Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

Forget all the math, button mash street figher style FTW!!

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Originally Posted by alphamax112

Still waiting for a guy with rocket science major to do research with math :p

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The math is pretty simple if you don't factor in DoTs. Just figure out how the procs can go, figure out average DPS casting fire immediately after blizzard 4 and average DPS if you wait before casting it, find out the odds and go.

It's when you throw in DoTs and thunderclap procs that the math gets "fun". Otherwise you can basically use the old potency formula (since we're hoping the ratios stay about the same) and go Potency(WD,Int,Det)*(1+CritBonus(Crit)*CritRate(Crit))/GCD(Spellspeed) as a short term fix-me-up. Won't approximate DPS or give you actual stat weights in terms of DPS, but it'd give you weights relative to each other which would be enough for comparing gear.

Here's something I threw together. You might need to download it and use Excel.

Ratios aren't the same. Check SimFF thread and Kenjis latest post for a roughly working BLM model.

So I've just installed the MP Tick ACT plugin, such a cool idea, I'm wondering,

http://i.imgur.com/dV7URRA.png

Aren't the 2 colored buttons used to change the bar's color? If so, why aren't they working? If not, what are they actually for?

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Originally Posted by Garash

So I've just installed the MP Tick ACT plugin, such a cool idea, I'm wondering,

http://i.imgur.com/dV7URRA.png

Aren't the 2 colored buttons used to change the bar's color? If so, why aren't they working? If not, what are they actually for?

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Just saying, be careful about what you post on OF, you are getting information you shouldn't get with this plugin (server mp ticks) I don't think they care about parses but I'm not sure how SE would react if a player get information about mana ticks ;3

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

Mmm... BS. in Electromechanical Engineering w/ a concentration in Biomedical Engineering
MS. in Mechanical Engineering w/ a concentration in Design and Controls Theory

Good nuff? =)

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Good nuff xD

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Originally Posted by Garash

So I've just installed the MP Tick ACT plugin, such a cool idea, I'm wondering,

http://i.imgur.com/dV7URRA.png

Aren't the 2 colored buttons used to change the bar's color? If so, why aren't they working? If not, what are they actually for?

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We don't know what will happen to u if SE finds out their MP tick formula leaked out ;)

Personally I still like this rotation:
QS before pull > precast B3 > Ley Lines > T1 > Sharp > F3 > Enochian+RS > F1 > Pot > F4 x3 > F3(proc) > Convert > F4 x3 > B3 > B4
Extra Thunder DoT on the opener and no waiting for a mana tick, if you get a long mana tick, you can squeeze in T1 after B4 too.

You all should know ticks are every 3 seconds.

You can manually track mp ticks if you sprint and stalk your TP ticks.

So.... I did A4 with Voiced Foe, RS, Pot, TA, Extended Empowered Balance, Selene opener and I bursted for 4.2k-4.3k DPS single target lol. The true hero is the Ninja that gave me Smokescreen. I did 2 F4 Crit for almost 12k each.

:< I do believe if you have an AST that Balance is best invested on a BLM since we have the highest burst opener.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

So.... I did A4 with Voiced Foe, RS, Pot, TA, Extended Empowered Balance, Selene opener and I bursted for 4.2k-4.3k DPS single target lol. The true hero is the Ninja that gave me Smokescreen. I did 2 F4 Crit for almost 12k each.

:< I do believe if you have an AST that Balance is best invested on a BLM since we have the highest burst opener.

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I agree, Arrow and Balance should go on a Foe'd BLM. That said, with a MCH instead of a BRD, I believe that honor goes to DRG (maybe not the Arrow part, but the Balance part).

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So I am currently leveling BLM as my alt. Is it worth it to use at 60? I know mobility and loosing the Fire 4 and Blizzard 4 is a problem atm, but I figure they'll fix that eventually.

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

So I am currently leveling BLM as my alt. Is it worth it to use at 60? I know mobility and loosing the Fire 4 and Blizzard 4 is a problem atm, but I figure they'll fix that eventually.

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The short answer is: yes, it is definitely worth it.

Longer answer: some fights are better than others but overall I feel BLM is in a really nice spot currently. There's small things you need to get used to and figure out that 2.x's BLM just didn't have to worry as much about, but BLM has come away from the big changes each job saw in Heavensward smelling like roses.

As someone who's mained BLM since Beta 4, I can say it was easy to pick up. Definitely much more intensive process as far as figuring out fights but that has only made it more rewarding for me.

YAY A BETA PLAYER. I dont feel lonely anymore.

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Originally Posted by Prettylush

Grandmaster of Magic here. Rank #1 Magician and Wizard. Offering lessons for a discounted price atm.

Some of my students include:

Haruherahiroharuko Huro
Leroy Jenkins
Aikaal Llama

pm me in game for pricing info.

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Oh Lala please. Everyone knows I amThe One BLM. You are all my disciples.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

So.... I did A4 with Voiced Foe, RS, Pot, TA, Extended Empowered Balance, Selene opener and I bursted for 4.2k-4.3k DPS single target lol. The true hero is the Ninja that gave me Smokescreen. I did 2 F4 Crit for almost 12k each.

:< I do believe if you have an AST that Balance is best invested on a BLM since we have the highest burst opener.

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I once ran into you in Vault while we were both 58. Am I famous now?

That sweet super Arrow, Ley Lines, etc.; I dropped to 1.67 GCD once. It makes our MT complain how he has to use more Halones to keep up. Then 30 seconds later you randomly get Ewer and start wondering what to do with all this mana.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

YAY A BETA PLAYER. I dont feel lonely anymore.

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Them Archers in Beta 1 and their Far Shot. Or was it Snipe Shot? Whatever. All that sliding, too.

I do have to confess that I started as a SCH, as I've pretty much been a career healer, but somehow I got delegated to the BLM role down the line.

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Originally Posted by Prettylush

Grandmaster of Magic here. Rank #1 Magician and Wizard. Offering lessons for a discounted price atm.

Some of my students include:

Haruherahiroharuko Huro
Leroy Jenkins
Aikaal Llama

pm me in game for pricing info.

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<3 you Cellar :D

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Originally Posted by Waliel

I once ran into you in Vault while we were both 58. Am I famous now?

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Imagine the people that get Mr Happy in their Duty Finders :p He's pretty much just a normal guy.

1160 on A4, no AST. That's about 100 higher than my highest SMN A4 run :/ Getting quarantine as SMN is way worse than BLM.


Ah well, SMN is still better on A1 & 2.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

1160 on A4, no AST. That's about 100 higher than my highest SMN A4 run :/ Getting quarantine as SMN is way worse than BLM.


Ah well, SMN is still better on A1 & 2.

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Noice, did you use food and/or int-pots?
Also how long was the run?

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Originally Posted by Garash

Noice, did you use food and/or int-pots?
Also how long was the run?

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Of course I used both. Run was 4:30 minutes.

I think quarantine takes a dump on whoever gets its to be honest. Such a fun trip of doing balls for dps... that tunnel ride feels soooo long

The feel when you get sent to quarantine in AF with 2000 mana, and the tank is half dead before you get your first real spell out.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

1160 on A4, no AST. That's about 100 higher than my highest SMN A4 run :/ Getting quarantine as SMN is way worse than BLM.


Ah well, SMN is still better on A1 & 2.

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Not to mention multidotting as a SMN in A4 doesn't provide any gain since the second leg heals to full HP.

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Originally Posted by Hontaro

Personally I still like this rotation:
QS before pull > precast B3 > Ley Lines > T1 > Sharp > F3 > Enochian+RS > F1 > Pot > F4 x3 > F3(proc) > Convert > F4 x3 > B3 > B4
Extra Thunder DoT on the opener and no waiting for a mana tick, if you get a long mana tick, you can squeeze in T1 after B4 too.

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I can only pull off this rotation solo on a dummy. I cannot pull off OPs opener on my own as im guessing im short on the piety (260). Am I mistaken? Also OP why do you suggest fire 2 till low mp, then flare? I used to do that until I thought I realized blm aoe rotation is more about maximising flares along with transpose cd ( ie fire 3, fire 2, flare, transpose repeat unless swiftcast and convert are off cd) basically anytime transpose is off cd and your not casting flare arent you wasting time?

I just tested it, and F3 - 2xF2 - Flare is about 10% better than F3 - F2 - Flare against three targets; the gap would just grow larger with more targets. The thing with one F2 is that you're spending more of your time doing nothing compared to 2xF2.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

I just tested it, and F3 - 2xF2 - Flare is about 10% better than F3 - F2 - Flare against three targets; the gap would just grow larger with more targets. The thing with one F2 is that you're spending more of your time doing nothing compared to 2xF2.

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Ok that makes sense. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Happosai

I can only pull off this rotation solo on a dummy. I cannot pull off OPs opener on my own as im guessing im short on the piety (260). Am I mistaken?

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Yeah, I couldn't do that opener on my own too, it depends on how much PIE your race gives you.
It might be a big issues at times if you don't have the PIE buff in your party because your healer is a WHM in 4mans, or you get stuck with WHM&WHM in 8 mans
For that reason, instead of race changing, I removed one INT point and put it in PIE. That was enough for me, you might need more than one.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

I just tested it, and F3 - 2xF2 - Flare is about 10% better than F3 - F2 - Flare against three targets; the gap would just grow larger with more targets. The thing with one F2 is that you're spending more of your time doing nothing compared to 2xF2.

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Yeah, having to wait for tick if you don't transpose at the right time(the exact moment Flare lifts off) has you sitting there looking stupid while not doing much DPS with just one F2.

Hello, Haruherahiroharuko Huro disciple of grandmaster of magic cellardoor here. I am here to leak out the secret technology that has been past down for generations, that recently with the new changes also been updated by none other than cellar himself. Everytime you get a TC proc you just go into b3, tc, b4, f3 and continue ur rotation. If you wish to learn more secret techs PM cellardoor @ gilgamesh for pricing.

My quarantine experience last night oh you just popped enochian ley lines and raging strike you must want to go to quarantine then -.-

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Originally Posted by OlyverW

My quarantine experience last night oh you just popped enochian ley lines and raging strike you must want to go to quarantine then -.-

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Quarantine isnt too bad when you just poped enochian. Its the worst when you are either
1) in astral fire with 1k mana left
2) mid casting blizzard 4 trying to refresh enochian, causing it to expire

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Originally Posted by hallena

Quarantine isnt too bad when you just poped enochian.

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True but it kinda wasted the other 2 in transit to quarantine

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Originally Posted by SaucepanKaoz

Hello, Haruherahiroharuko Huro disciple of grandmaster of magic cellardoor here. I am here to leak out the secret technology that has been past down for generations, that recently with the new changes also been updated by none other than cellar himself. Everytime you get a TC proc you just go into b3, tc, b4, f3 and continue ur rotation. If you wish to learn more secret techs PM cellardoor @ gilgamesh for pricing.

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I'm just checking, is this some troll thing you've got going on? You certainly can't actually believe that's how you should handle TC procs ... right?

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

I'm just checking, is this some troll thing you've got going on? You certainly can't actually believe that's how you should handle TC procs ... right?

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Pretty sure it was a joke post.

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Originally Posted by SaucepanKaoz

Hello, Haruherahiroharuko Huro disciple of grandmaster of magic cellardoor here. I am here to leak out the secret technology that has been past down for generations, that recently with the new changes also been updated by none other than cellar himself. Everytime you get a TC proc you just go into b3, tc, b4, f3 and continue ur rotation. If you wish to learn more secret techs PM cellardoor @ gilgamesh for pricing.

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Looks like you guys were given a freebie this time. Please no more leaks.

Thundercloud: Chance to activate the effect of thundercloud has been increased to 10%.

Damage over time potency increased from 35 to 40.

Potency when triggering Thundercloud III has been increased from 340 to 390.


Enochian: Reusing the action while under the effect of Enochian will reset the timer to 30 seconds.


Gordian Staff: 102 crit 71 SSPD.

I'm curious as to what this even fix, we dont use thunder because we dont have the time after the first refresh

Tell me Thundercloud is off the GCD and in no way interferes with our Enochian rotations. Please, tell me. It has to be. They left that out, right? They wouldn't just buff the crap out of the thunder line and then leave out the vital component necessary to make use of it in the rotation the entire class was designed to operate around, would they?

Unless they were trying to buff our damage in situations where we let Enochian fall off...

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Originally Posted by Yeldir

Unless they were trying to buff our damage in situations where we let Enochian fall off...

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I am betting that's what they were going for sadly(I don't agree with it). Guess we will have to see after maint is over.

slight damage increase when some mechanic trolled your Enochian away. I wish it was offgcd