.. people that make threads like these -_-;;

if you don't like it, don't use it. I'm sure you'll be able to make something with materia that would probably be better than the set-stat weapons you'll receive from Ifrit. Did we really need half naked cat women running around in bikinis? No, but that's what we got and I'd say THAT is more out of place than some godly looking weapons we get from a fire Primal that happen to light up like embers. I guess we should just say good bye to En- spells because the effect will more than likely look something like those weapons.

And if this isn't art, please design something yourself and send it to SE for consideration.

OP
don't judge a book by its cover. I'm sure when you actually have the weapon you'll fall in love with it.

i like the way the weapons look but i also play Monster Hunter

Just for future reference if you like someones idea or what they said you should press the like button, yoshi-p said they pretty much look at likes when they read through posts, and they do read the English forums. If they read through every post sometimes those against or for will post and sound like they have stronger opinions, but if they no likes Yoshi judges that as no one really agrees with them

As I said in the other thread
I don't see why people are freaking out. I mean, look at the stuff in the Artifacts gear picture. None of that stuff looks way over the top and chances are that gear will be the best of the best when it comes out..
OBVIOUSLY, FLASHY is NOT the direction they are going to go for all high level gear. It's possible that this is just the artistic direction for gear that is to be made from the physical bodies of the Primals (it emulates physical aspects of them) we are to combat, and everyone is going ape **** because they think EVERYTHING will be like that from here on out
Come on, let's not freak out about everything please. Thanks.

People can complain all they want about this but nobody cares. The ideas they have for how the game will look post ishgard will be more "fantasy" like. Just look at Garlean empire designs.

DEAL WITH IT! and no matter how you look at it FF design will always look better than anything out there.

For crying out loud give it a rest will you OP, I want to petition against fucking stupid threads like this.

I agree with that... This is final fantasy and they come out with Korean style weapon...
It's like Putting two different cartoon in one anime... Pokemon and hmmm Dumb and dumber
Or The Simpson and Naruto in the same anime...

Besides that the thaum weapon look like a flashing dildo while the Pug weapon look like 2 Nipple ring that are in fire. i have more to say about the other weapon design but lets just put it this way... The weapon design has nothing similar to any Final fantasy weapon design created in the past.

This is why the game is this s#!t and only a minimal group of trolls use this forum...anyone who express opposite opinion is bashed. He has the right of not liking those weapons AND the right to add a petition here for changing it. Being here means he bought the game and is active there so you guys should respect it.

I don't respect whiny colorblind babies

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Originally Posted by RegaDosei

I don't respect whiny colorblind babies

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colorblind? what? where do you get that my friend.

@Kyra, Contribute or leave please? SE needs to see this thread, if you oppose state your case and discuss. If your all discussed out, talk about other posts. Be mature about this.

RegaDosei i wouldn't call Garleans too fantasy. They are a mix of modern and midevil, absolutely beautiful judges. They add such a dimension to the game. Without them the game would be bland. Some people don't realize that Judges come from Invalice (Tactics and FFXII world) which is the world the game is set in. Its an offshoot. So with that in mind everything has to fit that universe primarily.

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I don't respect whiny colorblind babies

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I laughed.

I want all of you to step back for a second. Now breathe.
You idiots are whining about something that has not been implemented yet. You are complaining about a subtle glow much like that of the Lantern Shield.

You are throwing up in arms over one new weapon. Writing a petition even. OVER A WEAPON.
You people need to seriously give up this whining. Guess what, you are less than 1/8th of the player-base. Square-Enix is a multi-million dollar blue chip who does not care what you think about their hard work, you don't even pay to play. Even if this game tanked, S.E would make another game and you would buy it. Probably complain about it too.

You frightened off anyone who wanted to come here to talk about the game, with your stupid calls of TROLL! YOU RUINED MY GAME etc.

If you are one of these people, FOR SHAME. Seriously, take a week off and come back later on. If you want this game to be good you need to understand you people cannot be a part of its development.

Thank you.

You people have destroyed this community with your complaints and constant whining.

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You idiots are whining about something that has not been implemented yet.

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Why do we need the weapon implemented when the complaints are about the design (which we CAN SEE very clearly already)?

These forums exist for complaints. It is their primary purpose. For us to complain and SE to act on those complaints when they deem it necessary. Not some self-entitled forum police.

With no complaints, the forums would lose their purpose. Useless bandwidth that doesn't help anyone.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Why do we need the weapon implemented when the complaints are about the design (which we CAN SEE very clearly already)?

These forums exist for complaints. It is their primary purpose. For us to complain and SE to act on those complaints when they deem it necessary. Not some self-entitled forum police.

With no complaints, the forums would lose their purpose. Useless bandwidth that doesn't help anyone.

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You would think that when you come here. But thats what the FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS forum is for. This is for Items, synth and gathering. Or are the FF forums just a massive lets bitch about S.Es shitty games board?

In 5 months I have posted on here 20 times. Hardly forums police.

for your enjoyment, other uses of the Final Fantasy Forum.
NEW PLAYER HELP
COMMUNITY (lol, bet that's a nice place.)
FEEDBACK (this is where your annoying posts should stay)
CLASSES
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It's not just for your horrible complaints son.